How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?

[BeanE]

What if you dropped the child off & then exited the building to go to your car in the parking lot and had your child leave via the exit by his classroom and meet his father who is parked by the dirt road on Skyline Blvd?

I had thought about that too, and it's possible, but the distance the child would have to walk means time, and time means raised risk of being seen. The vehicle at the end of the dirt road also has a raised risk of being seen because it's in an unusual place, and for the length of time it takes for the child to walk up there.

I can't come up with a 'no risk' way, and I can't even come up with a 'low risk' way.

 

[RubyRed]

I think it's very probable that they used the exit at the bottom of the picture right onto the parking lot. I wonder if that exit is right down the steps from Kyron's class.

The pic of the stairs by Kyron's class shows the window looking out where the soccer nets are.

 

[Chili Fries]

But you raise the risk of being noticeable for having taken your vehicle around to that door, don't you? Risk of being noticeable driving back there, and risk of being noticeable driving out from there.

I''m assuming most people park in the parking lot, and that's where your vehicle would be least noticeable.

ETA: IIRC, Kyron's classroom is on the other end and other side of the building.

The exit I'm pointing out opens right out to the parking lot. LE statements may have implied that his classroom was on the south side of the building. Because the school sits at an angle with respect to North/South the parking lot exit could be considered on the south side of the school. I think the most logical explanation is that they walked out of his classroom, down the stairs, right out into the parking lot and got into the truck. That would only take a matter of seconds if she was parked near the exit in the parking lot.

 

[joshiesmom]

I think it was an unplanned burst of rage against a child she had built up resentment towards. Gettting out of school unnoticed happened by chance and worked in her favor in hindsight.

The question this raises in my mind, though, is if she resented Kyron so much, why would she go out of her way to help him with his science project and why would she volunteer her time to help out in his classroom?

 

[Chili Fries]

The pic of the stairs by Kyron's class shows the window looking out where the soccer nets are.

Thanks Ruby. Does anybody have a link to that picture?

 

[mrsjonnob]

If I had to work on a "TH did it' theory, I think I would have to assume it was a rage/snapping scenario. My kids are always forgetting books, papers, projects at home and at least once a week I hae to run back home to retrieve the forgotten item. More often than not it is my son with ADHD who forgot something and it gets vey frustrating. If Kyron forgot something he needed that day, maybe they ran home to get it and he couldn't find it, was making her late causing her to flip out.

moo

 

[RandomThoughts]

I can think of two different ways depending on if I am the parent or someone else. Even though I do know there are sick people in the world, I have a hard time understanding why anyone would do this, but here goes.

If I'm the child's parent and I've gone to other school activities then it wouldn't seem odd for me to be there. If I'm the parent and this was something I had been planning for a while I would pay more attention to the other people there than to the actual displays. If I saw that people were talking to other parents/children then I wouldn't do anything. If they were mostly interested in the displays then I would set my plan into further motion. I had already started the confusion the day/night before with the paperwork and mentioning of an appointment on Friday. If it doesn't work, then I can just say the teacher was confused because of her hearing problem and I meant next Friday, even if it does work I can still use the same line to get the blame off me. On the way back to classroom I would ask my child if they wanted to play a little game. I would say something along the lines of let's see who can get back to the truck/car by using different exits without anyone seeing either us and if someone does notice, just make something up, but don't tell them what we are doing. Your friends/classmates wouldn't think it was fair for you to skip school and not them. Whoever wins gets to chose what we do today. Then while my child is trying to get out without anyone seeing them I would just walk out a different exit, after all, I was done seeing what I wanted to, and who was going to think anything of me leaving? In the truck/car I would ask my child how they did, if anyone saw them, then I would say you lost so back to class you go.

