Has The Defense Changed Your Mind About ICA's Guilt?

[Trapshooter]

I could not bring myself to sign on today. I am surprised at how much stress I had been feeling-it's like it all caught up with me. I did watch a live stream of today. I sat with an ice pack on my head and a heating pad on my back. I am sharing because this is "just a case" I am following or so I thought-but today I realized how much this has effected me.

I can relate to others who have expressed the same. And I wonder how HHJP and the State are feeling? I do not know how they do this for a living. :dunno: Bless them for being able to... :takeabow:

The defense everyday solidifies my belief that Casey is guilty. Today, I was left thinking that even if Caylee died on June 16th the way Jose says she did drown in the pool-Casey was still at Blockbuster with Tony that evening renting movies. And stayed in Tony's bed all the next day as he did not go to class.

I found it infinitely interesting the jury gave notices to HHJP, they are requesting to "work" on memorial day. :winko:

Thank you to everyone who posted during the trial. :bow: I for one, am ready for this to be over. ~Bless Caylee Marie~

:twocents:

Chiquita bless your heart, I know exactly how you feel. I did sign on a couple of times today but only posted once.

During the opening statements, my emotions were a roller coaster ride. After the trial recessed for the day, I felt emotionally, mentally and physically drained. I was having a small panic attack and took some meds for that but I could barely function with all this "defense BS" on my mind. I literally felt sick to my stomach, my chest was hurting and my heart was racing. I'm like you dear friend, I am ready for this to be over! :blowkiss:

 

[RavenTrue]

I have not been able to sleep because of this darn defense theory (6.45 am here in Finland). It`s too much and I feel like I don`t have energy to think about all it`s details.

Anyway, here`s some "problems" with the defense scenario.

-When Caylee accidentally drowns GA claims ICA will be in prison for neglect and her mom will be mad. Yet he thinks they should hide the body but obviously not too well cause a meter reader finds it. George puts duct tape on Caylee to "implicate Casey", you think that + not calling LE + hiding the body may lead to bigger trouble than an accidental drowning? Makes absolutely no sense for GA to suggest and do this!

-What did George and Casey think Casey was supposed to do after the body was hidden- stay out of the house (out of Cindys sight) and claim to everyone that Caylee was with the imaginanny for God knows how long??? This while the body can be found, time of death can be determined and prove she was lying, prove "nanny" had nothing to do with it, doesn`t even exist?

How is this in any way better for Casey/George than a darn accident???


-The reason the defense had to drag George and Kronk into this is to explain/discredit the murderous duct tape I believe. That Casey did not put it there, that the body was tampered with, poor investigation etc. But there is really no reason for George or Kronk to put the duct tape on Caylee.

- How the heck does the defense know that Kronk took the body, was looking for a reward etc. where`s that "info" coming from, where`s the evidence?

-Also the state has to stipulate the fact that Casey is and has been a habitual, some might say diabolical liar before and after what happened to Caylee, her lies are much more than "pretending like it`s ok" and she doesn`t even pretend it`s ok but talks about (or comes up with) family problems. She does pretend that her character is ok- has a job etc. while living off of other peoples money.

It`s SCARY that some believe the defense.

The MOST cockamamie story EVER. The defense makes it worse! Then again, what did they have to work with? I hope Lee gets on the stand, and not only denies, but gives every innocent family secret EVER (like all the reasons they *know* she's guilty which you know they do know, just not saying) Time to take off the gloves of support if "suspect" is going to take you down with the most unspeakable of lies. Not to mention a little precious innocent life was lost by what should have been a trustful hand. :maddening:

 

[robin55]

I am very scared she is going to get away with this every sense the DA has stated all this. I hope the jury gets to see the vistations video's with george and cindy and the one with george alone i think they say alot for george not doing what casey says he did to her.

