Holly Bobo, missing from TN 2014 discussion #5 ***ARRESTS***

[nrbc]

I agree that her body has been moved several times but you would think there would be some type of dna or other evidence to support that she was in the previous location that he led them to. Who knows, maybe they do have proof that she was in the location he led them to and that's why they're not pushing his charges further. Or maybe she was in some type of container such as the plastic bucket all along therefore no evidence would be left behind.

Zachary Adams' own Facebook page 04/13/2011--... His words: "You never was you stupid wh....".
http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/newschannel-5-investigates/248922761.html
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Shefner, and nrbc, due to the 5/2 gallon plastic bucket and other indicators of the remains being relocated. Imo, SA didn't mislead investigators about HB's remains original burial location. Likely, due to paranoia of loose lips by SA or possibly others. Imo, at some point ZA and or JA made the decision to remove the remains from their original location to the County Corner Road location..

What does Methamphetamine do to a user?
http://www.jcsd.org/meth symptoms.htm
Methamphetamine's frequent effects are irritability, aggressive behavior, anxiety, excitement, auditory hallucinations, and paranoia...
Abusers tend to be violent. Mood changes are common, and the abuser can rapidly change from friendly to hostile. The paranoia produced by methamphetamine use results in suspiciousness, hyperactive behavior, and dramatic mood swings.

"Long-term meth use can lead to psychosis that mimics paranoid schizophrenia"
Dr. Richard Wise of Pathways Treatment Center

Methamphetamine appeals to drug abusers because it increases the body's metabolism and produces euphoria, increases alertness, and gives the abuser a sense of increased energy. High doses or chronic use of methamphetamine, however, increases nervousness, irritability, and paranoia. The extreme paranoia that methamphetamine abusers can experience is often associated with a distorted tendency toward violence..
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[ATasteOfHoney]

Zachary Adams' own Facebook page 04/13/2011--... His words: "You never was you stupid wh....".
http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/newschannel-5-investigates/248922761.html
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Thank you for your post as always, Foxfire.

It has always disturbed me---those words spoken by HB according to her brother when he saw her and the perp in the garage. Why would she say, "No! Why"?
What was the perp accusing her of?
And if this perp is ZA, his remarks on FB "you never was, you stupid w****" sounds very angry.
What was he angry about?
Well, ZA being a meth head could make it all totally irrelevant and also of course, these are just two of the many things that don't quite sit well with me. With the past dealings of her ex, I wonder if HB knew too much and she was silenced from speaking about those things? And I haven't doubted for one second that there was someone on the "inside" protecting ZA periodically. His record speaks for itself and yet he was free to roam and commit further crimes.

 

[Tugela]

I am not forgetting anything.

Imo, your theory isn't credible. If they were originally going after this 'mysterious unknown person' there was nothing preventing them for taking that person. They would have let Holly leave for school just like they waited until Holly's parents had left for work before they kidnapped Holly.

I don't agree with your opinion that Holly wasn't special. It is obvious to me and just about everyone else that she was exceptionally beautiful. Probably known as one of the prettiest young woman in town.

And predators often pick very attractive victims to prey upon.

And just because Adams didn't know Holly on a one on one basis doesn't ever mean he didn't know who she was when he had seen her out in the community.

She wasn't in the wrong place at the wrong time. She was at home on her own property when the kidnapper came to her home to kidnap her.

She looks pretty average compared to young women that age where I live, perhaps things are different where you are. Having blonde hair doesn't make you "exceptionally beautiful".

Predators don't pick out attractive women to prey on, that is a myth that comes from the "blame the victim" kind of thinking in rape cases. Most often the primary criteria for stranger predators is opportunity, not what the victim looks like or how she dresses. They are motivated by the desire to have power over their victim rather than sexual desire, the rape is a tool they use to express that power.

There is nothing to suggest that she had any connection with the accused, which means that if it is them it is stranger abduction. There is zero evidence that any of them were obsessed with her, were stalking her or even knew her, nor is there any evidence that she was complaining of being stalked or harassed by unknown people. There is nothing at all to support what you are proposing. It is not a random crime of opportunity either since it is not feasible for them to grab her while passing by the exact second she come out of the house. The only way that would happen is if her car was on the street in front of the house as they drove by, and they jumped out and grabbed her as she approached it, but it is pretty clear from the descriptions offered by the brother that they supposedly came from quite distance since they left by quite a distance

The only reasonable explanation is that they were already there outside the house when she came out, and given the circumstances as explained above they must have been there for a specific reason, and that reason is unlikely to be Holly herself. So why were they there? Answer that question and we might have a much better idea of what really happened. IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Holly might not have had a direct connection with whoever took her, but in that case I bet there was an indirect connection. Crimes involving physical assault like this rarely involve complete strangers, there is usually a connection of some sort.

