I think Tommy is being set up.

[azwriter]

I don't know if anyone else feels this way but I kinda feel like they(as in Misty and Ron) are trying to make it seem like Tommy had something to do with it. I believe that he went over there to check on Misty that night and found they weren't home. Beyond that I don't think he had anything to do with Haleigh going missing. JMO

This was on the Nancy Grace Facebook Page:



IDK why but I just don't think he had anything to do with it & I believe him when he says they are lying.

WillenFan, I watched NG tonight and the jail house tapes and it seems to me the line where Tommy says he does not have anything to say and that he thinks they are all a bunch of liars, he is referring to the cops or the detectives being liars.
Of course, the way Nancy has it quoted on her Facebook page, that quote is made to look as if he's talking about Ron and Misty.
But, I took it as his feelings about talking with LE.
To add: I'm with you, I don't think he knows much more than his visit to the motor home that evening.

 

[Kimster]

I don't know if Tommy knows what happened or not. He doesn't appear to know, but then he says he loves his sister.

As far as what I've been able to ascertain about this bunch, they all cover up for each other.

Poor Haleigh! Won't one of them think of her before themselves? You guys don't need to answer that...we all feel the same way.

 

[Dion]

Didn't Tommy go to the MH that night because Ron called and asked him to go and check on Misty?

If that was the case, then there should be phone records stating the time that Ron called and presumably another call from Tommy to Ron saying that no one was there.

If it's true that Ron called Tommy that night, then it doesn't sound like he (TC) was involved in whatever activity that may have been taking place outside the MH that night.

 

[Maryann123]

I don't know how much Tommy had to do with it, cover-up or whatever, but the rat in the mailbox tells me Ron didn't want him to rat about something...what that was, who knows?

Remember when Ronald used the quote from the Godfather, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer? Well, also from the Godfather, there's the scene with the horses head is placed in the bed with one of the mobsters. That was a warning, that they could get him at anytime and anyplace. (his message to Tommy) Wonder if he will ever make LE an offer they can't refuse? :bang:

 

[Maryann123]

Didn't Tommy go to the MH that night because Ron called and asked him to go and check on Misty?

If that was the case, then there should be phone records stating the time that Ron called and presumably another call from Tommy to Ron saying that no one was there.

If it's true that Ron called Tommy that night, then it doesn't sound like he (TC) was involved in whatever activity that may have been taking place outside the MH that night.

Exactly! And if Ronald didn't call him, why would he ever place himself at the scene of the crime. No one saw him there, so why bring it up?

 

[Scorpian]

And because they did land their sorry butts in jail, I fear we may never know what happened.

If there was evidence of ANY kind linking ANY ONE to Haleighs dissapearance, they would be charged by now. A year later, nuthin. Trafficing charges.

I hope we don't have to settle with only the fact that the people responsible are in jail, but never finding out the truth.

I have to believe LE knows what they are doing, however, I fear that we may never know what happened. With all these serious charges I can't see any of them coming clean. They have nothing to lose.

I wonder why LE didn't stop the transactions sooner and arrest them sooner. They (LE) seemed to want to get all of them...Why not stop at 3 or 4 transactions with MC? Why go on, that in itself is enough for a first time criminal to get a good amount of time w/ traficking. What exactly is LE after? If it is about HC I don't see it.

And yes, if LE had all of this stuff before these transactions why not arrest them, detain them, interogate them, pressure them or anything? Why use this? When they know this has been going on for quite some time and nothing was done. I just don't get it. :banghead:

 

[Whisperer]

They had to wait till misty turned 18...imo.

Arresting, interogating, pressuring them has not happened because they have Defense Attorneys.

.....the fact they both hired separate attorneys right out of the gate tells you they are BOTH (rc and m) involved.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I really don't think Misty or Ron would have kept quiet for this long, in jail, if there was anyone else they could blame for Haleigh's disappearance (including any of Misty's family members). Misty wants out of jail bad and she has had no problem throwing her brother under the bus, in the past. The first thing she did, when she was thrown in jail, was rat out her brother on the burglaries.

Misty has been giving her opinion, about her brother's possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance, from early on...IIRC. I think Ron has encouraged Misty to point the finger at her brother. JMO though.

 

[Gracenote]

Remember when Ronald used the quote from the Godfather, keep your friends close, but your enemies closer? Well, also from the Godfather, there's the scene with the horses head is placed in the bed with one of the mobsters. That was a warning, that they could get him at anytime and anyplace. (his message to Tommy) Wonder if he will ever make LE an offer they can't refuse? :bang:

Hmm, if the Godfather is Ron's favorite book (or movie more likely) it might be worth looking at it from start to finish to see if he copied anything else from it. Did they dispose of bodies in it? It has been so long since I read it I can't remember. It was really excellent, though.