 

[froginTtown]

this was kind of a trick poll for me...
I've always believed ICA was guilty... I thought she deserved the death penalty..!!I followed this case faithfully for the first 2 years...
Other cases came about that caught my attention..such as Haliegh, Kyron and Zahra..
I quit following this case for nearly a year... my hatred toward Casey calmed over the year...
In fact, to the point that I could accept 40 years in jail for the murder of her own child...which is about the usual for that crime, so long as you admit all the details and such..
BUT.. THEN I WATCHED THE OPENING STATEMENTS,,,
The pros. put was well prepared...going day by day..laid it all out there..
Then came JB.......
wow.. If someone would have put a ridiculous looking blouse on him and fidgiting with his hair and outfit,, I would of thought Casey herself was doing the opening statement..!!!
I'm sickened that the three years in jail haven't changed her a bit..!!
It makes me sick that she still will not take a bit of responsiblity and continue to blame and ruin other peoples lives... including our friends/members in Florida who's tax money should be spent on far better things...
It's clear as crystal that she is a person who doesn't care who she hurts..
I now see why she didn't want Cindy and George at the trial...
Anywho...during the opening statements... I was thinking 40+ years.....
Now I think she deserves the DP..

 

[Just Jayla]

I am very scared she is going to get away with this every sense the DA has stated all this. I hope the jury gets to see the vistations video's with george and cindy and the one with george alone i think they say alot for george not doing what casey says he did to her.

Take heart! It's like building a house.

The defense has chosen to erect a straw hut on a muddy foundation. When the big bad wolf, the state, comes to blow it all down, it will be like dust in the breeze.

The state, on the other hand, has only begun to pour a solid foundation. The purpose, IMO, of GA testifying yesterday was to introduce him and to establish that the state is not going to give credence to the silly DT opening, get that out of the way, and let's get back to the job at hand. Today was about establishing that amongst her newest group of friends, right after she broke ground with them, the lies were there. Next, I imagine they will go back in time to her older group of friends: Annie, Jesse, Sean, Iassen, Ricardo, Amy, Kio, RyanP...to show that her lies run deep-the rebar in the foundation that support the fact that these lies did not start post-Caylee's death. A solid home takes time to build.

Then, her family-a room for each, shaped and decorated and compartmentalized seperately but together as a unit. The state will call each of them, maybe several more times, so as to provide the jury/us a window into their/KC's most private world.

Next will be LE-the roof, the protection. Yuri is a terrific representation of the kind of man that protects, serves, listens, is intellectually honest. He will talk about the real meat and bones of what went down in the house he tried to protect, Caylee's house. Lies! Holy cow, Lies!

Finally, the forensics-Kinda like the yard and the porch and the final decor, what makes a house a home-They handled Caylee for the last time, they let her tiny bones tell the story of what happened to the family, what happened to her. They provided the finer touches, the air samples, the hairs, the FBI searched the country far and wide for any hope and signs of the beautiful little girl we all have come to care so much about. They are all outside of the circle of family and friends, but no less important.

Like building a house, the buyers, the jury and us, get anxious for the finished product. During the build, it can get ugly. But once it all comes together, there is something unmistakeable there, something that went from a blueprint to fruition. That Casey Anthony murdered Caylee, that she lied endlessly, that her family scrambled to clean up her mess, that LE, Dr. G, the scientists did the work none of us want to ever have to do and they did it with a purpose.

Sorry if the analogy is silly, and be thankful I did not identify the three little pigs-Mods are happy I did not go there, too If you'll recall, there was a little pig that did it right and represents any hope for Casey, I'm just not thinking that piggy is going to make an appearance in this story.

 

[RavenTrue]

Casey relieved herself of a heavy burden. One that she had thought of lessening for some time, looked on IE to search ways to accomplish. That was when she just "had" to be responsible for her own daughter...how dare her parents think she should ALWAYS have to do that? With no more $ to steal (all had been caught, and I suppose..forgiven), an argument with Mom/Dad was not the final blow as previously thought.

If so, would have happened in the months while searching IE. The fate was sealed when she finally had Tony...a guy who she thought loved her, had own apt (can get away from parents), but NOT with Caylee. Something had to give. It did for the final time...she taped her up in the trunk (like "nanny" did many times, and left her in trunk, close calls, but THIS time she meant it. mission accomplished.), and made certain she never woke.

What does Tony think about ya now???? That's what Casey really cares about. (besides getting off for murder) I don't think he likes her anymore, you?