 

[shefner]

She looks pretty average compared to young women that age where I live, perhaps things are different where you are. Having blonde hair doesn't make you "exceptionally beautiful".

Predators don't pick out attractive women to prey on, that is a myth that comes from the "blame the victim" kind of thinking in rape cases. Most often the primary criteria for stranger predators is opportunity, not what the victim looks like or how she dresses. They are motivated by the desire to have power over their victim rather than sexual desire, the rape is a tool they use to express that power.

There is nothing to suggest that she had any connection with the accused, which means that if it is them it is stranger abduction. There is zero evidence that any of them were obsessed with her, were stalking her or even knew her, nor is there any evidence that she was complaining of being stalked or harassed by unknown people. There is nothing at all to support what you are proposing. It is not a random crime of opportunity either since it is not feasible for them to grab her while passing by the exact second she come out of the house. The only way that would happen is if her car was on the street in front of the house as they drove by, and they jumped out and grabbed her as she approached it, but it is pretty clear from the descriptions offered by the brother that they supposedly came from quite distance since they left by quite a distance

The only reasonable explanation is that they were already there outside the house when she came out, and given the circumstances as explained above they must have been there for a specific reason, and that reason is unlikely to be Holly herself. So why were they there? Answer that question and we might have a much better idea of what really happened. IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Holly might not have had a direct connection with whoever took her, but in that case I bet there was an indirect connection. Crimes involving physical assault like this rarely involve complete strangers, there is usually a connection of some sort.

I agree. There is something to this that we do not know yet....

 

[Bali]

She looks pretty average compared to young women that age where I live, perhaps things are different where you are. Having blonde hair doesn't make you "exceptionally beautiful".

Predators don't pick out attractive women to prey on, that is a myth that comes from the "blame the victim" kind of thinking in rape cases. Most often the primary criteria for stranger predators is opportunity, not what the victim looks like or how she dresses. They are motivated by the desire to have power over their victim rather than sexual desire, the rape is a tool they use to express that power.

There is nothing to suggest that she had any connection with the accused, which means that if it is them it is stranger abduction. There is zero evidence that any of them were obsessed with her, were stalking her or even knew her, nor is there any evidence that she was complaining of being stalked or harassed by unknown people. There is nothing at all to support what you are proposing. It is not a random crime of opportunity either since it is not feasible for them to grab her while passing by the exact second she come out of the house. The only way that would happen is if her car was on the street in front of the house as they drove by, and they jumped out and grabbed her as she approached it, but it is pretty clear from the descriptions offered by the brother that they supposedly came from quite distance since they left by quite a distance

The only reasonable explanation is that they were already there outside the house when she came out, and given the circumstances as explained above they must have been there for a specific reason, and that reason is unlikely to be Holly herself. So why were they there? Answer that question and we might have a much better idea of what really happened. IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Holly might not have had a direct connection with whoever took her, but in that case I bet there was an indirect connection. Crimes involving physical assault like this rarely involve complete strangers, there is usually a connection of some sort.

I'm gonna disagree with you on her not being exceptionally attractive. She's pretty far above average and her looks are often cited as for why this case has gotten so much attention. As for people preying on cute girls...I'm in the middle on that one. Serial sexual predators DO have types. I'm not sure if she was at more risk of being abducted being more attractive than normal. Probably, but I don't know. I'm not sure it matters all that much though.

I do agree with you on the rest though. I don't think her looks had a whole lot to do with this. I can't think of a single reason why someone kidnapping her for sexual purposes would have an angry, kneeling down conversation with her. And if we're going with the theory that ZA, JA, and a whole gang of people kidnapped her, it would be very atypical for a large group of people to kidnap her for sexual purposes. I think it was much more likely they were after something else, and perhaps someone else when they kidnapped Holly.

 

[trenchmouth]

She looks pretty average compared to young women that age where I live, perhaps things are different where you are. Having blonde hair doesn't make you "exceptionally beautiful".

