How to get yourself & a child out of the school and into a vehicle?

[BeanE]

exactly what i have been thinking all along. a giant trash can or wheeled cart. Both are always out in the Cafegymatorium at my kids' school.

A man wheeling one of those big trash cans or a cart would not be noticeable to me hardly at all. It's enough a part of a normal school scenario that I doubt it would catch my eye at all. A woman wheeling one would be more noticeable to me than a man I think, and *might* catch my eye.

I can't help but wonder though in the scenarios like this or carrying a duffel bag why LE didn't put on the questionnaire, "Did you see anyone carrying a large bag, a rolled up rug, or similar item, or wheeling a trash can or cart?".

I just can't make up my mind on the ways in which this was most likely to have happened.

 

[scandi]

One theory I have is that whatever happened, happened in the school. He was removed during the talent show when most of the school was busy with that or he is still in the school.

Haven't we read that TH was home on her FB during the time of talent show? If so she wasn't the person who left the school with him.

 

[debs]

The talent show was later in the day. The science fair was going on when Kyron was reported to have been seen last.

 

[momtective]

I think I could get myself and my child out of the school just like I had on every other occasion when both he and I had exited the building and gotten in our car/truck...just like 100's of other parents have and do on a daily basis. You just walk straight out the door just like on any other normal day. Who notices normal? Most people don't and that's why most train/auto accidents involve people who have lived near the tracks all their lives...they're so use to hearing the train that they just don't hear it anymore. No one noticed Kyron leaving because it wasn't anything unusual...kids leave with their parents all the time and unless something out of the ordinary attracts their attention, people rarely notice.
I would say he left with someone that everyone was accustomed to seeing him with, thus nothing alarming or unusual about it...just a normal day.

 

[BeanE]

There is barely enough room for about 50 cars in that parking lot, so anyone coming TO the school would be more focused on finding a place to park than watching people walking around.

IMO

I agree that other than looking at any people who may be in the way of where you're driving, you're looking for a space, looking for someone to pull out, looking somebody is close enough to pull in the space you want before you do lol.

At school events, once I parked, I was definitely looking around at the adults, though, to see if there was a parent or teacher I knew to say hello and maybe catch up on things. So far as I can remember, I was not looking as much for children I knew to say hello to, because I saw them and said hello every day picking up and dropping off my son. That adults though, I was definitely looking at.

 

[BeanE]

I think I could get myself and my child out of the school just like I had on every other occasion when both he and I had exited the building and gotten in our car/truck...just like 100's of other parents have and do on a daily basis. You just walk straight out the door just like on any other normal day. Who notices normal? Most people don't and that's why most train/auto accidents involve people who have lived near the tracks all their lives...they're so use to hearing the train that they just don't hear it anymore. No one noticed Kyron leaving because it wasn't anything unusual...kids leave with their parents all the time and unless something out of the ordinary attracts their attention, people rarely notice.
I would say he left with someone that everyone was accustomed to seeing him with, thus nothing alarming or unusual about it...just a normal day.

If you were on your way to kill your child, would you take that risk though? Remember, if just one person sees you, you're toast.

 

[debs]

If you were on your way to kill your child, would you take that risk though? Remember, if just one person sees you, you're toast.

If you were on your way to kill your child, why do all that work on a science project?

 

[TobyWong*]

"mom, i forgot my frog for my science project!!!"

"ok, let's just run back home and get it, we'll be back before school starts."

For me this is the only way, if they were both seen at school that morning. I've had to do it w/ my kids, the side door is closer to the parking lot than going back to the front door we came in (at my son's school) so we have run right out and no one sees us leave.

Is it possible the science fair pic was taken the previous night after they set it up? Or is it known that it was set up the am of his disappearence? I've wondered if I were walking in my son's school if people would assume my son was with me, it would seem a logical reason for me to there. Did anyone that witnessed SM and Kyron there in the morning saw them standing together or is it one talked or saw SM but did"nt speak to Kyron. Looking around at my son's school picnic, I saw what I thought were 4 "Kyrons" Same hair color, style, glasses, grin. I'm just wonder out loud if it's possible the SM showed up at school alone that morning?

 

[Donjeta]

How many people were there? If there was a crowd and lots of people constantly coming and going and milling about it might be relatively easy just to get lost in the crowd. You can't be absolutely sure that you won't be noticed but if you're not doing anything out of the ordinary to attract attention the chances are that people won't pay particular attention to you. Conversely, you might just pick a quiet moment when most of the crowd are in the classrooms and looking at the displays.

If I'm a non-family perp and able to subdue the child quietly I would just look like a janitor and take him out in a garbage can. Otherwise I might like to wait for the talent show to begin for everybody to be there but unless I'm very confident that nobody in this school will never worry about a child that disappears in the middle of the schoolday I would worry that he will be searched for before the show. If I have heard that he has an appointment for today I'll be very quick because I'll believe he'll be missed when his mom comes to pick him up.

 

[xosugar]

If you were on your way to kill your child, why do all that work on a science project?

To keep up appearances

 

[carbuff]

If the parking lot is that small, does that mean people park on the street and walk up the hill to the school?

 

[Donjeta]

Haven't we read that TH was home on her FB during the time of talent show? If so she wasn't the person who left the school with him.

Not to say she did have one but just theoretically, if you had an accomplice you could get them to play games on FB using your password and use it as an alibi.

 

[momtective]

If you were on your way to kill your child, would you take that risk though? Remember, if just one person sees you, you're toast.

deny, deny, deny...:crazy:

 

[STEADFAST]

I think that is the south side of the bldg on the right. The north side would be where the larger white roof is. So west would be what you are saying is north, eight? lol and IMO

No, you can look at the top left hand corner and see the orientation. (The pic we're looking at has been turned so that the bird's eye view will show that back parking lot.) North is at the bottom, south at the top, east to the left, west to the right.
The playing field is west of the school. The road is south of the school.


