Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[tlcya]

I don't think Holly was ever alive in the area her remains were found in but this is the place or the last place they put her remains.

I sincerely hope that she was intact when discarded at this site but I wouldn't be shocked if that turns out not to be the case.

These monsters had three long years to move Holly's remains around from place to place.

But I do believe 100% that something of monumental importance connected to Holly was found inside the home of ZA or property and I believe it was enough evidence that already showed Holly had been murdered there.

IMO

respectfully snipped for focus

I agree with the above wholeheartedly. I think she was never in that location alive but placed there later. How much later after her death or if she was moved there after being disposed or interred somewhere else I don't know, but I feel it is very possible that she was placed somewhere else and later moved to that spot.

 

[Dr. Know?]

It makes me now wonder besides riding around in that area often over the years, what is growing back there or cooking? jmo

 

[tlcya]

which caused me to just wonder something. I have forgotten the sequence in the arrests. Was ZA arrested first or SA? Because if SA was arrested and made his deal after ZA then that might explain LE saying they feel there may be someone else who is out there who needs arresting or is involved. Because SA was to have given them the body, then the body did not materialize. So what we are all dancing around is that maybe the remains were moved recently in order to keep them from being found where SA believed them to be. If that is so them who did that?

 

[tlcya]

good point Dr. Know. Meth labs are very mobile the last few years. It wouldn't take much and much easier to break down and hide than say a shine still back in the day.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Everything that happened to Holly, an innocent victim, kidnapped and taken by force from her own home by a depraved criminal with collusion by a group of men who went along with it (with long criminal records -- ZA's is 8 pages long (http://ftpcontent4.worldnow.com/wmctv/Zachary Adams CH.pdf) and charges include domestic assault and aggravated assault, etc.) working in concert to sexually abuse and kill her, is absurdly awful, heinous, etc. I think some version of a "three strikes and you're out" type of law should be developed for people who are serial criminals to be watched more closely and with more leeway by LE.



It's all too heinous and horrible to imagine, especially for Holly's loved ones, but man, when I see ZA's rap sheet is 8 pages long and he is rumored to be in a gang that seems to embrace that lifestyle in that small community, I think people like that should be watched and prevented from willfully or randomly attacking innocent people in their community. I'm thinking something like a "Holly's Law" where people living in a community with so many arrests and crimes on their record should be watched by local LE, i.e., quite doggedly in anticipation of further crimes, and legally LE could follow and investigate these serial criminals and their movements in anticipation of preventing further crimes if they have committed more than "x".

Don't know what the bar would be (3 convictions related to sexual or domestic or other types of violence, gang, and/or drug activity?), and I'm sure it would be very complicated and fought by civil/criminal/human rights lawyers, etc. But it seems incredibly wrong and tragic that such bad actors with numerous convictions and evil intent/malice aforethought as a group, no less, should be able to wreak such havoc doing such unspeakable violence to an innocent, and to get away with it for years without anyone in LE having been given the opportunity to look at them and their activities because they can only work on each individual aspect of charges against them, but collectively can not seem to justify investigating them as a menace to society or a broad threat to local people.

snipped for brevity and bbm

Your post got me thinking. I live in GA, and we have the "3 strikes law." I did some reading around the web and found this. If it is still in force, why wasn't it applied to ZA and JA?

http://www.legalmatch.com/law-library/article/three-strikes-laws-in-different-states.html
Some states apply the "strike" to the second serious, violent felony. For example, in Georgia and Tennessee a felon convicted of a two serious or violent crimes, such as murder, armed robbery, kidnapping, or rape, must receive a life sentence without the possibility of parole.

A defense lawyer explained it right after ZA was arrested. He said it was because the serious cases were pled down to misdemeanors so he didn't have three violent felonies on his long rap sheet. The DA over the cases then needs to have his arse kicked. He knew ZA was a habitual offender and violent too yet he kept agreeing to plea the cases.

I think it had a lot to do with ZAs grandfather being highly well known and respected in that community and because of who he was they let his grandson get away with everything. Ugggghhhhhhhhhhh.

