Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[dog.gone.cute]

My opinions only, no facts here:

I believe that the perpetrator would not have acted if he knew Holly's brother was still in the house. Perhaps, the kidnapper was under the impression that Holly's brother was out of town, or had left very, very early to go hunting at some distant location. In my judgment, the oversight of Holly's brother still being at home is an important investigative clue. Among all of the POI's and suspects, named or yet-to-be-named, who would have possessed the exact details of the family schedule, yet possessed the misinformation that Holly's brother was not at home on that particular morning?

Sleuth On!

Snipped and BBM:


:seeya: Hi Mr. N !

Your theory makes a lot of sense and I sure hope LE looked into it.

As to the Bolded above, suspects "yet-to-be named" : do you have any ideas WHO they are ? Just curious ... lol !

So far, a total of 6 perps involved and/or having knowledge have been either charged, pending immunity, or sitting in jail on other charges.

And everyone involved in Holly's kidnapping/murder/accessory after the fact deserve the DP or LWOP for what they did to her !

All JMO and :moo:

 

[tlcya]

Question: Did Holly know CB was still at home? Was CB's normal schedule not to be there but his vehicle was causing the suspect to ask Holly - Is CB here? Was her response "No, why?"

 

[pearl]

There is not one shred of evidence that points to that conclusion. There is a slight rise a person must go over to approach the rear of the carport and the window the brother has claimed to have looked of could not have seen from this approach. Whoever confronted the victim could have cared less about who was there and who wasn't. Kidnappers don't address their potential victims nor do they engage in small talk and ask questions of whom they are getting ready to remove.

The spring turkey hunting season ran March 29 through May 11. All of the brothers statements have been problematic since the very first day. When I was at the abduction scene the only way the brother could have seen what he claimed was to stick his head out the window and look east. As far as the dialog is concerned he may have heard something but a specific term is questionable.

The FBI has decades of experience with abductions, kidnapping and murder. The term :"No Why?" was ran through the entire FBI vault and I doubt it matched any other of the thousands of cases they have investigated. To claim that this was a planned abduction and murder is nothing but supposition.

If you put yourself in the mind of a seasoned, experienced FBI investigator all of this is very puzzling-and the key to solving the mystery. I know they have recreated this scene many times from known evidence and this may be why the case is stuck where it is. To the FBI everyone is a suspect until proven otherwise. The same detective must also be confused as to how a relatively simple case has bamboozled into the public relations nightmare that it is now.

I'm sure they question "why wasn't this solved the very first day"

I would like to know that as well.

BBM
Are you a verified insider for the Holly Bobo case?

 

[Suthrnqt]

Question: Did Holly know CB was still at home? Was CB's normal schedule not to be there but his vehicle was causing the suspect to ask Holly - Is CB here? Was her response "No, why?"

Good point. I never thought of the interaction that way. But it does make sense. Thanks girl.

 

[Suthrnqt]

And in your opinion, who is this person, and where is that place?

My opinions only, no facts here:

Is not the deadline for release of evidence from the prosecutors to the defense (Discovery) only a few days away? If so, I would prefer to wait for that event before submitting further analyses.

Mr. Noatak
Now that the deadline has passed, are you gonna post as to the one person/one place theory? Curious minds want to know.

 

[rtjedarling]

Didn't CB attend school away from home therefore, usually away, and perhaps happened to be at home when most would have thought he was away at school- that he had returned to his school?

 

[OldSteve]

Question: Did Holly know CB was still at home? Was CB's normal schedule not to be there but his vehicle was causing the suspect to ask Holly - Is CB here? Was her response "No, why?"

Good point, might explain the "no, why" mentioned in the timeline:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...only!-*NO-DISCUSSION*&p=10473330#post10473330

Also, gets me back to thinking about the unusually long conversation that took place between her and the .