Which character said the line about friends/enemies?

 

[Suthrnqt]

They had to wait till misty turned 18...imo.

Arresting, interogating, pressuring them has not happened because they have Defense Attorneys.

.....the fact they both hired separate attorneys right out of the gate tells you they are BOTH involved.

I've always thought they were both involved. Has anyone ever considered that Ron took Haleigh's body to werk and disposed of her at the factory or along the way to werk ?? Also, when Ron has Tommy "go check" on misty, maybe he was needed to help clean up the crime scene. Just thinking out loud here.

 

[Emeralgem]

Hmm, if the Godfather is Ron's favorite book (or movie more likely) it might be worth looking at it from start to finish to see if he copied anything else from it. Did they dispose of bodies in it? It has been so long since I read it I can't remember. It was really excellent, though.

Which character said the line about friends/enemies?

O/T...Michael Corleone. It was advice from his father, but we never hear Vito (Marlon Brando) say it.

 

[Skully]

I've always thought they were both involved. Has anyone ever considered that Ron took Haleigh's body to werk and disposed of her at the factory or along the way to werk ?? Also, when Ron has Tommy "go check" on misty, maybe he was needed to help clean up the crime scene. Just thinking out loud here.

This has been throw out by many long time posters here. I think Papa was one of them. PDM has never been searched as far as we know. There is a cemetery on the way to Ron's work. If I wanted to give my child some kind of decent burial and had to hide a body, I would put it on cemetery grounds. What better way to hide a body, who looks there. Just one more thing to consider.

 

[elle1919]

Tommy did not tell Law Enforcement that he went over to 202 Green Lane on February 9 2009 back in the beginning of this case because he is hiding something, and it is a fact that he withheld that information from investigators.

link: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...asnt_home_the_night_haleigh_cummings_vanished

snip~Bowling said it is the first time anyone has said they went to the mobile home after Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes left about 7:30 p.m. “He told us he banged on the door,” Bowling said. “He said it was dark and no lights were on.” Detectives were told no one came to the door. “It is surprising that someone would hold that information,” Bowling said.


Is he hiding the fact that he is a criminal burglar? Is he hiding the fact that he has a drug addiction and perhaps 202 Green lane was feeding it? Who knows but He was hiding something, an innocent man does not obstruct a missing child investigation! Everyone is Satsuma was looking for Haleigh Cummings people, come on! Tommy just forgot that he held an important detail like that? Now way! Not in my opinion.

Further more Major Bowling went on to say that the information was being released TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION.

link~http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

snip~We believe that releasing some of the information we’ve found out advances the investigation. And particularly the way that we think this will advance it is that Misty’s family now knows about this information that I’m telling you now about Hank. We hope that the family or maybe Misty by her own conscience, if there is a discrepancy, that if she was indeed not home or she wants to explain why Hank banged on the door, with no response we want to hear Misty’s side of that, said Major Bowling.
Major Bowling went on to say that on the Saturday following the interview with Hank Jr., Misty voluntarily came into the Sheriffs Office for questioning. But, he says she did not talk discuss Hank Jr.s interview.~ end ~snip

Hank JR has been lying and covering up since day one! How can that be considered a set up? If he would have told investigators this information on February 10th perhaps it wouldn't have been too late to uncover Haleigh's where-a-bouts. No set up in my opinion. If there is he set his own self up...and he is going to take his own self down.

 

[balaney]

Possibly Misty left that evening and Tommy knew it. He took that opportunity to enter the MH and steal (money, drugs, guns, whatever). Haleigh woke up and saw him, he had to keep her quiet or Ron would kill him.

I believe Haleigh is at the bottom of a pond or lake in a bag with the same type of brick used to prop the back door open.

 

[elle1919]

Possibly Misty left that evening and Tommy knew it. He took that opportunity to enter the MH and steal (money, drugs, guns, whatever). Haleigh woke up and saw him, he had to keep her quiet or Ron would kill him.

I believe Haleigh is at the bottom of a pond or lake in a bag with the same type of brick used to prop the back door open.

I agree with you to a degree, I think that Haleigh was put in the dumpster(yes that ol thing) with the blue van( reason for the scratch all up the side) until she could be placed into the St Johns River at a more discreet and darker hour. JMO

 

[suspicious1]

I really don't think Misty or Ron would have kept quiet for this long, in jail, if there was anyone else they could blame for Haleigh's disappearance (including any of Misty's family members). Misty wants out of jail bad and she has had no problem throwing her brother under the bus, in the past. The first thing she did, when she was thrown in jail, was rat out her brother on the burglaries.

Misty has been giving her opinion, about her brother's possible involvement in Haleigh's disappearance, from early on...IIRC. I think Ron has encouraged Misty to point the finger at her brother. JMO though.