IMO

 

[dog.gone.cute]

I see where you are going. And I want to know one further bit of info. Were they not seen in the area anymore after some point in time post abduction and if so was immediate - like boom there frequently before and then not ever or hardly ever noticed in the area immediately after the abduction or still seen there frequently after up to some point more recently. Or have they always been seen there frequently continuing all the way up til the arrests began. And if there was a time period where their frequent visits to that area ended exactly when was it?

Wish I could figure out how to put that more succinctly or be more clear.

:seeya: Yes -- like was there a "pattern" in their frequenting that particular area ... can't think of another word right now other than "pattern" but YKWIM.

:cheers: And tlcya, your posts are always clear and well thought out !

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I believe what was found was recently planted, unless more is found. So I wonder, who is out there that would have done this and why?
Surely, they know in so doing that LE will be able to figure out that she was moved, and possibly be able to figure it happened after all the suspects have been locked up....
Does this have to do with the new sheriff saying top priority is find her? - Causing someone to become so nervous they move part of her?

But why in the world would they 'plant' her there of all places? It is a miracle she was found at all.

If the ginseng hunters hadn't picked that particular spot I don't think she would have ever been found at all.

This case mimics so many other cases where LE and voluntary searchers search and search never finding the victim's remains and then years later someone not even connected to the case will stumble upon the remains totally by happenstance. And it always seems to be in areas where no one hardly ever goes.

The vegetation growth will be so valuable in this case and also if there were roots/weeds etc growing up/around/through the skull or other skeletal parts that too will tell them a lot. They will know all about the vegetation that is there, what it is, how long it takes to grow to the size found in/on and snarled into the skeletal remains.

I don't think anyone took her remains and moved them there after ZA and JA were arrested. It has already been said that it was very common to see both of them in this very area.

Now what we don't know is if this was the only place her remains had been put but if there was any moving of her remains, IMO, it was done by the main two suspects before they were arrested.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

WOW ... just checked Chris Conte's Twitter about tonight's story and here are few snippets:


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 27m

Only On @NC5:

Larry Stone was looking for ginseng when he found #HollyBobo Sunday. Why he hasn't slept since.. At 6pm pic.twitter.com/aoqBGVdIcS


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 24m

More from ginseng hunter who found #HollyBobo "I have cried everyday since. It will stay with me for the rest of my life" @NC5


Chris Conte @chrisconte · 18m

Larry Stone says when he found the skull Sunday something inside of him told him it was #HollyBobo

My heart breaks for this man and I know his cousin had to be horrified too.

I really hope they both get the reward money.

IMO

 

[Twistinginthewind]

I have a question that may have been well vetted in the past, but that has always puzzled me, and this examination of new places and distances in the area brings it to my mind again.

Decatur is a tiny county, and the Bobo's lived not far from the middle, so any other place in this county couldn't have been far away. When Holly's mother was told that Holly had walked into the woods with her bf, her immediate reaction was that it could NOT be him.

But, if I'm not mistaken, her knowledge was that he was in the county. So how could she know that it wasn't him? If he was somewhere in the county a bit prior, it wouldn't have taken him long to get to the Bobo's, so I've always found her certainty to be incredibly odd.

Has that question ever been asked, and answered?

This information may go towards explaining how much and to what extent Holly's mom knew something was wrong, and her calling her son and telling him to get a gun and shoot the man Holly was with because it wasn't her boyfriend Drew:

Excerpt from link below:

"Clint Bobo said he figured Holly and her boyfriend Drew were breaking up.

At this time, Karen Bobo called home after she heard from a neighbor that there was a scream.

It's important to note that Clint Bobo didn't hear that scream, and Karen Bobo didn't tell her son there was a scream.

They were not on the same page.

"I said, 'Clint, that's not Drew. Get a gun and shoot him.' And I remember him saying, 'You want me to shoot Drew?' So I hung the phone up again, and I think at that point I fell on the floor," Karen Bobo said.

