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http://www.wbbjtv.com/news/local/Ma...here-Holly-Bobos-remains-found-274687741.html

Man says he saw Adams, Autry in area where Holly Bobo's remains found
By Brittany Nicholson
By bnicholson@wbbjtv.com
Story Created: Sep 10, 2014 at 6:52 PM CDT
Story Updated: Sep 10, 2014 at 8:32 PM CDT
DECATUR COUNTY, Tenn. -- A man said he saw both Zach Adams and Jason Autry in the area where Holly Bobo's remains were found on a regular basis.

Adams and Autry have both been indicted for Bobo's kidnapping and murder.

John Tubbs said he has known both men most of his life. He said they were often in the area.

"Him and Jason both. Jason rode a dirt bike through there quite a bit," Tubbs said.

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:seeya: Thanks, Foxfire !

BBM: This is very interesting, IMO.

I wonder IF they were in there "quite a bit" AFTER Holly was murdered and put there ?

- OR -

Were they in that area "quite a bit" BEFORE she was murdered -- and being familiar with the area, chose that area ?

:waitasec: I hope that made sense !
 
Yeah, I'm not getting into any conspiracy ideas with thinking the LE has the wrong people, but, I couldn't imagine if you hid a body in the woods continuing to frequent that area. But who knows, maybe they thought if they stopped that it would look more suspicious.

For some reason I really think she was taken there after some time. I feel sick even asking this question, but when a body is completely skeletonized how much space does it take up? Would it fit in a 2 gallon bucket? :( and what is left behind and for how long in regards to hair/nails?
 
I believe what was found was recently planted, unless more is found. So I wonder, who is out there that would have done this and why?
Surely, they know in so doing that LE will be able to figure out that she was moved, and possibly be able to figure it happened after all the suspects have been locked up....
Does this have to do with the new sheriff saying top priority is find her? - Causing someone to become so nervous they move part of her?
 
Chris Conte says there will be an interview with the "Ginseng" hunter that found Holly's remains at 6PM news, FYI.
 
Chris Conte says there will be an interview with the "Ginseng" hunter that found Holly's remains at 6PM news, FYI.


:seeya: Thanks, jggordo ! I'll go check CC's Twitter to see what else he has to say.
 
WOW ... just checked Chris Conte's Twitter about tonight's story and here are few snippets:


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 27m

Only On @NC5:

Larry Stone was looking for ginseng when he found #HollyBobo Sunday. Why he hasn't slept since.. At 6pm pic.twitter.com/aoqBGVdIcS


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 24m

More from ginseng hunter who found #HollyBobo "I have cried everyday since. It will stay with me for the rest of my life" @NC5


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 18m

Larry Stone says when he found the skull Sunday something inside of him told him it was #HollyBobo
 
Quote Originally Posted by DocBrew
The neighbors heard blood curdling screams, IIRC, and she was stabbed or beaten to the point of blood puddles in the driveway. That doesn't sound like a willing participant/not putting up a fight to me. She was overpowered, like countless other victims. JMO.

True, but I'm just going by what Clint reported with her appearing to walk calmly into the woods with a camouflage man. I suppose he could have had a weapon at her side or something, but I'm still bothered by the fact that from at least what Clint was able to witness, there wasn't much of a struggle..

Entirely possible she was harmed (blood in driveway) after first resisting going with him, and was then threatened further that if she didn't go along without a struggle, she would be killed or her family would be harmed. In this article where her brother "gives his side of the story", he woke up from sleeping that morning when he heard the dog barking. He looked out the window and saw Holly kneeling down in the garage with a man in camos also kneeling down with her, and they were having a heated discussion and all he could hear definitively was Holly saying "No! Why?". Her brother says he thought it was her and her boyfriend Drew (who was hunting that morning and in camos) having an argument, and he thought Drew was breaking up with her, and she was saying "No! Why?" about the breakup. In her brother's mind that made sense, which is why he didn't go out there to see if she needed help.