I always wondered why Misty kept throwing her brother under the bus. I think that is Misty's way of getting out the dirt on her brother SO when and if he does talk and tell what he knows about Misty and Ron, she can say he is just retalliating against her for telling on him. She just tried to beat him to the punch, IMO. She just seems like that kinda girl.

I believe that Tommy is being set up too but it's to take the blame all by himself, when I think he only played a small role that night.

 

[Maryann123]

Tommy did not tell Law Enforcement that he went over to 202 Green Lane on February 9 2009 back in the beginning of this case because he is hiding something, and it is a fact that he withheld that information from investigators.

link: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...asnt_home_the_night_haleigh_cummings_vanished

snip~Bowling said it is the first time anyone has said they went to the mobile home after Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes left about 7:30 p.m. “He told us he banged on the door,” Bowling said. “He said it was dark and no lights were on.” Detectives were told no one came to the door. “It is surprising that someone would hold that information,” Bowling said.


Is he hiding the fact that he is a criminal burglar? Is he hiding the fact that he has a drug addiction and perhaps 202 Green lane was feeding it? Who knows but He was hiding something, an innocent man does not obstruct a missing child investigation! Everyone is Satsuma was looking for Haleigh Cummings people, come on! Tommy just forgot that he held an important detail like that? Now way! Not in my opinion.

Further more Major Bowling went on to say that the information was being released TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION.

link~http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

snip~We believe that releasing some of the information we’ve found out advances the investigation. And particularly the way that we think this will advance it is that Misty’s family now knows about this information that I’m telling you now about Hank. We hope that the family or maybe Misty by her own conscience, if there is a discrepancy, that if she was indeed not home or she wants to explain why Hank banged on the door, with no response we want to hear Misty’s side of that, said Major Bowling.
Major Bowling went on to say that on the Saturday following the interview with Hank Jr., Misty voluntarily came into the Sheriffs Office for questioning. But, he says she did not talk discuss Hank Jr.s interview.~ end ~snip

Hank JR has been lying and covering up since day one! How can that be considered a set up? If he would have told investigators this information on February 10th perhaps it wouldn't have been too late to uncover Haleigh's where-a-bouts. No set up in my opinion. If there is he set his own self up...and he is going to take his own self down.

I think you have a valid point. It it was months later, (September or October) I read somewhere, before he told this. At this point it was well known that Ronald's phone calls were being looked at. If Ronald did make that phone call it could be verified, and if he didn't, that could be verified as well. Maybe he never brought this up, because it would be incriminating to Misty. The whole family seems to try to protect her, but she certainly doesn't have the same loyalty towards them.

 

[TxLady2]

And because they did land their sorry butts in jail, I fear we may never know what happened.

If there was evidence of ANY kind linking ANY ONE to Haleighs dissapearance, they would be charged by now. A year later, nuthin. Trafficing charges.

I hope we don't have to settle with only the fact that the people responsible are in jail, but never finding out the truth.

Not exactly true. It takes more than just ANY evidence linking someone to a crime to bring charges against them. LE can't take any chances on it being thrown out, because they can't go back and redo it if the crime is homicide.
Being in jail may not have helped... so far... but I'm not sure I agree that it has hurt all that much. We're hearing things we probably would not have heard otherwise, so try to imagine what's on the parts of the tapes that LE is not releasing yet.

 

[elle1919]

I think you have a valid point. It it was months later, (September or October) I read somewhere, before he told this. At this point it was well known that Ronald's phone calls were being looked at. If Ronald did make that phone call it could be verified, and if he didn't, that could be verified as well. Maybe he never brought this up, because it would be incriminating to Misty. The whole family seems to try to protect her, but she certainly doesn't have the same loyalty towards them.

Hi there and Good Morning to ya!

yes, it was back around the end of September ( article states 9/23/09), 7 whole months, doesn't make sense to me. Personally I don't think it was Misty that he was trying to protect by with-holding that information, Misty may have been MIA( passed out, knocked out, or really out of the trailer) but I truly don't think she knows where "they" took Haleigh. I feel Tommy may have had a pretty darn good idea who "they" were (perhaps even was involved) and that is who he was protecting.

Ronald stated that he did call over to the Croslin's on Tyler, but DID NOT ask Hank jr to go over and check on Misty, per T Shoemaker. I seem to recall that Law Enforcement however stated that phone records did show he phoned the Croslins, IIRC. Why and when weren't confirmed to my knowledge. Remember it was Timmy C....not Hank jr that Misty phoned 1st at 3:15 am that early morning, not RC, and not 911.