Clint Bobo knew that Holly's boyfriend Drew was turkey hunting that morning, so he thought it was obviously Drew he saw wearing camouflage and talking with his sister. He said it appeared to be a serious conversation and maybe even a break-up talk.

"And I don't want to call 911 and say, 'My sister and her boyfriend are breaking up,'" Clint Bobo said.

So, Clint Bobo didn't act, but went to check again. This time, he saw Holly walking into the woods with the man in camouflage.

"The only thing I could see was his right arm, which was hanging down," Clint Bobo said. "I saw them up to about where those two trees are, and from that point I never saw them again."

Then, police started arriving. Karen Bobo came home and neighbors arrived. Everyone was talking about what happened, but no one had started searching yet.

"It seems like it was well over two hours at least before anyone went into the woods. They waited on search dogs to get here and a helicopter," said family friend Terri Brumley.

"I was begging them to put out road blocks," said Karen Bobo. "The bond that Holly and I had - I knew that something was completely, absolutely wrong, but I just couldn't make anybody understand that.""

http://www.wsmv.com/story/22123465/holly-bobos-brother-tells-his-side-of-the-story

 

[Dr. Know?]

This video really doesn't tell you who was at bat first but in order to get evidence, they asked SA before ZA & JA. I don't know what they had on SA to get that info tho. The drunk video was from 2009, I think.

jmo

http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/257594311.html

So far, Zach Adams and Jason Autry are both charged with Bobo's murder. Austin-- believed to be childhood friends with the two suspects -- had been granted immunity if he could lead the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation to Bobo's body. In fact, sources told NewsChannel 5 a tip from Austin helped lead to a massive search of Adams' property back in February. No body was found. The immunity was revoked. And Austin could now face charges.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

which caused me to just wonder something. I have forgotten the sequence in the arrests. Was ZA arrested first or SA? Because if SA was arrested and made his deal after ZA then that might explain LE saying they feel there may be someone else too is out there who needs arresting or is involved. Because SA was to have given them the body, then the body did not materialize. So what we are all dancing around is that maybe the remains were moved recently in order to keep them from being found where SA believed them to be. If that is so them who did that?

:seeya:

1st BBM: It's like you need a "flowchart" to keep track of this group of criminals and their lengthy records !

2nd BBM: SA has not been arrested YET for Holly's kidnapping or murder ...

SA's "immunity deal" was on the table -- then off the table -- and now, no telling what is going on with that.


ZA was arrested at the very end of February 2014 -- can't remember the exact date.

But, JA was already in jail on other charges when ZA was arrested for Holly's kidnapping and murder. Then JA was charged with Holly's kidnapping and murder.

So IF the 2 charged moved the remains: it would have been done prior to end of February 2014 for ZA -- and -- prior to JA going to jail on the other charges.

Now this is JMO, but I think they have been keeping a close eye on SA since that immunity deal ... That would have been really stupid for SA to move the remains when his BFFs were sitting in :jail: ...

So I don't think the remains were moved recently ... I think they have been there a while.

All JMO and :moo:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:seeya: Yes -- like was there a "pattern" in their frequenting that particular area ... can't think of another word right now other than "pattern" but YKWIM.

:cheers: And tlcya, your posts are always clear and well thought out !

I have always read that 'local' murderers place their victims within their own comfort zone. (A place very familiar to them) Since both of them had been riding these same woods for years they already knew no one went back there where Holly's remains were discarded.

I think they felt so comfortable placing her there that they revisited the site quite often and when anyone saw them in the general area no one thought anything about it because this seem to be the place where they had ridden their dirt bikes for years.

What they couldn't predict though was one day two gentlemen would decide to go ginseng hunting in that area even if it happened 3.5 years later.

JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:seeya:

1st BBM: It's like you need a "flowchart" to keep track of this group of criminals and their lengthy records !

2nd BBM: SA has not been arrested YET for Holly's kidnapping or murder ...

SA's "immunity deal" was on the table -- then off the table -- and now, no telling what is going on with that.


ZA was arrested at the very end of February 2014 -- can't remember the exact date.

But, JA was already in jail on other charges when ZA was arrested for Holly's kidnapping and murder. Then JA was charged with Holly's kidnapping and murder.