Predators don't pick out attractive women to prey on, that is a myth that comes from the "blame the victim" kind of thinking in rape cases. Most often the primary criteria for stranger predators is opportunity, not what the victim looks like or how she dresses. They are motivated by the desire to have power over their victim rather than sexual desire, the rape is a tool they use to express that power.

There is nothing to suggest that she had any connection with the accused, which means that if it is them it is stranger abduction. There is zero evidence that any of them were obsessed with her, were stalking her or even knew her, nor is there any evidence that she was complaining of being stalked or harassed by unknown people. There is nothing at all to support what you are proposing. It is not a random crime of opportunity either since it is not feasible for them to grab her while passing by the exact second she come out of the house. The only way that would happen is if her car was on the street in front of the house as they drove by, and they jumped out and grabbed her as she approached it, but it is pretty clear from the descriptions offered by the brother that they supposedly came from quite distance since they left by quite a distance

The only reasonable explanation is that they were already there outside the house when she came out, and given the circumstances as explained above they must have been there for a specific reason, and that reason is unlikely to be Holly herself. So why were they there? Answer that question and we might have a much better idea of what really happened. IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Holly might not have had a direct connection with whoever took her, but in that case I bet there was an indirect connection. Crimes involving physical assault like this rarely involve complete strangers, there is usually a connection of some sort.

What a stupid comment. She was a beautiful girl by any comparison.

 

[Foxfire]

I'm gonna disagree with you on her not being exceptionally attractive. She's pretty far above average and her looks are often cited as for why this case has gotten so much attention. As for people preying on cute girls...I'm in the middle on that one. Serial sexual predators DO have types. I'm not sure if she was at more risk of being abducted being more attractive than normal. Probably, but I don't know. I'm not sure it matters all that much though.

I do agree with you on the rest though. I don't think her looks had a whole lot to do with this. I can't think of a single reason why someone kidnapping her for sexual purposes would have an angry, kneeling down conversation with her. And if we're going with the theory that ZA, JA, and a whole gang of people kidnapped her, it would be very atypical for a large group of people to kidnap her for sexual purposes. I think it was much more likely they were after something else, and perhaps someone else when they kidnapped Holly.

I agree. There is something to this that we do not know yet....

She looks pretty average compared to young women that age where I live, perhaps things are different where you are. Having blonde hair doesn't make you "exceptionally beautiful".

Predators don't pick out attractive women to prey on, that is a myth that comes from the "blame the victim" kind of thinking in rape cases. Most often the primary criteria for stranger predators is opportunity, not what the victim looks like or how she dresses. They are motivated by the desire to have power over their victim rather than sexual desire, the rape is a tool they use to express that power.

There is nothing to suggest that she had any connection with the accused, which means that if it is them it is stranger abduction. There is zero evidence that any of them were obsessed with her, were stalking her or even knew her, nor is there any evidence that she was complaining of being stalked or harassed by unknown people. There is nothing at all to support what you are proposing. It is not a random crime of opportunity either since it is not feasible for them to grab her while passing by the exact second she come out of the house. The only way that would happen is if her car was on the street in front of the house as they drove by, and they jumped out and grabbed her as she approached it, but it is pretty clear from the descriptions offered by the brother that they supposedly came from quite distance since they left by quite a distance

The only reasonable explanation is that they were already there outside the house when she came out, and given the circumstances as explained above they must have been there for a specific reason, and that reason is unlikely to be Holly herself. So why were they there? Answer that question and we might have a much better idea of what really happened. IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Holly might not have had a direct connection with whoever took her, but in that case I bet there was an indirect connection. Crimes involving physical assault like this rarely involve complete strangers, there is usually a connection of some sort.

Tugela, imo Holly Bobo would stand out in a crowd in almost any geographical part of our country. Not only due to her physical beauty, but her personality, and inner beauty as well..
Organized sexual predators do pick out attractive women that meet their fantasy expectations to prey on. They often will settle for less due to unintended circumstances.
Stranger abductions/murders are more common than the 0.1% FBI NCIC stats imply, imo. However, imo, Holly Bobo's abduction was not stranger, but a slight acquaintance abduction/murder.
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Bobo friend describes man in camouflage at coon hunt
http://www.wsmv.com/story/25397291/bobo-friend-describes-man-in-camouflage-at-coon-hunt

At the same time, a friend of Bobo's says she saw a man who looked a lot like Austin stalking them days before Bobo went missing.

