accepting Hope's sentence as just & focusing the anger on what is broken doesn't help. Judges stick it to the people they want to stick it to & don't stick it to the ones they don't want to stick it to. Even if her sentence was partly due to her lack of cooperation in the Haleigh case, well, that's not good enough, because a judge is the reason that Haleigh was in that situation. That's what's broken-putting kids in unsafe homes & surrounding them with unsafe adults. A little reading & a few home visits should've taken care of that. So no, Hope's drug sentence doesn't make me feel better.ITA!!! and I don't think a great injustice was done to Hope by her sentence, I think she deserved it, and I think molesters/rapist, and murders deserve more. I don't think anything is accomplished by trying to protest Hope's sentence, IMO she deserved what she got. She had been in and out of the jail system ....and she's only 19 ..... how many times have we looked at the booking log and thought ...... oh he/she is back AGAIN!?!?!
I think the anger should be focused on what is broken in the justice system, like molesters getting so little time, not on the amount of time Hope got.
She was not going to change, we heard the call with her mom, she didn't want "bootcamp" and/or a program, I think jail is the best place for her right now.
Be careful what you wish for.
~jmo of course :angel:
Originally Posted by grandmaj
What I find interesting are the charges: One Trafficing Drugs, One possess drugs, Two Intent to Sell, Mfg or Deliver, Two Shoplifting Selling Drugs was not new for her only difference the last time was prescription drugs. Wonder what she did before she turned 18??
1/20/2010
893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST
1/3/2010
893.13-6a DRUGS-POSSESS CNTRL SUB WO PRESCRIPTION
7/29/2009
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER 893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M 812.015-2 LARC PETIT FROM TRANSIT AGENCY 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE
6/26/2009
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE
812.015-2 SHOPLIFTING PETIT FROM MERCHANT 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF M
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE
This was a barely 19 year old girl living the life of drugs. I believe the judge got it right.
& another thing about Hope's sentence. It makes me feel terrible to see A young teenaged girl in this kind of trouble. I'm sorry, but I just didn't see the evidence that Hope was trafficking. I want to see proof that this undercover cop wasn't their only trafficking customer. Were they trafficking to others? maybe legally they didn't have to be, but then that makes me wonder if they would've been, without his prompting. another thing about Hope's sentence. It makes me feel terrible to see a young teenaged girl in this kind of trouble. Yeah, she has a bad attitude, but so what...I'd be surprised if she didn't. There should be some hope for someone her age, & I really think she should have been given a chance to go through the boot camp, rehab program. Maybe she would've come out with a better attitude. & if the program wasn't successful, then send her to jail.
& if a judge can lock Hope up for her petty part in this crime, why couldn't one lock Ronald up for one his priors. I'll tell you why. He didn't go in there with a bad attitude. He said exactly what the judge wanted to hear. & really, these judges should learn to see through the b.s. & have thicker skins when they do run across an attitude like Hope's.
BBM.How can anyone be soft on drug offenses after reading debs post 361 - this shows an increase and the study was only through 2007 - I could imagine these numbers to continue increasing and it is quite obvious (to me) that drug use is "out of control"
and what is even more frightening, these are ONLY the statistics for FLORIDA - this is terrible!
Let Hope's sentence be fair warning to others. The advantage to her relationship to RC is that society gets to learn of the punishment/sentencing for a drug trafficing charge. Too often people learn of the arrest and not the outcome.
I think the real issue here is that we all know she is collateral damage to the Ron and Misty show. Anyone that has followed the scanner thread for five minutes or watched the booking website for Putnam KNOWS that they are not busting every petty drug transaction and booking them on trafficking charges.
She did commit the crime. She did make bad decisions before hand and she made really ignorant comments on tape that bit her in the *advertiser censored* with the judge, but we all know if she wasn't Ron's cousin and she wasn't with Misty that night she would not be getting ready to do a fifteen year sentence.
Donna has a private attorney right? One that is not being paid by the state? I highly doubt you will see her convicted of trafficking. She will get the charge down to something else that doesn't have a minimum or she will beg the court to let her go to treatment for a deferred prosecution.
No one in their right mind takes a plea that involves a trafficking charge in Florida. Even the defense attorney websites in the area all say the first thing they do in a trafficking case is try to get it changed to a possession charge. That in and of itself is considered a victory.