For this one to work, I would have to be someone who doesn't have a cell phone, or be really like me and always be leaving it at home. If I'm the relative of a different child, then I would still have a reason to be there, and have probably been there for other school events. Let's say I know Kyron and his family, that I might even be thought of as a friend, and I had heard the conversation about the appointment the day/night before and TH didn't really clarify which Friday, but I knew it was for a different Friday, then I could use that to my advantage. As luck would have it, I happened to be there when the teacher gave the paperwork back to TH. I either wander around, keeping TH and Kyron in sight, just waiting for the right time to maybe happen, or I hang out near where they have to come back through. As luck would have it, TH doesn't walk Kyron all the way to class. After she's out of sight, I act like I wasn't standing where I had been, and act relieved to see Kyron, then tell him, I ran into your mom on her way out, she had just gotten a phone call that some other family member (any of them would work) was hurt and she and you have to get to the hospital right away. She already left and she's going to call the office to tell them that it's OK for me to get you and take you there for her. My car is parked in such and such a place, why don't you go out to it now and get in the back seat while I go tell your teacher and sign you out. Then I wait to make sure no one else has a chance to see Kyron and then hurry to which ever door would put me as having gone by the office. No big deal if someone has seen me, I would appear to have left by myself. If someone had seen him, I would come up with some lame excuse that I didn't check the back seat before getting in and I had no idea he had been in there, that he must have jumped out when I was at one of the other places I had been to that day.

 

[joshiesmom]

I had thought about that too, and it's possible, but the distance the child would have to walk means time, and time means raised risk of being seen. The vehicle at the end of the dirt road also has a raised risk of being seen because it's in an unusual place, and for the length of time it takes for the child to walk up there.

I can't come up with a 'no risk' way, and I can't even come up with a 'low risk' way.

Neither can I.

I also can't come up with a motive SM would have had to kill Kyron.

 

[BeanE]

I think it would have been easy for someone other than TH to get him out of the school, assuming he was unconscious or deceased... I keep imagining him inside a large rolling trash can or canvas cart on wheels. with a lid or cover over it, it would be a piece of cake to move a child who isn't struggling and any employee of the school to freely move such an item around without raising eyebrows.
He could have been transported to another part of the school, to a dumpster or car.

I'm very close to concluding that the only way Kyron could have come out of the school is unconscious or deceased.

 

[violet67]

I think the poster you were quoting meant that they were helping a friend (of theirs, nothing to do with the Horman truck).

yeah i think they probably were...just for me it happened to create a little bit of a lightbulb moment as to what might have possibly happened in regards to kyron leaving the school undetected...sorry i know it sounds OT but there was a method to my thinking process (its just a little cryptic) i am sensitive to media spin and it just seems there is little to much public fingerpointing at TH and it might be part of a bigger stragety to get someone else to talk...sorry... i am probably not making much sense

 

[liz b.]

I'm parking as close as possible to the path to the south entrance, I'm exiting the south entrance, and the child is also exiting the south entrance.

That's how I'm minimizing being noticeable. The problem is, I've got both myself and the child walking from the south entrance door to my vehicle and that's just too much chance either he or I am going to be seen, and that just doesn't work for me.

I can't feasibly get both myself and a child to my vehicle, not with the child alive. I just plain don't see how to do it without one of us being seen. With the people coming and going, it's just too hugely coincidental that neither of us would be seen.

Yes, I agree ; it's not really feasable. Not feasable that NO ONE at all would have seen SM ,or his father, leaving with Kyron.

All JMO

 

[Calliope]

I'll work on this, not ready yet to post a scenario.

But I'd like to point out that Kyron's classroom was on the side of the building with the exit leading out to the field (where you see soccer goals lined up). I think that his classroom was near the unsecured "south" exit was reported in error.

If you look at the photo of the janitor, you notice the windows in the stairwell. Since we can't look down out of those windows, we don't know if there is a parking lot (as on one side of the school) or a field (as is on the other side of the school).

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However, if you look at the first and third aerial shots in this post, you can see only the exit on the side of the field has those windows above it. (and IMO the large section of building that exits into the parking lot is a gym/cafeteria; makes sense to have the lot there where there would be meetings and events so that people aren't walking through classroom areas to get to and from their vehicles) So the stairwell next to his class exits onto that field. This would also explain it not being secured---and maybe not even locked from the outside. If kids are out there and have to get into the building in a hurry, you don't want them locked out.

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What I truly believe played into his disappearance is the dirt/gravel drive coming off the main road and leading right up to the side of the building --- and that exit.