 

[Friday]

I want to touch on something that hasn't been brought up ,yet.

Many posters on this forum have lost a child .Perhaps they will chime in.

When you lose a child suddenly,unexpectedly (my only frame of reference) the grief is not just emotional. There is a physical reaction . I was unable to control shaking for days. For more than a month I had periods of breath holding followed by a sighs.I don't know how else to describe the odd breathing,but I was not in control of it. My thought processing was slow. It was difficult to remember things. I couldn't eat or sleep for weeks. I wanted to .Sweet oblivion for awhile,but I couldn't.
It does not matter if ICA grew up hiding her feelings.There is NO WAY.She could find her beloved daughter dead ,in the morning,and act naturally by that evening. Just not physically possible ,IMO.

I completely agree with every word you wrote. I lost my husband to an accidental death at 41, and my parents lost my little sister as the result of a freakish reaction to a medication. Therefore, I possess some firsthand experience with the excruciating emotional and physical turmoil that grief brings on when we lose someone we love dearly to a sudden, unexpected death.

Now, I don't know whether Casey was abused or not, but based on her behavior, I do know that she could not have deeply loved her little daughter.

And on the subject of grief, is anyone else getting fed up with media people who explain away the bizarre behavior of people like Casey and Scott Peterson by saying "Oh well, everyone grieves in their own way." That's ridiculous. There aren't thousands of ways to grieve, there are maybe a dozen. Conversely, there are hundreds of little ways to feign grieving but they aren't convincing for very long. IMVHO.

I think (but I'm not positive) that the over used phrase above along with the phrase "Ugly Coping" were popularized when the wife of a military man who died suddenly was arrested and tried for murdering him solely because she immediately went on a prolonged, indiscriminate dating spree and wild shopping spree. The jury convicted her of murder, but her husband's death was later proven to be from natural causes.

Some of you will be more familiar with case than I am, so please correct my mistakes. Have I gone too far off topic here? If yes, I'll delete this. I've been away for a year and a half.

 

[froginTtown]

I feel like JB is like a troll in the fact finding mission of the Jury!!!! LOL
HA HA.. I'm gonna make that my signature..lol...

 

[Friday]

I have tried to avoid coverage. Yes I have heard sound bites and have questions. But have tried hard to wait for the court to see the evidence and not speculation on tv.

The defense blew me away. Not just the claims but how they linked it together. Yes, he told a story. But no attorney would tell that story without some way to show back up or at least have evidence to make the jury question things. Right now I have doubt. Right now I should have doubt.

Because the prosecution has to prove their case. That is the key. The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

I'm just grateful the prosecution doesn't have to prove the defense's theory of the case because that would be utterly impossible! LOL

 

[carole]

I want to touch on something that hasn't been brought up ,yet.

Many posters on this forum have lost a child .Perhaps they will chime in.

When you lose a child suddenly,unexpectedly (my only frame of reference) the grief is not just emotional. There is a physical reaction . I was unable to control shaking for days. For more than a month I had periods of breath holding followed by a sighs.I don't know how else to describe the odd breathing,but I was not in control of it. My thought processing was slow. It was difficult to remember things. I couldn't eat or sleep for weeks. I wanted to .Sweet oblivion for awhile,but I couldn't.
It does not matter if ICA grew up hiding her feelings.There is NO WAY.She could find her beloved daughter dead ,in the morning,and act naturally by that evening. Just not physically possible ,IMO.

You were grieving a child that you loved. Grief is uncontrollable. Your body and your mind must go through it. Casey did not grieve. She did not love her child as you loved yours.

To go to Blockbuster and rent a movie the night her child died, however she died, from accident, murder or natural death, shows that Casey is cold and cares for no one but herself.

Thank you for sharing your experience with us.

 

[azwriter]

The title question of this thread brings me to another question - one we have all been asking for nearly three years: Why didn't Casey report her daughter missing for 31 days?

It's been on my mind and I think I have come up with a fairly possible answer.

It's been reported that someone, most likely Casey, did computer searches during March prior to whatever happend to Caylee. The items we have concentrated on were shovel, cholorphorm, neck breaking, weapons from household items. But, if I'm correct, there was another item on that list - missing children.