Legally what happened to Hope is fair and just and exactly what the law the local voters put in place calls for. I have major issues with cases that I think only poor and uneducated citizens would be victims of. When they hauled Tommy in on the gun the charge I thought they were taking advantage of him being poor and dumb. When Lisa was extradited I felt the same way. Of course part of me says whatever it takes to break the case, but when I step back and know a more affluent and educated citizen would NEVER be hauled in on those charges because an hourly attorney would have them out in a matter of hours it is hard for me to stomach.
And I think Hope is an absolute victim of not being educated enough to defend herself and not affluent enough to hire an attorney.
Originally Posted by grandmaj
What I find interesting are the charges: One Trafficing Drugs, One possess drugs, Two Intent to Sell, Mfg or Deliver, Two Shoplifting Selling Drugs was not new for her only difference the last time was prescription drugs. Wonder what she did before she turned 18??
1/20/2010
893.135-1c1 DRUGS-TRAFFIC 4 GRAMS LESS 30 KG OTHER CNTRL SUBST
1/3/2010
893.13-6a DRUGS-POSSESS CNTRL SUB WO PRESCRIPTION
7/29/2009
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER 893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE M 812.015-2 LARC PETIT FROM TRANSIT AGENCY 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE
6/26/2009
893.13-1a2 MARIJUANA-POSSESS WITH INTENT TO SELL MFG OR DELIVER
893.147-1 NARCOTIC EQUIP-POSSESS AND OR USE
812.015-2 SHOPLIFTING PETIT FROM MERCHANT 2ND OR SUBSQ OFF M
810.08-2b TRESPASSING OCCUPIED STRUCTURE OR CONVEYANCE
This was a barely 19 year old girl living the life of drugs. I believe the judge got it right.
I agree with you. Was Hope ever in a previous rehabilitation/juvenile/detox program before and it failed??? Was this her first prison sentence? Not ready to give up on teenagers this fast. Was this sentence just a PR/political move to make the county look tough. I hope, the attorney will appeal if this sentence is way outside statistical deviation control points of previous similar cases. May be an election is forth coming?
Hallelujah and Amen.This was her third intent to sell arrest within 7 months. This was a mandatory minimum sentance. She is not a "teenager" for the period of all 5 of her arrests she was a legal adult responsible for her own actions. Looking at the above posts it is rather obvious she caught a break for the first arrest. Shoplifting and trespass in an occupied structure. In other words she was banged for burglary but the SA went a little easy on her that time. THAT was her one shot that would be viewed as a youthful indiscretion. Neither the state, the county nor any branch of government, Law Enforcement or the general public has any obligation to offer provide or mandate any sort of counciling, rehab, rehabilitation. That is a judgement call by that public official we do in fact call "the Judge". Now that recording of her telling her mother that she outright lied to the judges face probably did not to much to give him the impression that he should apply his discretion in this case. Judicial discretion is just that. Discretion. It should be used rarely and only when the judge feels that there is a clear and compelling reason to do so and take a chance on an individual. Judges discretion, particularly in the lessening of charges or sentancing should not be the norm.
You state that she should challenge appeal on the basis of statistical deviation, or if her sentance was outside the norm. It was outside the norm for the charges she faced and pled no contest to. It was halved. And dropped to the absolute minimum that sentancing rules would allow the judge to go on the charges. Yes he could have used his special powers of discretion to give her a pass into a youthful offender program. But his obligation in this regard is to the people of Florida, not to her. He is not a social services councilor. he is a criminal court judge. There is nothing that he saw in her record or in the testimony given to make him think that she would be a worthwhile investment in his judicial discretion, nor not continue to be an ongoing problem to the citizens of Florida.
Now she may have been poorly served by her lawyer. Although based on that phone call with her mother, it sounds more like she simply opted to not pay any attention to him until it was too late, and listen to "jailhouse lawyers", relatives, and others with conflicting interests rather than her own lawyer. Once again. She is a legal adult. She has the right to ignore her lawyer. The judicial system is not a set of training wheels for life.
I agree with you up to a point.
But why are not those teenagers yanked off the streets earlier. And put in some kind of rehabilitation/detox program away from their often beyond help toxic adult family members and vocationally trained/educated with a chance for a decent job/future.
Guess available funds is the bottom line. But long time incarceration surely must be more expensive.