So IF the 2 charged moved the remains, it would have been done prior to end of February 2014 ...

Now this is JMO, but I think they have been keeping a close eye on SA since that immunity deal ...

That would have been really stupid for SA to move the remains when his BFFs were sitting in :jail: because no doubt, LE was keeping a watch on him.

All JMO and :moo:

Wasn't SAs immunity deal sometime the first of March?

I may have that wrong though.

 

[tlcya]

well and further SA would not have a motivation to move them if his immunity deal depended on him being able to produce them. he would simply produce their location without going to the trouble and risk of moving them elsewhere.

I know SA is not charged with Holly's case (yet) but you are right about the flowchart. These people are (were) in and out of custody for this that and the other offense so often it is hard to keep track of who was out when and for how long during the sequence of events.

I wish I could make flowcharts or powerpoints, we really need one for this case.

 

[dog.gone.cute]

Wasn't SAs immunity deal sometime the first of March?

I may have that wrong though.

:seeya: Hi OBE,

Yes, I think so ... but I need to double check that.

Oh, I edited my original post -- I was watching Project Runway AND reading and posting on WS at the same time ... lol !

well and further SA would not have a motivation to move them if his immunity deal depended on him being able to produce them. he would simply produce their location without going to the trouble and risk of moving them elsewhere.

I know SA is not charged with Holly's case (yet) but you are right about the flowchart. These people are (were) in and out of custody for this that and the other offense so often it is hard to keep track of who was out when and for how long during the sequence of events.

I wish I could make flowcharts or powerpoints, we really need one for this case.

:seeya: Hi tlcya,

BBM: Exactly ... Good point ... I was "sidetracked" when I was posting and not thinking ... lol !

:waitasec: I wonder IF the DA has already created a "flowchart" of the perps he wouldn't mind sharing with us ... :hilarious:


:cheers:

 

[Suthrnqt]

About what I've boldened in your post above.....a quick thought came to mind. What if someone in the "A-Train" had insider LE information to help them know if and when to help move HB's body periodically. It doesn't have to be someone in the LE themselves but someone "in the know" in periphery of the investigation. Maybe a clerk, or the janitorial service.

Just thinking out loud here.....

IIRC, when Holly first disappeared, it was stated that ZA had some type of county job. I believe it was some type of 'go-fer' position. So, imo, he might have been privy to insider type of information. JMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

Yes, Gpa got him a job.

For ZA, this whole article doesn't do him any good at all. There's other news that just portrays the creepiest sadistic dude alive. jmo after reading about him.

http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/248665871.html

 

[Dr. Know?]

Oh and as for JA, it's like watching Red Riding Hood again. A sheep in wolves clothing. Scary. jmo

Now I'd like to hear about the P's. I have no opinion other than I wouldn't be bbq'ing with them on a Saturday night.

 

[Dr. Know?]

Nevermind, we did hear from MP...I'd let my lawyer talk if it was me. jmo and honest opinion.

 

[SteveS]

A defense lawyer explained it right after ZA was arrested. He said it was because the serious cases were pled down to misdemeanors so he didn't have three violent felonies on his long rap sheet. The DA over the cases then needs to have his arse kicked. He knew ZA was a habitual offender and violent too yet he kept agreeing to plea the cases.

I think it had a lot to do with ZAs grandfather being highly well known and respected in that community and because of who he was they let his grandson get away with everything.

I'm sure that the fact his family was known and respected would have had some effect. It would have to, in such a small community.

But in fairness to the local LE, some who are familiar with the way prosecutions work have said that his various plea deals were all very much in line with normal LE procedure. In other words, ZA may have merely gotten a normal application of how justice and jurisprudence works. In hindsight, it may have looked like some sort of free ride, but maybe it was just the way the system works.

And ultimately, let's recognize that the system is designed to try to get ZA to turn his life around, and no doubt the family wanted the same. IMO we need to keep the blame for what happened to Holly focused on the one(s) who did it, not on those who would have done anything to prevent it imo.