GUILTY HI - Carly Joann 'Charli' Scott, 27, pregnant, Makawao, 9 Feb 2014 - #4

[Kapua]

Kapua, defense team or States Attorney?

LOL! Prosecution team. Defense doesn't have much to work with IMHO. Probably too late to edit that...

 

[heartgoesout]

I figured that's what you intended.

I just wonder...we on here are all so invested in this. It's somewhat easy to pick up on inconsistencies (Kapua is on point) because we have read everything possible for over two years. We've picked SC story apart piece by piece. We know what we're intently listening for. There are no brainers because we have had access to it all, deeply care, and seek justice for beautiful Charli and Joshua. Rivera must do a beyond average job of pointing these inconsistencies out as they are glaring to us but maybe not to a juror with virgin ears. I have confidence he can.

 

[Kapua]

I figured that's what you intended.

I just wonder...we on here are all so invested in this. It's somewhat easy to pick up on inconsistencies (Kapua is on point) because we have read everything possible for over two years. We've picked SC story apart piece by piece. We know what we're intently listening for. There are no brainers because we have had access to it all, deeply care, and seek justice for beautiful Charli and Joshua. Rivera must do a beyond average job of pointing these inconsistencies out as they are glaring to us but maybe not to a juror with virgin ears. I have confidence he can.

Yes, Rivera has to wrap it up in his closing statements. He will have the freedom to do that then without all of the objections. I agree with you 100% that we are invested in this case. I don't know how anyone who hasn't followed the case is hearing this. I am pretty sure that MPD was on to him by the end of the first interview.

I am listening to the second interview now. I won't have time to transcribe this evening, but here are my impressions on second listen (and I hope the jurors request to listen to this again.

I think I mentioned this a few pages back but Trial Day 3, part 4 SC says this:

20:42 I have literally been doing everything I can to help find this girl myself, I want to find Charli I want to find my child, I want them to be safe. I love them, I love Charli, the child’s not there yet, so… but I still love the idea of having a legacy and I would never bring any harm to that.

He tries to say he loves Charli and the child by reverts to "the child’s not there yet, so..." He can't even fake it. Then he says that they discussed names, and he said that he liked the name Alexander. And followed up with "Every time I think about children, I always thought that my boy would be named Alexander." So fake! Does he know that the child is a boy? If so, how? And he says that Charli said, "Obviously, the last name would be Scott... He sure isn't selling me on the "I want to be part of its life" at this point. Alexander Joshua Scott... Hmmm. I don't think they discussed names, because her family knew that the baby's name was Joshua. We may hear more about this when the family take the stand.

 

[Kapua]

Totally OT, but for a local boy, his Hawaiian pronunciation is horrible.

 

[heartgoesout]

I mentioned the exact same things a few pages back. It scares me that he knew it was a boy. Either because someone told him or he saw. ((shutter))
And how he referred to her as "this girl" with that tone was very telling.

 

[Kapua]

Still reviewing Trial Day 3 part 4 on CC on YouTube

26:54 SC "Statistically speaking, when something like this happens, it’s usually the man involved."

27:50 SC: "I cut myself when I was working on the truck." Really? In the last interview he said he hurt himself working at the bakery/propping up the rear window of his truck. Trial day 1, part 2, Ginseng Mileur said that SC told him that he injured his hand working on a friend's Honda. The cable wrapped around his fingers. We now have three different stories as to how he got those injuries.

 

[Kapua]

I don't remember if we discussed this a few pages back, but it struck me the first time, which is one reason that I wanted to review the interviews closely while we had a day off from the trial.

The second interview (Trial Day 3, part 4 on CC, 37:30) SC says that he heard about the pregnancy from his friend Adam, a couple months after he got her pregnant, (here he again speaks of not being ready for a child and then says the he thought Charli was afraid of how he'd react.) H claims that he called Charli, they started a dialog and "periodically, we'd get together every couple of weeks and talk about things." This is a contradiction of the first interview where he claims to have only known for sure about the pregnancy "recently, within the last couple of months." "The first few conversations were, well have you considered termination, have you considered adoption?"

 

[Nikki Lisette]

I don't remember if we discussed this a few pages back, but it struck me the first time, which is one reason that I wanted to review the interviews closely while we had a day off from the trial.

The second interview (Trial Day 3, part 4 on CC, 37:30) SC says that he heard about the pregnancy from his friend Adam, a couple months after he got her pregnant, (here he again speaks of not being ready for a child and then says the he thought Charli was afraid of how he'd react.) H claims that he called Charli, they started a dialog and "periodically, we'd get together every couple of weeks and talk about things." This is a contradiction of the first interview where he claims to have only known for sure about the pregnancy "recently, within the last couple of months." "The first few conversations were, well have you considered termination, have you considered adoption?"