 

[suspicious1]

Tommy did not tell Law Enforcement that he went over to 202 Green Lane on February 9 2009 back in the beginning of this case because he is hiding something, and it is a fact that he withheld that information from investigators.

link: http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/...asnt_home_the_night_haleigh_cummings_vanished

snip~Bowling said it is the first time anyone has said they went to the mobile home after Cummings’ grandmother Annette Sykes left about 7:30 p.m. “He told us he banged on the door,” Bowling said. “He said it was dark and no lights were on.” Detectives were told no one came to the door. “It is surprising that someone would hold that information,” Bowling said.


Is he hiding the fact that he is a criminal burglar? Is he hiding the fact that he has a drug addiction and perhaps 202 Green lane was feeding it? Who knows but He was hiding something, an innocent man does not obstruct a missing child investigation! Everyone is Satsuma was looking for Haleigh Cummings people, come on! Tommy just forgot that he held an important detail like that? Now way! Not in my opinion.

Further more Major Bowling went on to say that the information was being released TO FURTHER THE INVESTIGATION.

link~http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/cummings_case/092209_haleigh_cummings

snip~We believe that releasing some of the information we’ve found out advances the investigation. And particularly the way that we think this will advance it is that Misty’s family now knows about this information that I’m telling you now about Hank. We hope that the family or maybe Misty by her own conscience, if there is a discrepancy, that if she was indeed not home or she wants to explain why Hank banged on the door, with no response we want to hear Misty’s side of that, said Major Bowling.
Major Bowling went on to say that on the Saturday following the interview with Hank Jr., Misty voluntarily came into the Sheriffs Office for questioning. But, he says she did not talk discuss Hank Jr.s interview.~ end ~snip

Hank JR has been lying and covering up since day one! How can that be considered a set up? If he would have told investigators this information on February 10th perhaps it wouldn't have been too late to uncover Haleigh's where-a-bouts. No set up in my opinion. If there is he set his own self up...and he is going to take his own self down.

We know that Ron called Tommy that night supposedly looking for Misty. I just don't believe that the phone call Ron made to him was about looking for Misty. I think Ron was just mad that Misty stop answering her phone that evening, not that he couldn't find her, just she wouldn't answer the phone.
What we don't know is the conversation Ron had with Hank. I keep thinking about the timeline.
3:45-5p Hank Jr is at the mh "visiting"
7p-8p Grandma Sykes is at the mh "dropping off laundry"
8:30p- Misty and Ron have an argument over the phone "about babysitting"
8:45p-9p Ron calls Hank "looking for Misty"
9:45-10p Hank is at the mh supposedly "no one home"
Hank says that he waited around for awhile for either Misty to open the door or come home

Now, the problem I have with Hank saying he went to check on his sister and waited around is this: Ron's call to Hank is not about looking for Misty because in the first article that you provided a link for it says:

<snipped>
Ronald Cummings’ attorney said Tuesday that Cummings did not ask Croslin to check where she was and had been in touch with her during the evening.

So why call Hank?

Something happened to Haleigh earlier that day, I don't know what it was, but I think that Haleigh took a turn for the worse that evening. TN said that she had to send over a relative (GMS/The Nurse). That would mean TN had gotten wind of what happened to Haleigh prior to this and because she was so far away at the time of the call, TN felt the need to call and send over someone closer which was Grandma Sykes. Was the aunt/nurse over at Grandma Sykes house when TN called or was the aunt/nurse called to assist Grandma Sykes in the trip over to the mh? Either way, something was going on with Haleigh then. After that, Misty and Ron get into an argument over the phone, not about babysitting IMO, but about the events surrounding Haleigh.
Ron then feels the need to call Hank. Once again, what did he call him for?
IMO, it was to assist in some way with the events surrounding Haleigh. I don't think that it was to dispose of Haleigh but yet to play some other small part and that was the reason Hank supposedly "waited around for awhile". It took Hank 45mins to an hour to get around to the mh. He only lives about 5mins away, so to me he was not in a hurry. I wonder if Misty left with Grandma Sykes/TN that evening and Ron told Hank that info? I wonder if Ron told Hank something like "She'll (Misty) will be back in about an hour" or "Meet Misty at my house in about an hour".That would explain why Hank waited so long to go around there and wait around for awhile. Misty wasn't home but Hank knew that she was on her way back to the mh. I don't believe he went around there to break in because why would he wait so long to go around there? If he was going around there to break in why not go when you first got the call saying no one was home? He waited almost an hour.

After the LE interview with Hank, didn't they find those marijuana plants at the Mondex? Maybe that was the part that Hank played...getting rid of the drugs/evidence. Maybe Hank told them this in the same interview that revealed he was at the mh.

IMO Tommy is being set up to take ALL the BLAME not just his small part in it.
But you can't tell me Ron don't know what happened to his daughter.