 

[Foxfire]

Originally quoted by foxfire: The abductor was forensically and investigative aware, indicated by the full camo/turkey season, knew HB and the family's schedule/daily routine, Sheriff's department change times, geographical area, and likely knew that the Bobo's outside dog; Champ, was docile.. Seems that multiple and careful recons/trial runs were indicated. jmo

There is not one shred of evidence that points to that conclusion. There is a slight rise a person must go over to approach the rear of the carport and the window the brother has claimed to have looked of could not have seen from this approach. Whoever confronted the victim could have cared less about who was there and who wasn't. Kidnappers don't address their potential victims nor do they engage in small talk and ask questions of whom they are getting ready to remove.

The spring turkey hunting season ran March 29 through May 11. All of the brothers statements have been problematic since the very first day. When I was at the abduction scene the only way the brother could have seen what he claimed was to stick his head out the window and look east. As far as the dialog is concerned he may have heard something but a specific term is questionable.

The FBI has decades of experience with abductions, kidnapping and murder. The term :"No Why?" was ran through the entire FBI vault and I doubt it matched any other of the thousands of cases they have investigated. To claim that this was a planned abduction and murder is nothing but supposition.

If you put yourself in the mind of a seasoned, experienced FBI investigator all of this is very puzzling-and the key to solving the mystery. I know they have recreated this scene many times from known evidence and this may be why the case is stuck where it is. To the FBI everyone is a suspect until proven otherwise. The same detective must also be confused as to how a relatively simple case has bamboozled into the public relations nightmare that it is now.

I'm sure they question "why wasn't this solved the very first day"

I would like to know that as well.

Spooky24, you are correct that there is not only one shred of evidence that points to my conclusions/observations. There are many obvious indicators... These observations were posted over three years ago by me on the WS forum HB thread from pressers by the four LE PIOs and other known info from MSM, CB's statements, and the 2 week volunteer search info which was released, as well as some that was garnered from participating in the Easter weekend search..
Many kidnappers/sexual predators/serial killers past have addressed their intended victims, as well as engaging in small talk with them to size them up and gain info. Many abductions begin with a ruse.. I could give you many examples if you want...

Spooky24, the reason this case was not solved the very first day is due to the lack of a pre-abduction plan by DCSO/HCSO, imo. Perceived hypothesis and the squandering of their most valuable investigative resource; the American public, by the TBI/FBI is why it has taken three years to make arrests in HB's abduction/murder , imo...

 

[Foxfire]

http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Ne...ew-search-for-Holly-Bobos-body-273416161.html

New Decatur Co.sheriff plans new search for Holly Bobo's body <VIDEO>
By Brittany Nicholson
By bnicholson@wbbjtv.com
Story Created: Aug 31, 2014 at 10:16 PM CDT
Story Updated: Aug 31, 2014 at 10:54 PM CDT
DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. -- The new Decatur County sheriff said one of his priorities is to find nursing student Holly Bobo's body.

When Keith Byrd officially takes office tomorrow morning, he will begin his plan to bring closure to the Bobo family and West Tennessee.

"I'd like to be responsible for finding her and that's what we're going to try to do," Byrd said.
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[Foxfire]

"Bring Her Home" (Holly Bobo)
by Heather Cohen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0BkJQM-ZPY

Holly Bobo was last seen being led into the woods by a man in camo.

If you have any information regarding the disappearance of Holly Bobo... please call 1-800-TBI-FIND

 

[imamaze]

Removed posts, Holly is a victim here, discussion I removed is not allowed. If you see a post against TOS please alert and don't respond to it.

:tyou:

 

[goldenbear]

Holly is not far away,I am confident the new LE will find her. LE found the Oak Ridge native Erin Corwin in 5 weeks.

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Didn't CB attend school away from home therefore, usually away, and perhaps happened to be at home when most would have thought he was away at school- that he had returned to his school?

My opinions only, no facts here:

All info I have uncovered about Holly's brother's daily schedule would not even rise to the level of
semi-official. And I have looked long and hard. All sources are second-hand and/or claimed "official" internet news sources that cannot be located.

