How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?

[BeanE]

It still works if the witness saw a live Kyron leaving with Terri....and, nobody saw him after that.

I need to correct what I said. I don't believe LE said "alive". I can't find it in the presser video. So it was that Terri was the last person to see Kyron before he disappeared.

I suppose it could be that Terri and one or more other persons were the last to see Kyron before he disappeared, and LE is leaving out that Terri was not the only one to see him at that exact same time, but I doubt it.

I'm still chewing on the wording and what other possibilities may be.

 

[Zanko]

Three comments:

After Kyron disappeared I thought about how difficult it is to remember who I've seen today at my son's school. For reference, I tried to remember if I'd seen a given child ("John") that morning. I honestly couldn't remember if I was thinking about that morning or the morning before. Did I see "John" with his mom today or was that yesterday? This again emphasizes that doing absolutely nothing uncommon can make one virtually invisible.

Comment #2: Have you ever been someplace and done something silly and looked around and no one was paying attention to you at all? I'm sure predators look for opportunities where they could "pull the plug" on a plan at any stage and not look out of place. A predator asks a child he knows, "Can you help me carry this to my car?" Then he thinks to himself, "If anyone sees me, I say 'thank you' and go on my merry ol' way, but if no one sees me..." This works best if the predator does this so often no one thinks twice about seeing him having a child help him out to his car.

Finally: Children are much smaller than we often realize and can fit in places that one wouldn't think of, especially if they are incapacitated. My six year old likes to fold himself up into tight places (eg. cardboard boxes) to pop out and surprise his brothers. With the science fair there were bound to be parents coming and going with displays, boxes, rolling carts, maybe a suitcase on wheels?

 

[raeann]

I was about 5 miles south of the school, and I know we had at least one heavy shower that morning. One of my coworkers had car trouble on the way into work and I went to our parking lot with him to check it out just before 9:00 and it was raining.

I personally have no idea, just read it here when someone local posted that they were from close to the area and there was no rain till around the lunch hour. There very well could have been on and off localized showers, it often happens that way.

jmoo

 

[s_finch]

But, we don't know that nobody saw Terri leave with Kyron, do we? Maybe someone did. Or, thought they did. Pretty sure they did. LE might want more than one witness. The person who saw them leave might be a child. LE might want to know if an adult also saw them.

No we don't . LE has not said that no one saw them leave together. LE has very specifically said "Kyron was last seen alive before he disappeared" by TH, that means he wasn't last seen in a group setting. He was seen by TH and then "disappeared", LE has a strong reason for being so specific in such a tight-lipped case.

IMO, someone saw KH and TH together either leaving the building or in the process of going off alone down the hallway or into a bathroom, etc... and LE is looking for more detail or witnesses by using the flyers.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Are there other schools in the area near Skyline, i.e. parochial or private schools that were already closed for the summer? This is the case in many places where non-public schools don't have to follow a particular academic calendar. In Michigan, for example, public schools can't start until after Labor Day, but parochial and/or private schools often start in late August and finish a couple of weeks before public schools.

Could there have been other school-age children who didn't attend Skyline visiting the Science Fair? In this case, it would not have been unusual to see children leaving the building that morning because they didn't have to be in school but might have wanted to see friends' science projects. jmo

 

[STEADFAST]

I think a good question that goes along with the theme of this thread is Why would someone think ahead of time that they could leave unseen with a child under the crowded conditions? That puzzles me.

 

[violet67]

I was about 5 miles south of the school, and I know we had at least one heavy shower that morning. One of my coworkers had car trouble on the way into work and I went to our parking lot with him to check it out just before 9:00 and it was raining.

the ford was reported to be having some mechanical difficulties days later

 

[Astrella613]

Am I wrong in my assumptions that school did not start this day until 10 am?

If that's correct, then groups wouldn't have begun till then and Kyron was last seen at approximately 8:45 am, right?

I believe that the students were touring the projects in small groups from 8:45 until 10:00. Regular classes started at 10:00. Do we know what time attendance was taken?

 

[BeanE]

Here's a good pic to look at as you ponder this puzzle:

 

[oregonmum]

Are there other schools in the area near Skyline, i.e. parochial or private schools that were already closed for the summer?

I do not think so. Most schools ended just last week.

 

[mamaeb]

I was about 5 miles south of the school, and I know we had at least one heavy shower that morning. One of my coworkers had car trouble on the way into work and I went to our parking lot with him to check it out just before 9:00 and it was raining.

to me this changes a lot.
I had heard it wasn't raining, so I moved on from my first thought... which was...


that when it is rainy, most people are more worried about themselves getting from point a to point b that they do not pay much attention to people around them. Plus this was a day many were bringing in projects. So they were even more busy with their own activities to notice who was walking by them.
You add in some umbrellas, coats and bulky projects.

However..... I do want to point out... many said that not many were at school yet, but in the pictures, almost all the other kids have projects already set up. So was that done the day before?