Candace Wood wonders now if she was witness to the beginning of the awful events. Her story is simple and chilling now that we know so much more.

Wood was on a double-date with Bobo, her childhood friend, at the Decatur County coon hunt in 2011.

As you can imagine, it was crowded, but something made Wood look behind her - you know how you feel staring eyes.

"He had this look like he was staring at us. I had never seen this guy before," Wood said. "He just kept staring at us. He had his phone in his ear. He would look down and up, look down and up, and look back four or five times. The fourth or fifth time I got that eerie feeling, that creepy feeling he was looking at me or Holly."

Four days later, Bobo was abducted by a man in camouflage, and that detail stopped Wood cold because of the man she saw at the coon hunt.
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1. Credentials and Interest
It was during my tenure of over 20 years as a homicide Detective and Detective Sergeant with the Miami Police Department that I investigated six serial murder cases. I like to think that the experience I gained in those investigations has given me a most rudimentary glimmer of understanding as to what motivates a serial killer in undertaking his atrocities.

4. Victim Selection

How does a serial killer select victims? The traditional school of thought holds that generally they select victims based on certain physical and/or personal characteristics. This assertion presupposes that, within the mind of each serial killer, there evolves synthesis of preferred characteristics and, ultimately, a clear, specific picture of his "ideal" victim, be it male or female, black or white, young or old, short or tall, large busted or small, shy or forward, and so on. Then, when that "typical" serial killer begins an active search for human prey, he will go to certain lengths to capture and victimize only those individuals who closely fit the mold.

Unexpectedly, I have observed that most serial killers never actually find and kill their "dream victim." People fitting such detailed and perfected images may not only be hard to come by, but may also not be easily available in the venues haunted by "hunting" serial killers. So when that ideal victim cannot be found, and when their internal impetus becomes powerful enough, they will settle for a substitute. Ignoring for a moment the disparity between deviant human and normal feline behavior, a serial killer can be compared to a hungry lion that lies in wait for his favorite meal. It may be the lion knows an impala has the most tender or tasty meat. He waits for an opportunity to kill and eat the impala and in doing so may allow easy but not-so-attractive prey to pass unmolested. In time, hunger pains growing and no impala in sight, the famished lion will settle for an unwary bird that happens by. After devouring the bird, which gives his hunger a brief respite, the lion again has time to savor the taste of an impala, and the cycle begins again.

Like the lion, a serial killer just will not defer acting out his urge to kill simply because his "ideal" victim refuses to materialize at his beck and call. But his reason for settling for something less divulges from that of the lion. There are two basic, interrelated reasons for this disparity.
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[Mr. Noatak]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Snipping from an earlier Foxfire post: " Imo, at some point ZA and or JA made the decision to remove the remains from their original location to the County Corner Road location.."

You know, Occam's razor (assuming equal explanatory power, the simplest solution; formally, the one with fewest assumptions, should be preferred) falls flat in the Holly Bobo case. So, I will make up my own principle, called Mr. Noatak's razor: "illogical indications and contradictory facts in a criminal case, indicate that even the most base assumptions need to be reevaluated".

What I am speaking about, trying to get my arms around, is the issue of competency vs. incompetency in the Holly Bobo case. The abduction was well-planned, so well-planned that the abductor hangs around the scene for 15 to 20 minutes and gets away so cleanly that a suspect vehicle is never even seen. Further, it takes three years after the abduction to identify a suspect. This indicates initial competence and subsequent stony silence, not luck. But at the same time we have Holly's personal articles tossed in plain sight to be found, and a main suspect who seemingly incriminates himself on Facebook (not once, but twice!). Now we have the possible situation where Holly's remains were successfully hidden from view for more than 3 years, only to be disinterred and moved to the SURFACE!! It makes no sense to leave remains anywhere near the surface. It is almost as if the remains were placed where they could be found. The bucket may have been placed there to make it easier to locate the remains.

If authorities can trace the origin of the bucket, there might be a surprising revelation.

The character Eddie Dane said it best in the 1990 movie 'Miller's Crossing': "Up is down. Black is white."

Crazy, crazy.

Sleuth On!