If what her brother says is true (I see no reason why he would lie, and what he thought he witnessed seems plausible to me), the kidnapper accosted her as she was leaving home to go to school, and said she had to come with him or else (at knife point?), and she kept saying "No! Why?", and then he hurt her (drew blood, neighbors reported screams that her brother didn't hear because he was asleep at first) and threatened her to come along quietly without a struggle and everything would go okay for her. Incredibly tragic what happened after, and my heart goes out to her family and friends.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/22123465/holly-bobos-brother-tells-his-side-of-the-story
 
WOW ... just checked Chris Conte's Twitter about tonight's story and here are few snippets:


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 27m

Only On @NC5:

Larry Stone was looking for ginseng when he found #HollyBobo Sunday. Why he hasn't slept since.. At 6pm pic.twitter.com/aoqBGVdIcS


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 24m

More from ginseng hunter who found #HollyBobo "I have cried everyday since. It will stay with me for the rest of my life" @NC5


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 18m

Larry Stone says when he found the skull Sunday something inside of him told him it was #HollyBobo

prayers to the guy that found Holly. Would be nice if he could collect some of the reward for counseling
@chrisconte Twitter
 
True, but I'm just going by what Clint reported with her appearing to walk calmly into the woods with a camouflage man. I suppose he could have had a weapon at her side or something, but I'm still bothered by the fact that from at least what Clint was able to witness, there wasn't much of a struggle..

This [excerpt of article, link below] also indicates LE believes she was made to leave without an outwardly obvious struggle:

"We believe we can prove she was taken forcefully from her home without her consent. Based on the evidence before us, we feel she was killed in perpetration of that kidnapping," said 24th Judicial District Attorney General Hansel McAdams.

http://www.wsmv.com/story/24896423/zachary-adams-charged-with-aggravated-kidnapping-first-degree-murder-of-holly-bobo
 
:seeya: Thanks, Foxfire !

BBM: This is very interesting, IMO.

I wonder IF they were in there "quite a bit" AFTER Holly was murdered and put there ?

- OR -

Were they in that area "quite a bit" BEFORE she was murdered -- and being familiar with the area, chose that area ?

:waitasec: I hope that made sense !

I see where you are going. And I want to know one further bit of info. Were they not seen in the area anymore after some point in time post abduction and if so was immediate - like boom there frequently before and then not ever or hardly ever noticed in the area immediately after the abduction or still seen there frequently after up to some point more recently. Or have they always been seen there frequently continuing all the way up til the arrests began. And if there was a time period where their frequent visits to that area ended exactly when was it?

Wish I could figure out how to put that more succinctly or be more clear.
 
Man Who Found Holly Bobo: 'It Will Be With Me Forever'

http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/new...tml?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

(not sure if directed at me, but I'm not saying that Holly's remains were taken to the location she was found from the start. I'm only pointing out the closeness of the area to ZA & SA and others...via Yellow Springs Rd., Pugh Rd, 69 to Adams Lane is all, she could have been moved anytime and could have been moved more than once too)
 
Everything that happened to Holly, an innocent victim, kidnapped and taken by force from her own home by a depraved criminal with collusion by a group of men who went along with it (with long criminal records -- ZA's is 8 pages long (http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wmctv/Zachary%20Adams%20CH.pdf) and charges include domestic assault and aggravated assault, etc.) working in concert to sexually abuse and kill her, is absurdly awful, heinous, etc. I think some version of a "three strikes and you're out" type of law should be developed for people who are serial criminals to be watched more closely and with more leeway by LE.

The circumstances of multiple citizens living in a community with a criminal record, purportedly operating as a "team" to commit crimes and intimidate people so they wouldn't call them out (JMO, rumor from a previous post that referred to ZA and his cohorts as the "A-Team" or "A-Train", and reading articles online where he supposedly threatened his own brother would be killed if he talked (http://www.wkrn.com/story/25132232/tbi-files-new-charge-against-zachary-adams)) stands out to me as needing some new laws to protect people and investigate local gangs or perpetrators of serial crime and take them in for questioning if they have so many offenses and there is enough evidence that their intent is to commit crimes as a group, and to somehow keep them under surveillance and be proactive in preventing them from freely committing crimes like this and terrorizing people.

IMO, what happened to poor Holly is that there was a group of men lead by ZA, etc., who in this given community felt they could get away with and purportedly pre-conceived, planned, plotted, and carried out kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder of a local woman in broad daylight, and they smugly hid what they did for years, and may have even moved her remains around during that time to avoid LE's discovery, etc.