 

[mamaeb]

Here's a good pic to look at as you ponder this puzzle:

I really hope those dumpsters at the bottom of the pic are not picked up fridays!

 

[Faenorwyn]

My best guess is that he was in fact seen leaving with her and LE just hasn't released this information yet. The other scenario I can think of is its possible that no one noticed. Its a school and kids are kids...they aren't paying much attention to their surroundings. Parents aren't either...they're probably focused on their own child's science fair project. I will say this though. Personally, if I saw a parent leaving school with a child early in the morning it would probably strike me as odd because you expect parents to be bringing kids INTO the school, not taking them out, at appx. 9am. So I would have noticed that, if I'd seen it.

 

[liz b.]

The best way to make this plan work was not to take him to school in the first place. It would have been so high risk to get him out of the school without anyone seeing,and especially on that morning,with more people and activity than normal. IMO this crime was carefully planned, and the planner would not have risked everything on the chance of not being spotted leaving with Kyron. Also, the murderer would not have risked telling a 7 year old to meet them in the parking lot at a certain time IMO All it would have taken for that plan to unravel is if Kyron had spoken to anyone, especially another classmate, and told them he was going to meet his SM. The whole case would have been over very quickly IMO.

Interesting that LE has changed the last person to see Kyron. Originally it was a person who saw him at around 9 :00 by his classroom door. Now it is the SM. If he had really been by his classroom door at that time, most of his classmates would have surely seen him there. IMO.

I wouldn't be surprised if several people fill out that questionnaire and say that they did see SM leaving alone. In the truck....

 

[Emma Peel]

LOL.

Okay, I'll pretend with some additional parameters:

I have red hair and the child is mine and I planned this in advance to get away with it.

I would absolutely have to plan it so that my child would NOT be seen with me when I was leaving. I would shore up my alibi.

I would want to be witnessed leaving WITHOUT my child - maybe make sure I spoke to someone on the way out. Would want it to be clear I'd left my child to the school's responsibility.

However, at that point, I would realize that once I left my child the building, I could not control who had seen my child or exactly what he encountered or any conversation he had on his way out to meet me on a busy day. If I left my child in the building - then I would no longer would have control of the witness trail. For example "Where ya goin' Kyron?" "My mom's waiting for me outside". BUSTED.

Conversely I would not send my child out ahead of me to the vehicle for the same reasons. I can't control any potential witnessing of my child outside if I'm inside.

Darn.

All I'm left with is secretly killing my own child somewhere private in the school, and then carrying him out in the box I brought his project in with. That seems like a lot of extra work and a lot of risk as well. Hmmmm...


After I thought it all through, I'd bail on this plan of abducting my own child from school because ... well...
...basically, it sucks.




It's all pretty desperate if you ask me. After walking through that exercise "being the mom", I think if one continues to look at Terri, this was a crappy plan and would mean she was quite desperate. I think LE better discover her strong motive for silencing this child - or no Terri theory is gonna fly.

 

[ClueMeIn]

the ford was reported to be having some mechanical difficulties days later

Alright, this has me lost!

 

[animefemme]

IMHO it wouldn't be difficult at all.

Regardless of who saw them, at what time, and where...none of this would seem out of the ordinary in the slightest. Skyline is a small, close-knit school from what I've gathered. Terri had volunteered/subbed/what-have-you, there in the past...even with her distinctive hair she would not have "stood out" to most of the people present that morning. A lot of them had probably seen Kyron with her before, so seeing him leave/get into the car with his mom wouldn't have raised any red flags to me.

It's the normal, everyday occurrences that we overlook or take for granted on a daily basis.

If I saw Kyron leave with an utter stranger...odd, yes. Leaving with mom? No.

 

[Astrella613]

One theory I have is that whatever happened, happened in the school. He was removed during the talent show when most of the school was busy with that or he is still in the school.

 

[grayjay]

Tell child you are going to go get something from the vehicle. Something he is sure to know where it is, and he might think you aren't quite so sure about.

Tell him to wait by the door, and you'll be right back. It'll only take a minute. You know he's not all that patient. You know he likes to be in charge. You just pretend you're looking for something in the vehicle for as long as this takes, and he'll come out to help you because he thinks you haven't found it and he's the smarty?

This behavior could be predicted by working on a similar scenario before this day.

 

[Emeralgem]

to me this changes a lot.
I had heard it wasn't raining, so I moved on from my first thought... which was...


that when it is rainy, most people are more worried about themselves getting from point a to point b that they do not pay much attention to people around them. Plus this was a day many were bringing in projects. So they were even more busy with their own activities to notice who was walking by them.
You add in some umbrellas, coats and bulky projects.

However..... I do want to point out... many said that not many were at school yet, but in the pictures, almost all the other kids have projects already set up. So was that done the day before?

BBM.. IMHO If the school did not open until 8:00 am the day of the SF set up for projects was scheduled for a time earlier than that specific day..JMO