 

[Plumeria5]

Other than "Hollywood" the land of plastic surgery, (and yes, I lived in LA for quite some time) I didn't know there was a geographical boundary of beautiful people. I thought they were kind of spread out across the land. Not sure I can find a smilie to fit in this instance. Give me a sec...ok, this one might work.

:lookingitup:

 

[KristinSchmistin]

I wonder if and when the accused will start turning on each other. If so, it will be vicious.

wait who are the accused again?

I wish her family a lot of strength as they start to heal (hopefully) and go through the process of seeing justice done for their sweet girl. <3

 

[shefner]

Let's face it, Holly was gorgeous. That would be enough for most pervs to take notice.

But for some reason, I really feel like there is more to this story than we are getting. I don't think they grabbed her simply because she was beautiful and radiant. That's what I'm getting at here. I could be totally wrong but I keep going back to the Sheriff saying early on, "Not everything is what it seems."

Could Holly have witnessed something she wasn't supposed to? These were, after all, drug dealers and criminals. Could she have had information about some of their dealings? She was a very clean-cut girl but that doesn't mean she didn't have knowledge of some kind that may have put these men in jeopardy. There had to be a reason they took her other than the fact that she was a beautiful girl.....or at least that is what I am thinking. I think there is a reason LE isn't giving us a motive.

 

[Bali]

Let's face it, Holly was gorgeous. That would be enough for most pervs to take notice.

But for some reason, I really feel like there is more to this story than we are getting. I don't think they grabbed her simply because she was beautiful and radiant. That's what I'm getting at here. I could be totally wrong but I keep going back to the Sheriff saying early on, "Not everything is what it seems."

Could Holly have witnessed something she wasn't supposed to? These were, after all, drug dealers and criminals. Could she have had information about some of their dealings? She was a very clean-cut girl but that doesn't mean she didn't have knowledge of some kind that may have put these men in jeopardy. There had to be a reason they took her other than the fact that she was a beautiful girl.....or at least that is what I am thinking. I think there is a reason LE isn't giving us a motive.

^This is exactly how I feel about this crime. She was definitely hot enough that she would attract attention, and people seem to be focusing on that motive because she IS so attractive. But so many details of the crime point away. I'm still not convinced that it wasn't just one guy who did everything because the police have yet to release anything that we can hang our hats on, but if they are correct in that it is multiple perps, it would shock me if it was a sexual motive.

 

[Foxfire]

^This is exactly how I feel about this crime. She was definitely hot enough that she would attract attention, and people seem to be focusing on that motive because she IS so attractive. But so many details of the crime point away. I'm still not convinced that it wasn't just one guy who did everything because the police have yet to release anything that we can hang our hats on, but if they are correct in that it is multiple perps, it would shock me if it was a sexual motive.

Bali, although there are several other indicators that point to the motive for HB's abduction being sexual, due to the effects of meth/crank; heightens arousal and increases sexual stamina. While meth is working to increase sex drive, it also provides a boost of self-confidence, stamina, and adrenaline. While impairing one's judgment, meth tweakers do things while high on meth that they wouldn't normally do. Meth users often have extremely aggressive and violent sex..
Imo, the A train members are synonymous with the CA Speed Freak Killers of the 1980s;

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The Speed Freak Killers
http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/partners/speed-freak-killers/an-outraged-community.html

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An Outraged Community

Howard Shermantine Jr. (l) and Loren Joseph Herzog and Wesley
Wesley Howard Shermantine Jr. (l) and Loren Joseph
Herzog
Inseparable since childhood, Loren Joseph Herzog and Wesley Howard Shermantine Jr., both now 44, grew up to turn into meth-heads and killers, ultimately getting themselves dubbed the "Speed Freak Killers."The two frequently used methamphetamine, or speed, while they roamed around California's San Joaquin County for approximately 15 years, terrorizing the residents of the mostly rural region and allegedly killing a number of people, frequently women, in their deadly rampage.

 

[OldSteve]

My opinions only, no facts here:

Snipping from an earlier Foxfire post: " Imo, at some point ZA and or JA made the decision to remove the remains from their original location to the County Corner Road location.."

You know, Occam's razor (assuming equal explanatory power, the simplest solution; formally, the one with fewest assumptions, should be preferred) falls flat in the Holly Bobo case. So, I will make up my own principle, called Mr. Noatak's razor: "illogical indications and contradictory facts in a criminal case, indicate that even the most base assumptions need to be reevaluated".