It's all too heinous and horrible to imagine, especially for Holly's loved ones, but man, when I see ZA's rap sheet is 8 pages long and he is rumored to be in a gang that seems to embrace that lifestyle in that small community, I think people like that should be watched and prevented from willfully or randomly attacking innocent people in their community. I'm thinking something like a "Holly's Law" where people living in a community with so many arrests and crimes on their record should be watched by local LE, i.e., quite doggedly in anticipation of further crimes, and legally LE could follow and investigate these serial criminals and their movements in anticipation of preventing further crimes if they have committed more than "x", i.e., "putting the heat on" local criminals to let them know they are being watched and warned, and if anything gets out as being planned criminally, or happens in their sphere of influence, they will be the first on the list to be taken in for questioning by LE.

Don't know what the bar would be (3 convictions related to sexual or domestic or other types of violence, gang, and/or drug activity?), and I'm sure it would be very complicated and fought by civil/criminal/human rights lawyers, etc. But it seems incredibly wrong and tragic that such bad actors with numerous convictions and evil intent/malice aforethought as a group, no less, should be able to wreak such havoc doing such unspeakable violence to an innocent, and to get away with it for years without anyone in LE having been given the opportunity to look at them and their activities because they can only work on each individual aspect of charges against them, but collectively can not seem to justify investigating them as a menace to society or a broad threat to local people.

I know this sounds like someone advocating taking away American people's rights under the law, and I don't think of myself as that kind of person, but when it comes to harm of innocents, in some cases (usually hindsight, unfortunately), I wish there was room for a bit of 'Marshall law' under which LE could ferret out reckless criminals and keep a hairy eyeball on them and could investigate/put pressure on them as a kind of warning based on their record. Just venting, MOO...
 
As I am thinking about this (sorry but its early and my brain stays in neutral at this hour), didn't we hear a report about ZA's vehicle or a 4 wheeler being seen at the Bible Hill Cemetery on the morning Holly was abducted? Seems like a local had driven by there on an unrelated errand and noticed the vehicle there. Any posters remember our discussions about this?



Good to see you shefner. In response to your question brevity is not my strong suite.:)

Moderators please delete this post if I have broke any TOS rules. MOO


ISSUES WITH JANE VELEZ-MITCHELL
August 4, 2011 - 19:00:00 ET


<snipped>


VELEZ-MITCHELL: So you would think that where they found the lunch pail, they would have some kind of tire tracks or something. What about -- her cell phone was left at home?


K. BOBO: No, she had her cell phone with her.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Did they ever find it?


K. BOBO: I`m not sure about that.


VELEZ-MITCHELL: Have they been able to track it, the pings?


K. BOBO: I`m not sure about any of that?


<snipped>


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/04/ijvm.01.html


Now,with that background;I will answer your question.Then, (as if the abduction route needed any more credibility,that is the reason I included the Velez-Mitchell interview)there were genuine clues found all along the route: a lunch box here, a notebook there, and a receipt near Interstate 40.


I will not elaborate more on any routes except to say that a group of private investigators the Bobo's hired theorized there was a 15 min stop at a 'cemetery' from a 'ping map" they developed. They were discredited so there was NO more discussion of their investigation.
 
Everything that happened to Holly, an innocent victim, kidnapped and taken by force from her own home by a depraved criminal with collusion by a group of men who went along with it (with long criminal records -- ZA's is 8 pages long (http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wmctv/Zachary%20Adams%20CH.pdf) and charges include domestic assault and aggravated assault, etc.) working in concert to sexually abuse and kill her, is absurdly awful, heinous, etc. I think some version of a "three strikes and you're out" type of law should be developed for people who are serial criminals to be watched more closely and with more leeway by LE.

The circumstances of multiple citizens living in a community with a criminal record, purportedly operating as a "team" to commit crimes and intimidate people so they wouldn't call them out (JMO, rumor from a previous post that referred to ZA and his cohorts as the "A-Team" or "A-Train", and reading articles online where he supposedly threatened his own brother would be killed if he talked (http://www.wkrn.com/story/25132232/tbi-files-new-charge-against-zachary-adams)) stands out to me as needing some new laws to protect people and investigate local gangs or perpetrators of serial crime and take them in for questioning if they have so many offenses and there is enough evidence that their intent is to commit crimes as a group, and to somehow keep them under surveillance and be proactive in preventing them from freely committing crimes like this and terrorizing people.