My opinion would be that Holly's brother was living at home. I do not believe that he was temporarily home on break from some far-away school.

He MAY have been a student where Holly went to school and also working (under work-study programs) in local nursing homes at night. The claims that a cancelled class or a big homework project kept him home on the day of Holly's abduction might be myths.

I would welcome a single factual source about the daily schedule of Holly's brother at the time of her abduction.

 

[SteveS]

Mr Noatak: "In my sole opinion, there is one man we still need to hear from and one place we still need to look."

In your opinion, who is this person, and where is that place?

 

[Mr. Noatak]

Mr Noatak: "In my sole opinion, there is one man we still need to hear from and one place we still need to look."

In your opinion, who is this person, and where is that place?

My opinions only, no facts here:

The deadline for discovery in such a high-profile case is no minor affair. Without a single current news story, I am not even sure the discovery deadline was met. I expect that the defense attorneys should be speaking up pretty soon. My principal thought is that the defense attorneys might skim over the evidence and possibly advise their client or clients to plead guilty. If there are one or more guilty pleas in the very short term, anything I might pontificate about will become quickly forgotten (regardless of whether I am right or wrong).

But I am working on two relevant posts (this takes some time). Assuming that final discovery has occurred and there are no near-term guilty pleas, I will revisit the suspect description AND the probable path followed by the kidnapper after the abduction (and the relevance of this path to the physical evidence).

Sleuth On!

 

[masootz]

My opinions only, no facts here:

All info I have uncovered about Holly's brother's daily schedule would not even rise to the level of
semi-official. And I have looked long and hard. All sources are second-hand and/or claimed "official" internet news sources that cannot be located.

My opinion would be that Holly's brother was living at home. I do not believe that he was temporarily home on break from some far-away school.

He MAY have been a student where Holly went to school and also working (under work-study programs) in local nursing homes at night. The claims that a cancelled class or a big homework project kept him home on the day of Holly's abduction might be myths.

I would welcome a single factual source about the daily schedule of Holly's brother at the time of her abduction.

just to add to the confusion, i remember rumors/reports that the brother was supposed to go hunting that morning but had cancelled.

 

[Foxfire]

My opinions only, no facts here:

All info I have uncovered about Holly's brother's daily schedule would not even rise to the level of
semi-official. And I have looked long and hard. All sources are second-hand and/or claimed "official" internet news sources that cannot be located.

My opinion would be that Holly's brother was living at home. I do not believe that he was temporarily home on break from some far-away school.

He MAY have been a student where Holly went to school and also working (under work-study programs) in local nursing homes at night. The claims that a cancelled class or a big homework project kept him home on the day of Holly's abduction might be myths.

I would welcome a single factual source about the daily schedule of Holly's brother at the time of her abduction.

<BBM for Focus>

Mr. Noatak, I remember distinctly that Clint was a social worker student at UT Martin and was at home to work on a paper that was due..

http://www.wmcactionnews5.com/story...holly-bobo-now-a-full-time-job-for-her-family
Search for Holly Bobo now a full-time job for her family Posted: Aug 25, 2011

"Now all I do is search for my sister," said her brother, Clint Bobo.

Once a social work student at the University of Tennessee Martin, Clint Bobo has now taken up the search for his sister full time. The 25-year-old is the last person known to have seen Holly Bobo as she was being led into the woods on their property by a man in camouflage.


Instead of attending classes, Clint Bobo travels to neighboring towns and states passing out flyers in hopes it leads to a breakthrough.

<sniped - read more>
____________________________________________________

Abducted Tennessee woman's parents grieve, hope...

"I wake up every morning, and I don't want to get up because Holly's not here," Karen said. "But then I get up because I have a job to do.

"I start doing something, anything with an I-N-G, working toward bringing Holly home," she said.

Life changed for Karen, Dana and Holly's older brother Clint Bobo the day Holly vanished.