I do believe Casey searched the web to study what happens when a child is reported missing. She might have been searching to learn the steps authorities take to initiate and then contain and continue a search and more importantly what takes place in an investigation into cases of missing children.

I suspect whatever Casey discovered about this subject, which may have even been actual case examples, is something she didn't like. She could have been concerned that she couldn't pull off being the panic mother of a missing child and felt she was unable to convince LE that not only was her daughter missing but that she was anxious about being able to appear as a distraught mother who would have to appear before the public to beg for help. She did not consider that she could be a match for the professionals who search for lost or kidnapped children.

It may not make sense to the rest of you, but with Missing Children included on the search list, this is where my brain and suspicions has taken me.

However, when her mother dragged her home and demanded answers, Casey probably fell into what she really didn't want to do - announce a kidnapping with a named suspect. It may have been her only instant choice. Her lies weren't as sharp as she thought they were.

No, the defense which has laid out an outrageous story has not led me to even consider Caylee lost her life in the pool or that Casey was a vicitm of sexual abuse from the men in her family.
jmo

 

[azwriter]

Chiquita bless your heart, I know exactly how you feel. I did sign on a couple of times today but only posted once.

During the opening statements, my emotions were a roller coaster ride. After the trial recessed for the day, I felt emotionally, mentally and physically drained. I was having a small panic attack and took some meds for that but I could barely function with all this "defense BS" on my mind. I literally felt sick to my stomach, my chest was hurting and my heart was racing. I'm like you dear friend, I am ready for this to be over! :blowkiss:

Interesting Trapshooter and Chiquita, I had a similiar reaction. On opening day of the trial, I was glued to the television and watching on line at times. About 1:30, when In Session ends its coverage on the west coast, I glanced at the clock expecting to find that it was close to 4:30 and that my husband would be home soon and the cat would be begging to be fed. I was shocked to see that it was early afternoon. I felt as if I had put in an eight hour work day. Surely, it was later in the day than the clock was showing.

I felt strange that I felt that way. But now that I have read your posts, I realize how deeply I was into this trial. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
jmo

 

[Scamperoo]

When push comes to shove and the jury sees everything that GA and CA and LA have done to "protect" KC...Won't they, as we have done, ask WHY? Why would this family be willing to lie and fight and behave so bizarrely to protect someone who so obviously appears guilty. The Defence has provided a possible answer to this. The State needs to either SQUASH it in a meaningful manner immediately or provide a logical alternative. If they don't, they will leave a "reasonable doubt" hanging out there.

moo

The parents have the love they felt for their daughter and it caused them to do anything to save their murderous child...so that doesn't say reasonable doubt to me, what I doubt is that an attorney that worked so hard to get his license is ready to sacrifice his career, such as it is, to save the likes of Casey Anthony...that gives me reasonable doubt of his sanity.

I think the jury is thinking wtf is he doing, not to mention jumping up and down like a whack-a-mole objecting to everything, the more he objects the more the jury wonders why he needs to do so, makes KC look as guilty as she really is.

 

[Laddsy]

I only started following this case recently and had not watched any of the videos etc. I just spent the last two hours watching everything on youtube and it broke my heart. The video where Caylee was with Grandpa had me balling my eyes out

This women needs to be burned at the stake. All the lies and partying makes me physically ill and there is no doubt in my mind that she killed this beautiful little girl. I want to vent more, but I would be banned for it

 

[miss plum]

I have never believed, and will never believe, that this was an accident. KC's total lack of grief and guilt from day one prevents me from accepting this theory. There was and is nothing in her demeanor to suggest that she has suffered the worst loss she ever could have, and that her loss was brought about by her own negligence. That would dement an innocent parent. An innocent parent wouldn't immedediately go out and have a grand ole time. Nothing in her demeanor supports an accident. Nothing. I feel weary to my bones every time I hear it or read it. To my mind it is pure evil nonsense designed to help someone get away with cruel murder. I'm finding it hard to listen to the trial because of it; I thought we were finally going to hear some truths and instead it's a farcical bombardment of worse stories than ever, all delivered with a sickening smirk. A smirk that has no feeling for a darling little dot of a girl whose life was ended in the worst way. I am disgusted by this farce, this dismissive talk of accidents.
And my heart goes out to all the parents here who have lost their beloved children and would have given anything to have them back. This callousness must hurt terribly. Bless you all, and bless your children, and bless Caylee. And bless and guide this jury.