What I am speaking about, trying to get my arms around, is the issue of competency vs. incompetency in the Holly Bobo case. The abduction was well-planned, so well-planned that the abductor hangs around the scene for 15 to 20 minutes and gets away so cleanly that a suspect vehicle is never even seen. Further, it takes three years after the abduction to identify a suspect. This indicates initial competence and subsequent stony silence, not luck. But at the same time we have Holly's personal articles tossed in plain sight to be found, and a main suspect who seemingly incriminates himself on Facebook (not once, but twice!). Now we have the possible situation where Holly's remains were successfully hidden from view for more than 3 years, only to be disinterred and moved to the SURFACE!! It makes no sense to leave remains anywhere near the surface. It is almost as if the remains were placed where they could be found. The bucket may have been placed there to make it easier to locate the remains.

If authorities can trace the origin of the bucket, there might be a surprising revelation.

The character Eddie Dane said it best in the 1990 movie 'Miller's Crossing': "Up is down. Black is white."

Crazy, crazy.

Sleuth On!

What you say is very much in line with my:

Previously I mentioned thinking her remains had been moved (to which you replied as quoted above.)
I had not thought about what I respectfully BBM - and now I wonder if they frequented that area, why leave her like that... seems too easy to find..
The thought runs thru my noggin that could it be possible that someone sees these low life's as easy fall guy's and places her remains in a location where it's known ginseng will be searched for... and knows the ZA, SA have been known to frequent the area...
Her abduction was so well planed and carried out, that leaving her like she was found doesn't fit....

So now the big question - is the real still out there?

 

[oceanblueeyes]

She looks pretty average compared to young women that age where I live, perhaps things are different where you are. Having blonde hair doesn't make you "exceptionally beautiful".

Predators don't pick out attractive women to prey on, that is a myth that comes from the "blame the victim" kind of thinking in rape cases. Most often the primary criteria for stranger predators is opportunity, not what the victim looks like or how she dresses. They are motivated by the desire to have power over their victim rather than sexual desire, the rape is a tool they use to express that power.

There is nothing to suggest that she had any connection with the accused, which means that if it is them it is stranger abduction. There is zero evidence that any of them were obsessed with her, were stalking her or even knew her, nor is there any evidence that she was complaining of being stalked or harassed by unknown people. There is nothing at all to support what you are proposing. It is not a random crime of opportunity either since it is not feasible for them to grab her while passing by the exact second she come out of the house. The only way that would happen is if her car was on the street in front of the house as they drove by, and they jumped out and grabbed her as she approached it, but it is pretty clear from the descriptions offered by the brother that they supposedly came from quite distance since they left by quite a distance

The only reasonable explanation is that they were already there outside the house when she came out, and given the circumstances as explained above they must have been there for a specific reason, and that reason is unlikely to be Holly herself. So why were they there? Answer that question and we might have a much better idea of what really happened. IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Holly might not have had a direct connection with whoever took her, but in that case I bet there was an indirect connection. Crimes involving physical assault like this rarely involve complete strangers, there is usually a connection of some sort.

There is quite a bit I don't understand about your post.

Starting with the 'blonde hair' snipe. What does having blonde hair have to do with her beauty? It is obvious looking at Holly's facial features it wouldn't matter if she was a blonde or whether she had black hair. She is still way above average. And Holly lived in a community consisting of only 3000 people making her beauty even more noticeable. I sense a little jealousy and resentment toward Holly in your wording.

What myth? It isn't a myth. All one has to do is read cases.. along with the photos of the victim.. right here going back many years to know that predators prefer very attractive woman if the kidnapping is planned and not a crime of opportunity. Now of course if they strike only when the opportunity is right they will pick the most vulnerable target at the time. However; Holly was targeted (selected) specifically.

Why is it reasonable to believe that Holly wasn't the reason they came there. What evidence supports that they were there for something else? Nothing was taken and there was no invasion of the home.

Blame the victim? What in the heck are you talking about? I haven't seen one person blame a victim because they happened to be pretty and that includes Holly. So I have no clue what you mean by 'blame the victim.'

I don't know what you mean they came a great distance? They came from the wooded tree line on the Bobo property and left that way. Their vehicle easily could have been parked not far from where they reentered the woods on the Bobo property.