 

[BeanE]

The exit I'm pointing out opens right out to the parking lot. LE statements may have implied that his classroom was on the south side of the building. Because the school sits at an angle with respect to North/South the parking lot exit could be considered on the south side of the school. I think the most logical explanation is that they walked out of his classroom, down the stairs, right out into the parking lot and got into the truck. That would only take a matter of seconds if she was parked near the exit in the parking lot.

Across from the dumpsters? Or am I in the wrong place?

 

[Emeralgem]

I think the poster you were quoting meant that they were helping a friend (of theirs, nothing to do with the Horman truck).

If the poster is a local how do we know for certain when she stated she was helping a friend who was having car trouble she wasn't referring to the Horman truck? JMO

 

[joshiesmom]

This will be my first attempt so here goes.

First, I am some one that isn't out of place there. I either work there, teach there, I belong there because of the fair or talent show (a parent dropping off my kids) so I am not considered a stranger.

I know the school has no cameras, that's big for me.

I don't have a criminal record or one anyone would know about.
I am not a level 3 SO, so I don't come up there.

I bring in a bag, duffel bag, because everyone is carrying things in and out. Maybe it's box, but I think a duffel bag.

I wait in the bathroom, after I drop my kid off or deliver something, or what ever my purpose it there, I head to the boy's bathroom. Has to be when the bell is ready to ring. Most kids are in class. But I know from being there that there is always one kid at some point alone in the bathroom. Today was the day.

When the right kid comes in, I pull out my tasser and put him out and into the duffel bag, and get out the door.

I go to my car, parked close to a doorway, not a main door, but a side door, and threw my bag in the trunk or van and off I go.

This is a scenario that seems plausible to me and much more-likely than any of the scenarios where the stepmom did it.

 

[BeanE]

This is a scenario that seems plausible to me and much more-likely than any of the scenarios where the stepmom did it.

It's one of the most feasible to me too.

 

[TGIRecovered]

I've been thinking of this one I'll call "The Seinfeld Theory."

Did you ever see that episode where George is either fired or quits his job - then he realizes he's screwed up - so he just goes back to work the next day like nothing ever happened. He thinks it will just throw everyone for a loop - they won't realize that it was serious or something - and things will just go on like normal.

Could she have really legitimately taken up Kyron for some reason, without a real plan - but then something happened - and she freaked out and came up with this George Costanza plan - and by chance it has somewhat worked?

The teacher and school are scratching their heads like George's colleagues - thinking "I could have sworn he left with his mom..."

Hope that makes sense.

Could we call this "Costanza's Razor"?:takeabow:

 

[Skully]

But you raise the risk of being noticeable for having taken your vehicle around to that door, don't you? Risk of being noticeable driving back there, and risk of being noticeable driving out from there.

I''m assuming most people park in the parking lot, and that's where your vehicle would be least noticeable.

ETA: IIRC, Kyron's classroom is on the other end and other side of the building.

If you render the victim unconscious you could put him in a box, duffel bag, garbage bag, trash can, any number of items. If you look like a janitor, you could be just taking out trash, if you are a parent, teacher, worker, you could use a box or duffel bag as it was a day for bring things in and out to the cars. I am thinking someone other than SM, because I think he was approached in a bathroom. Or a classroom, someplace with a bit of cover. Some of the class rooms were used for displays, Yes?

 

[Skully]

It's one of the most feasible to me too.

BeanE,

I know how bold SO are when they want a child. One came up and knocked on the door for me, after I got away. He later came back to my home and came into our garage to hang out with my brother and his friends. They asked who he was and why was he there? My parents at that point were out. He tried to get into our home that night by asking to use the bathroom. My brother was smart enough to tell him to leave. I was 8 and he was 18.

When they want a child, they are relentless.

 

[Emma Peel]

What's likely is that people saw something relative to Kyron, or to Terri, or Kyron and Terri together, or possibly the truck ... - BUT, they didn't think it was important or out of the ordinary. Whatever they saw did not register.

Hustle, bustle, but pretty ordinary science fair day ...

LE's making it pretty clear that it's important that they try very hard to remember.

Two weeks later, how valid is any recollection, really?

These questions needed to be asked 1st weekend. I would think they were, given the FBI team in place.

This flyer thing is all very strange, at least it is looking at it from the outside here.