IMO, what happened to poor Holly is that there was a group of men lead by ZA, etc., who in this given community felt they could get away with and purportedly pre-conceived, planned, plotted, and carried out kidnapping, rape, torture, and murder of a local woman in broad daylight, and they smugly hid what they did for years, and may have even moved her remains around during that time to avoid LE's discovery, etc.

It's all too heinous and horrible to imagine, especially for Holly's loved ones, but man, when I see ZA's rap sheet is 8 pages long and he is rumored to be in a gang that seems to embrace that lifestyle in that small community, I think people like that should be watched and prevented from willfully or randomly attacking innocent people in their community. I'm thinking something like a "Holly's Law" where people living in a community with so many arrests and crimes on their record should be watched by local LE, i.e., quite doggedly in anticipation of further crimes, and legally LE could follow and investigate these serial criminals and their movements in anticipation of preventing further crimes if they have committed more than "x".

Don't know what the bar would be (3 convictions related to sexual or domestic or other types of violence, gang, and/or drug activity?), and I'm sure it would be very complicated and fought by civil/criminal/human rights lawyers, etc. But it seems incredibly wrong and tragic that such bad actors with numerous convictions and evil intent/malice aforethought as a group, no less, should be able to wreak such havoc doing such unspeakable violence to an innocent, and to get away with it for years without anyone in LE having been given the opportunity to look at them and their activities because they can only work on each individual aspect of charges against them, but collectively can not seem to justify investigating them as a menace to society or a broad threat to local people.

I know this sounds like someone advocating taking away American people's rights under the law, and I don't think of myself as that kind of person, but when it comes to harm of innocents, in some cases (usually hindsight, unfortunately), I wish there was room for a bit of 'Marshall law' under which LE could ferret out reckless criminals and keep a hairy eyeball on them and could investigate/put pressure on them as a kind of warning based on their record. Just venting, MOO...

About what I've boldened in your post above.....a quick thought came to mind. What if someone in the "A-Train" had insider LE information to help them know if and when to help move HB's body periodically. It doesn't have to be someone in the LE themselves but someone "in the know" in periphery of the investigation. Maybe a clerk, or the janitorial service.

Just thinking out loud here.....
 
Yeah, I'm not getting into any conspiracy ideas with thinking the LE has the wrong people, but, I couldn't imagine if you hid a body in the woods continuing to frequent that area. But who knows, maybe they thought if they stopped that it would look more suspicious.

For some reason I really think she was taken there after some time. I feel sick even asking this question, but when a body is completely skeletonized how much space does it take up? Would it fit in a 2 gallon bucket? :( and what is left behind and for how long in regards to hair/nails?

It is not unusual for the suspect to return to the scene where they put the remains of their victim. Do you remember Scott Peterson repeatedly returning to the San Francisco Bay before they found Laci and Connor four months later? Imo, he was checking around the edge of the bay to make sure they hadn't washed ashore.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least that they did stop in this area frequently. In fact the upside down bucket was probably used for them to sit on.

Imo, we are dealing with the diabolical here who gets pleasure out of the evilness they have caused. I think both of them came there often pretending to take a break there while riding their dirt bikes. They were checking to make sure she was still there, imo. I think they left the white sheetrock bucket there so they wouldn't lose track of where they had discarded her since the woods there was so vast. Unfortunately that wouldn't stand out either since it is quite common to see trash discarded in heavily wooded areas.

Since I believe they are so evilly twisted in their thinking they probably found the upmost humor in knowing Holly was laying there all alone and no one had found her. I can see them exchanging high fives as if they thought they had pulled off the crime of the century.

It would take much more room to put an entire adult skeleton than a 2 gallon bucket would hold. I have read that other bones were found as well. But if not, then sadly only a 2 gallon bucket would be needed to transport her skull.:(

I don't think Holly was ever alive in the area her remains were found in but this is the place or the last place they put her remains.

I sincerely hope that she was intact when discarded at this site but I wouldn't be shocked if that turns out not to be the case.

These monsters had three long years to move Holly's remains around from place to place.

But I do believe 100% that something of monumental importance connected to Holly was found inside the home of ZA or property and I believe it was enough evidence that already showed Holly had been murdered there.