You say there is not anything supporting what I am proposing and then you yada, yada, yada, about a 'random' crime when I have never once said this was a 'random' crime. SMH. And to clarify there isn't anything you have posted that is supported either.

This part really has me stumped.

IMO they would have come to collect a debt or settle a score with someone else. The person they wanted was not available, but someone connected to that person (Holly) was, so they took her instead to leverage collecting that debt or to settle the score. That is what I think.

Hmmm, really? Are you serious? And where is the evidence to support you even thinking this.

What are you implying? No one lived at that home but the Bobos. Are you implying someone in the Bobo family had dealings with the A-Train? Based on what and who? Out of over 3.5 years not one thing has been revealed stating that any member in the Bobo family associated with the thugs who kidnapped and murdered Holly. So who are you accusing that had the imaginary debt in this family? You do realize that none of the Bobo family members have ever had criminal records and still don't. All three of them have appeared at every court hearing for the trash involved in murdering their daughter/sister.

So why take Holly? How does that settle a debt? A $100 debt in exchange for the DP? Yeah,Right. Where is the ransom demand or the message to the Bobos that they had Holly? Because if they didn't make it clear who had taken Holly and for what reason there is no message.

And if they were already on the place then what prevented them from going into the Bobo home to look for their 'intended' target? It sure wasn't seeing Holly who had to be scared out of her wits. They easily could have forced her to go back in the home with them.

And if this is remotely true what you must be saying is someone in the Bobo family knew who took Holly all along but they let them walk around free for 3.5 years.

Also you have to be saying that the local LE or TBI are so dumb that they couldn't find the Bobo connection either (or whoever the imaginary person is who owed the debt) for 3.5 years. Everyone knows they start their investigation first with family members/close friends and then widen out. None of the Bobos moved. They all have been right there willing and able to talk to all TBI agents. They all have been investigated thoroughly, imo.

Frankly I think your theory is preposterous.

If I didn't know better I would think your post came from the Topix' gossip site where Bobo bashers reside.

No one was at the Bobo home but the Bobos that day. So you are accusing one of the Bobos of not only having connections to these thugs but also letting them walk around free for 3.5. I know that you don't mention anyone by name (of course) lol but its obvious to the most unobservant who you are posting about and I find it not only wrong but shameful.

This entire family has gone through hell and back searching for their daughter/sister all these years. There is nothing remotely suggesting that anyone in the family even had a debt owed to the A-Train.

IMO

 

[Mightymight]

Just had another arrest. TBI reporting John Dylan Adams on April 13th 2011 disposed of items he knew to be of evidentiary value to the case.

 

[JudyBolton]

Will Nunley &#8207;@willnunley 8m
Breaking : brother of suspect Zach Adams also arrested for evidence tampering, TBI says. #HollyBobo

 

[Mightymight]

http://www.wsmv.com/story/26569627/tbi-brother-of-zach-adams-arrested-in-connection-to-bobo-case

 

[lonetraveler]

He had no choice put to turnover his phone. They had a SW. He cries victim and protests too much. If he truly wanted this matter cleared up he would have given them the pass code in a nano second like any innocent person would do with nothing to hide. He forgets the devil is in the details.

I don't think thousands are wrongly convicted every year. Do you have a link to that information? In about 20+ years the Innocent Project has found about 250-300 or so that were completely exonerated.

If we had to wait at WS until a trial is held and the evidence entered... we would have nothing to post about. We aren't in a court of law. We have a right to express our opinions before, during, and even after the verdict is rendered. That is what crime message boards are for.

I have been keeping up with criminal cases for over three decades so I have seen/read about many many criminal trials. Like countless others who I thought were guilty and were.... I think these defendants are very guilty as well. I have no qualms in stating it either.

It is my opinion that ZA and JA are very guilty of the horrific crimes for which they are accused. The TBI didn't arrest these diabolical brutes for three years. So they weren't trying to pin it on just anyone. They charged them when they knew they had the irrefutable evidence to prove they did it. They found that proof when they did the extensive search of their home and property, imo. It was only then they were arrested.

IMO

:goodpost: Me too!

 

[Mightymight]

"Tell my brother he is the one who started all this s#*t, and if he don't shut his mouth, he will be in the hole beside her." I wonder exactly what ZA meant by "started"? Anyone know his height and weight?