Right. Termination in the 2nd trimester?

 

[Loio]

Totally OT, but for a local boy, his Hawaiian pronunciation is horrible.

Lol, I said the same thing.

The defense team has had 2 years to review these tapes and this is their jobs, so hopefully, they are on it... I just hope the men and women of the jury picked up some of that. There are 12 of them, so they can put their heads together. I'm sure the dog owners, pregnant women, and mothers are all thinking "Charli/Nala never got out of the car to go shishi?".

I could go 90 mins or more without having to pee during my pregnancies. The urgency seemed to come later on towards the end when the weight of the baby's head was nestled against my bladder. I didn't see any of the obviously pregnant women I saw during jury selection actually serving on the jury.

Hang in there Sergeant Loo.

 

[Kapua]

So, his vehicle, a lifted Toyota 4-Runner with big tires, custom stereo with 16 speakers and propped up rear window, was not stuck near Keanae Saturday night. Where was it? Where would he leave it that it would be safe and remain unseen? Could he hide it on his grandfather's property? And whose baby was also living in the house?

 

[Mamamerced]

I also noticed, on the last interview, I believe, that Matthew McCormick was interviewed early in the investigation. I've always question what he knew/suspected and if that knowledge led to his brief-but-much-talked-about disappearance. Wasn't it on or near the day SC was arrested?

 

[puakenikeni]

That caught my eye too. I hope we hear more. It was around that time, but forget the exact sequence.

It seems important to me that SC pretty clearly fibbed about finding out about the pregnancy. The early intro of the PP testimony might indicate Rivera plans to use that.

The story about his truck breakdown may be something that gets changed up when the "big lie" gets revealed, so that could be why Rivera is not focusing too much on its weak points. I don't know. The defense has to let the State know the theory it plans to put forward, so Rivera should be cognizant of what Apo intends to do with regards to this lie Steven admits to.

I guess I'm holding back on really analyzing his story until I hear what he's going to recant. Kapua, you are making so many good catches. Thank you thank you.

 

[puakenikeni]

Mama, I searched for the dates, and Matthew McCormick was found on June 30th after a few to several days missing.
Steven was indicted by the grand jury on July 18th. However, SC had been locked up since May, when he was arrested on the weapons charge for turning himself in on the Snapchat terroristic threatening warrant with the concealed knife in his belt buckle.

Seems unlikely that his spell missing was unconnected, but exactly how is still unclear.

 

[Mamamerced]

Any WS ideas on what 'the big lie to protect Charli' will be?
It wasn't really SC's baby?
Charli didn't really follow him back but stayed around Keanae instead?
They headed up to Keanae for another reason (possibly illegal such as to sell drugs) and someone else hurt Charli? SC fled?
What could 'the big lie' be? Another "the glove doesn't fit" theatric?

 

[Mamamerced]

Mama, I searched for the dates, and Matthew McCormick was found on June 30th after a few to several days missing.
Steven was indicted by the grand jury on July 18th. However, SC had been locked up since May, when he was arrested on the weapons charge for turning himself in on the Snapchat terroristic threatening warrant with the concealed knife in his belt buckle.

Seems unlikely that his spell missing was unconnected, but exactly how is still unclear.

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Thanks, Pua. His mom reported him missing June 21. He was last seen either on the 11th or 12th. Found on the 30th. The timing makes it interesting to me, plus he was a friend of SC's.

 

[Loio]

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Thanks, Pua. His mom reported him missing June 21. He was last seen either on the 11th or 12th. Found on the 30th. The timing makes it interesting to me, plus he was a friend of SC's.

I thought it was unrelated and McCormick was trying to avoid a bench warrant. That's what I remember.

 

[Mamamerced]

Thank you, Loio. I don't recall hearing the explanation before.
Has court started, yet? Nothing streaming here.

 

[DaleTray]

I just visited website WildAboutTrial to see the trial today and screen is blank. Does anyone know if the trial is happening today?

 

[puakenikeni]

KHON newscast said the trial was set to resume today, but on Wed it was set at 9 AM, so ... Maybe attorneys are wrangling again. Maybe Cardoza has told them to suit up and punch it out. ;-)

 

[puakenikeni]

Thank you, Loio. I don't recall hearing the explanation before.
Has court started, yet? Nothing streaming here.

I wonder when the subpoenas went out for the grand jury that indicted on the 18th, and whether he expected I receive one. The bench warrant evasion works of course, seems like a peer group that had its share of getting in minor trouble.