IMO
 
Man Charged in Holly Bobo Case Denies Video, Fears for Safety

One of the men charged in connection with the murder of Holly Bobo — the 20-year-old nursing student whose remains were found this week, more than three years after she went missing under suspicious circumstances — said his life “will never be the same” and again denied seeing a cell phone video that purportedly shows what happened to the woman.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/man-charged-holly-bobo-case-denies-video-fears-safety-n201566
 
Everything that happened to Holly, an innocent victim, kidnapped and taken by force from her own home by a depraved criminal with collusion by a group of men who went along with it (with long criminal records -- ZA's is 8 pages long (http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wmctv/Zachary Adams CH.pdf) and charges include domestic assault and aggravated assault, etc.) working in concert to sexually abuse and kill her, is absurdly awful, heinous, etc. I think some version of a "three strikes and you're out" type of law should be developed for people who are serial criminals to be watched more closely and with more leeway by LE.



It's all too heinous and horrible to imagine, especially for Holly's loved ones, but man, when I see ZA's rap sheet is 8 pages long and he is rumored to be in a gang that seems to embrace that lifestyle in that small community, I think people like that should be watched and prevented from willfully or randomly attacking innocent people in their community. I'm thinking something like a "Holly's Law" where people living in a community with so many arrests and crimes on their record should be watched by local LE, i.e., quite doggedly in anticipation of further crimes, and legally LE could follow and investigate these serial criminals and their movements in anticipation of preventing further crimes if they have committed more than "x".

Don't know what the bar would be (3 convictions related to sexual or domestic or other types of violence, gang, and/or drug activity?), and I'm sure it would be very complicated and fought by civil/criminal/human rights lawyers, etc. But it seems incredibly wrong and tragic that such bad actors with numerous convictions and evil intent/malice aforethought as a group, no less, should be able to wreak such havoc doing such unspeakable violence to an innocent, and to get away with it for years without anyone in LE having been given the opportunity to look at them and their activities because they can only work on each individual aspect of charges against them, but collectively can not seem to justify investigating them as a menace to society or a broad threat to local people.


snipped for brevity and bbm

Your post got me thinking. I live in GA, and we have the "3 strikes law." I did some reading around the web and found this. If it is still in force, why wasn't it applied to ZA and JA?

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/three-strikes-laws-in-different-states.html
Some states apply the "strike" to the second serious, violent felony. For example, in Georgia and Tennessee a felon convicted of a two serious or violent crimes, such as murder, armed robbery, kidnapping, or rape, must receive a life sentence without the possibility of parole.
 
About what I've boldened in your post above.....a quick thought came to mind. What if someone in the "A-Train" had insider LE information to help them know if and when to help move HB's body periodically. It doesn't have to be someone in the LE themselves but someone "in the know" in periphery of the investigation. Maybe a clerk, or the janitorial service.

Just thinking out loud here.....

Yes, it seems possible the people who murdered Holly and disposed of her body moved her remains whenever they thought they should over the last 3 years since they killed her to avoid her body being located by LE. I think it started upon her death with them dumping her body in a well at the Adam's property ("the hole" she was in that ZA said his brother would end up if he didn't keep his mouth shut), and then when the pressure was on, and the Adams' knew LE may come search their property, they pulled up Holly's remains from the well/hole and dumped them in the area where they off-roaded where her skull was found.

LE supposedly excavated the wells on the Adams property with a backhoe (can provide MSM link I looked at today if questions), and though they didn't find her body (it had been moved by ZA/perps through some insider tip-off as suggested, or just because the heat was on and the focus was on them and their property), they found bone shards and/or other physical evidence (after her body was moved to the woods) that they felt they could charge ZA for her murder.
 
I see where you are going. And I want to know one further bit of info. Were they not seen in the area anymore after some point in time post abduction and if so was immediate - like boom there frequently before and then not ever or hardly ever noticed in the area immediately after the abduction or still seen there frequently after up to some point more recently. Or have they always been seen there frequently continuing all the way up til the arrests began. And if there was a time period where their frequent visits to that area ended exactly when was it?

Wish I could figure out how to put that more succinctly or be more clear.

When the mill owner's son spoke I got the impression they were seen in the area very often. Before Holly disappeared and afterwards. He seem to say seeing the men in the area was very common. I think if they all of a sudden stopped riding their dirt bikes in the area after Holly disappeared he would have made a point to say that.

Imo, he saw them from time to time all the way up until they both were arrested.

JMO
 
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