Clint, 25, halted studies at the University of Tennessee Martin, where he was working toward a degree in social work. He took an incomplete the semester his sister disappeared and has not gone back to school since, Karen said.

Read more: Abducted Tennessee woman's parents grieve, hope | Kingsport Times-News http://www.timesnews.net/article/9035157/abducted-tennessee-womans-parents-grieve-hope#ixzz3CAzd4bfw
Follow us: @timesnewsonline on Twitter | timesnews on Facebook

 

[dog.gone.cute]

My opinions only, no facts here:

The deadline for discovery in such a high-profile case is no minor affair. Without a single current news story, I am not even sure the discovery deadline was met. I expect that the defense attorneys should be speaking up pretty soon. My principal thought is that the defense attorneys might skim over the evidence and possibly advise their client or clients to plead guilty. If there are one or more guilty pleas in the very short term, anything I might pontificate about will become quickly forgotten (regardless of whether I am right or wrong).

But I am working on two relevant posts (this takes some time). Assuming that final discovery has occurred and there are no near-term guilty pleas, I will revisit the suspect description AND the probable path followed by the kidnapper after the abduction (and the relevance of this path to the physical evidence).

Sleuth On!

:seeya: Hi Mr. N !


BBM: Exactly ... we have NO idea IF the discovery deadline was even met ... nothing !

And please no tomatoes :couch: LOL ... but I sure wish we would hear from the defense attorneys ... I know they are full of it ... but it is better than nothing ... and no way will we hear anything from the DA or TBI ...

I sure wish Tennessee had the Florida Sunshine Law !

:moo:

 

[Foxfire]

:seeya: Hi Mr. N !


BBM: Exactly ... we have NO idea IF the discovery deadline was even met ... nothing !

And please no tomatoes :couch: LOL ... but I sure wish we would hear from the defense attorneys ... I know they are full of it ... but it is better than nothing ... and no way will we hear anything from the DA or TBI ...

I sure wish Tennessee had the Florida Sunshine Law !

:moo:

<BBM for Focus>

Tennessee/TBI's Sunshine Law is synonymous to a solar eclipse, imo...

A solar eclipse occurs when the Moon gets between Earth and the Sun, and the Moon casts a shadow of darkness over the Earth. 'Guess, there must be Darkness present for the Light to shine through'..

 

[Hatfield]

While we wait for any breaking news ive been thinking back to the very beginning.

JMO
So many things struck me as being odd about this case at the beginning.

One main thing was a lack of formal LE press conferences. There seemed to be 1 single attempt at a press conference right at the beginning and that was basically it if I remember things right.

There were the early organized search parties but once the weather got bad, it seemed like people wanted the searches to continue and yet the official ones were abruptly stopped.

Then as the days wore on, it seemed the newspapers were practically begging for LE to provide some kind of community announcement and direction and assurance that there was not a loose kidnapper running around. Or at a minimum to come out and say they are actively pursuing leads and to help the community know they are doing everything possible to identify the perp(s).

LE may have been doing everything right behind the scenes but the lack of information did not help to give the public the assurance they needed IMO.

The silence seemed deafening. It seemed the community had to take matters into their own hands with Missing Posters, Missing Semi Stickers, Rewards, and church meetings and the like to keep the case active and help console each other.

The lack of a LE public official spokesperson in such a high profile case just allowed rumors to fester and it seemed a lot more could have been done to help assure the community that LE was doing everything possible.

I would hope LE would learn from this type of case to hopefully handle things better if a tragedy such as this ever happens again.

Because of such a lack of formal LE information, to this very day, there are tons of valid outstanding questions that were never answered. If there is a trial, we hopefully will get some solid answers to a lot of our questions.

This has been one of the most bizarre cases I have ever followed. Its not bizarre because we may find out a bunch of mean punk criminals were involved. Its bizarre to me because of how the case was handled.

If the trials proceed, I am hoping we get answers to explain a lot of the numerous questions that remain.