 

[aussiesleuth]

I certainly still believe she is guilty. I also believe that Jose is an idiot. Why has he chosen this bizarre sham of a defense, instead of taking the easier option?
Such as.....Caylee's death was a tragic accident, and Casey, knowing that her parents would blame her, and terrified of their reaction, panicked and tried to cover up the truth. In the immediate moments after the accident she was in a state of distress and was not thinking clearly and that is when she formed the idea of staging a kidnapping. She knew kidnapping victims are often bound and gagged, so she attempted this with duct tape, which was all she could find at the time. Yes, three pieces was overdoing it but her hands were shaking, she was sobbing and terribly upset, hence the sloppy and excessive application. She did put a heart sticker on there and make sure Caylee had her blankie, because she was a good mum, and she loved Caylee so much. After dumping her body, she tried to appear as normal as possible, as she couldn't bear the thought of telling her parents what had transpired. She threw herself into her social life in an effort to take her mind off this terrible event, as she just din't know how to cope with it..................I know it's a load of carp, but surely baez would have had more chance of planting the seed of reasonable doubt in at least one jurors mind, then with the ridiculous, convoluted story he has offered up? Casey is going to have grounds to appeal because of this tall tale.

 

[websurfer]

You can fool some of the people some of the time,
But, you can't fool all the people all of the time....




:silly:anic::websleuther:

 

[websurfer]

I certainly still believe she is guilty. I also believe that Jose is an idiot. Why has he chosen this bizarre sham of a defense, instead of taking the easier option?
Such as.....Caylee's death was a tragic accident, and Casey, knowing that her parents would blame her, and terrified of their reaction, panicked and tried to cover up the truth. In the immediate moments after the accident she was in a state of distress and was not thinking clearly and that is when she formed the idea of staging a kidnapping. She knew kidnapping victims are often bound and gagged, so she attempted this with duct tape, which was all she could find at the time. Yes, three pieces was overdoing it but her hands were shaking, she was sobbing and terribly upset, hence the sloppy and excessive application. She did put a heart sticker on there and make sure Caylee had her blankie, because she was a good mum, and she loved Caylee so much. After dumping her body, she tried to appear as normal as possible, as she couldn't bear the thought of telling her parents what had transpired. She threw herself into her social life in an effort to take her mind off this terrible event, as she just din't know how to cope with it..................I know it's a load of carp, but surely baez would have had more chance of planting the seed of reasonable doubt in at least one jurors mind, then with the ridiculous, convoluted story he has offered up? Casey is going to have grounds to appeal because of this tall tale.

She may have read about a case in which a child was duct taped?

 

[magic-cat]

IF Caylee truly died in that pool.. George and/or Cindy and maybe even Lee would have let that cat out of the bag. The stories the three have spun since day one never meshed nor made any sense whatsoever. They would have had everyone's sympathy if the Anthony's told the public Caylee had drowned.. but my gut tells me that's not quite how it happened. Still not buying their BS.

Precisely. The stories they have all spun is BECAUSE the KNOW she is guilty, not because Caylee died in a drowning accident. They have tried every angle to cover their own KNOWLEDGE that she killed her.

 

[Tulessa]

After hearing the DT Opening Statement today I'm curious if they have succeeded in changing anyone's mind or in placing doubt in your mind.

Are you less sure now of ICA's guilt? Are you buying the molestation story? Was George in on the cover up?

Or has the DT turned you completely in the opposite direction and you are now CERTAIN she's guilty?

I still believe she murdered Caylee - I believe if it had been an accident she would have cracked by now and told someone. I'm honestly not sure about the molestation, but I know if I was in that situation growing up I would never live in the same house with my daughter.

No bashing anyones opinions or thoughts! I think after today everyone is more than a bit confused!

Has not changed my mind one IOTA! A waste, a HUGE WASTE!