Here's the school zoomed in on in Bing maps without any rotation, so that it's orientation remains north at top.

 

[violet67]

A man wheeling one of those big trash cans or a cart would not be noticeable to me hardly at all. It's enough a part of a normal school scenario that I doubt it would catch my eye at all. A woman wheeling one would be more noticeable to me than a man I think, and *might* catch my eye.

I can't help but wonder though in the scenarios like this or carrying a duffel bag why LE didn't put on the questionnaire, "Did you see anyone carrying a large bag, a rolled up rug, or similar item, or wheeling a trash can or cart?".

I just can't make up my mind on the ways in which this was most likely to have happened.

this is a good conjecture but..i work in an elementary school with demographics very similar to this school (bit smaller school pop. but we only go k-7). Everyone knows exactly who the custodial staff are and most of the school delivery people as well. Someone wheeling a large trash can or similar container would totally stand out...and as others have theorized - i believe the displays for the the science fair were set up the day before otherwise it would be chaos

 

[debs]

I know that I couldn't pull off acting nonchalant if in my head I was thinking of how to kill a child. Someone would be able to say right away "That debs, she was a little freaky that day." I can't quite put her into the role of a stone cold killer b!tch who could kill a child, post on FB, have a play date for her daughter with a friend and then stand around at a bus stop waiting for the child she's just killed to come home.

I have to disallow an incredible amount of love and concern she has shown for this child over the years. It shows in the pictures. I cannot make it compute.

Yes, I'm aware that people snap. But we're attempting to make this snap happen in such a small window of time, in public, with hundreds of people around. Talk about beginner's luck!!!!

Who has reason to hate a child like that? A woman whose life centers around him? Or someone who has reason to resent her spending that much time with a child, who believes that they rightly deserve her attention?

 

[nas212913]

OK, I've been following this case so closely so I'll play too.

The other day my daughter had her 5th grade graduation ceremony at school. I got into the cafeteria, picked a seat, sat down, fiddled with my camera, fiddled with my umbrella (it was supposed to rain), fiddled with my toddler, and waited for the ceremony. After it was over, I took pictures of my daughter, said hi to a few people I knew, and walked out the door.

I have no idea what parent drove what car, I have no idea what parent had a small child with them, I have no idea why people were standing around the parking lot, etc., etc. I wanted to get in and get out. Lots of parents were taking their kids home with them. I don't know who they were or why.

It's the end of the year. People are going on vacation, classes aren't filled with academics; just busy work and things to take up the day....movies, crafts, whatever.

IMO, IF the SM removed Kyron from school that day, it was a simple "go look at the other stuff and meet me back at the car at 9:00". She waited, he got in the car, they left. No one noticed because no one was really paying attention to what was going on. Yeah, people have to be aware of their surroundings, but this was a school. People don't expect this type of thing to go on at a school. They feel safe and secure.

If someone saw him getting into the car, they would've ignored it. She was known around school so who would suspect she POSSIBLY do something like this. IF she did it, it was the perfect day. Too much going on for anyone to really say "hey, where is that kid going?". JMO.

 

[human]

1. That south exit by the driveway and sidewalk appears to have no windows and no windows for quite a ways.

2. If the janitor wanted the missing child, why would he put the child into a garbage can which would kill him? No oxygen or I suppose he could have made a special one for the occasion.

I would imagine a perp like that would want a live child.

 

[akashana]

My theory is that she tells Kyron that they will leave and go get a tree frog at the pet store, which doesn't open until 9 a.m., so they first go to the school and set up the project, take their photos and make casual contact with someone there to establish their presence. Then all she has to do is ask him to go out to the truck, where she will meet him after she lets his teacher know what's going on and that they are leaving, but will be right back. Of course that doesn't happen.

She then has him in the truck. Alone.

 

[violet67]

OK, I've been following this case so closely so I'll play too.

The other day my daughter had her 5th grade graduation ceremony at school. I got into the cafeteria, picked a seat, sat down, fiddled with my camera, fiddled with my umbrella (it was supposed to rain), fiddled with my toddler, and waited for the ceremony. After it was over, I took pictures of my daughter, said hi to a few people I knew, and walked out the door.

I have no idea what parent drove what car, I have no idea what parent had a small child with them, I have no idea why people were standing around the parking lot, etc., etc. I wanted to get in and get out. Lots of parents were taking their kids home with them. I don't know who they were or why.

It's the end of the year. People are going on vacation, classes aren't filled with academics; just busy work and things to take up the day....movies, crafts, whatever.

IMO, IF the SM removed Kyron from school that day, it was a simple "go look at the other stuff and meet me back at the car at 9:00". She waited, he got in the car, they left. No one noticed because no one was really paying attention to what was going on. Yeah, people have to be aware of their surroundings, but this was a school. People don't expect this type of thing to go on at a school. They feel safe and secure.

If someone saw him getting into the car, they would've ignored it. She was known around school so who would suspect she POSSIBLY do something like this. IF she did it, it was the perfect day. Too much going on for anyone to really say "hey, where is that kid going?". JMO.

i think it is really helpful to look at what was going on from every perspective. Yours is right on coming from a parent point of view. I am a school support staff person. This year i am not student-specific so if i were at this school my job would have been to go up and down the halls and poke my head into classrooms making sure there was nothing disruptive going on. I am sure this school has a few similar support staff people as well as volunteer parents who would be doing the same - focusing on people rather than the projects. Although the sceanrio of a sexual predator is a probability i just personally don't get that vibe here. That being said....someone took this poor kid...you have to look at every possible angle