FrayedKnot
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Hi, sis! :innocent:
Stop following me! MO-OOO-OOM! She's doooooing it again!
Hi, sis! :innocent:
<snipped for space> If Elizabeth stopped and talked with people every night, why haven't others come forward with the same information? <snipped>
It doesn't ring true for me that Elizabeth rode her bike by the house every night and that she stopped to talk with people. That's not what we've heard in other reports. I recall that Elizabeth had ridden her bike once to the lake with the neighbor children, but she was typically not allowed to ride to the lake. If Elizabeth stopped and talked with people every night, why haven't others come forward with the same information?
"Carpenter, who lives north of the lake, said he saw the girls between 12 and 3 p.m. while he was outside watering his yard.
"I was out watering my yard between 12 and 3:00 and the girls rode their bikes right by our house," Carpenter said.
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"I broke down for the first time because I was so used to, especially Elizabeth, seeing her every night ride her bicycle and she always stopped and talked to people. She was a friendly little girl," Marcella Carpenter said. "You know, it's hard when you've got a grandchild the same age."
http://www.kwqc.com/story/19044405/witness-said-he-saw-missing-iowa-girls-after-their-disappearance
Doesn't Mr. C live on a corner? Is it possible he saw the girls pass just as the cctv captured their image? He said they were traveling fast.
ETA: Never mind. I see HollyBlue's post regarding opposite direction.
Ok google maps has 1.1 miles from Cornbelt Auctions to Lake Ave.
Shortest route - straight down S Evans.
Time - 4 minutes.
Not sure how to post the damn thing though....
Doesn't Mr. C live on a corner? Is it possible he saw the girls pass just as the cctv captured their image? He said they were traveling fast.
ETA: Never mind. I see HollyBlue's post regarding opposite direction.
google maps lists it at 1.2 miles not counting the trail behind the lake...where r you getting 8 minutes? the cctv has it at 12:19 and TG says he saw the bikes at 12:20. not saying your wrong just trying to understand the timeline
Ok google maps has 1.1 miles from Cornbelt Auctions to Lake Ave.
Shortest route - straight down S Evans.
Time - 4 minutes.
Not sure how to post the damn thing though....
I certainly can see your (& hubbies) point...although terribly sad that others can't watch out for others' children anymore without getting accused of being a pedo.
I think it's entirely likely that others HAVE come forward with that information to LE, just not the media.
BBM
I wonder about that too. I just can't imagine that Elizabeth rode down there all the time. I have always thought that perhaps it was another girl and they just thought it was Elizabeth. But I think it's possible that Mr. C saw them that day...possible :fence:
Ok google maps has 1.1 miles from Cornbelt Auctions to Lake Ave.
Shortest route - straight down S Evans.
Time - 4 minutes.
Not sure how to post the damn thing though....
<snipped for space> Too late to make a long story short, but anyway - not only is it hard to know what you'd do in a given situatin, but it's also hard to know what someone else has gone through to account for their actions in that same situation.
I'd like to know how the Carpenters afford to water their lawn for three hours. I don't water mine and our last water bill was $126!
I am getting 8 minutes from Mr Pahl who spent a day and a half with the FBI in his shop analysing footage and has come away with the idea they are working with 8 minutes. He may be wrong but he was with the FBI and we were not so I'm taking it.
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I may be giving them too much credit here, but I believe the FBI have worked out the clock differences etc.
Also, Mr G said he saw the bikes at ABOUT 12.20, which gives some room for flexibility, certainly a workable timeframe. He has NEVER said "exactly 12.20"...we could even be working with a 10 or 15 minute time frame, which is ample.
Also, I mapped from 3520 Cornbelt to 1020 Lake - 1.1 miles.
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My first question regarding TG was why didn't he think anything was hinky? There is no place to go between two fences in that 10' wide isolated area besides the behind the gate. I would have first been pizzed about the bike on the trial and stopped to move it against the fence for courtesy to others. All the while, looking for the persons responsible for it. Adults wouldn't normally do that and at least one was a child's bike. I don't know how big the mountain bike was/is. ? Like I said before, it's not like they laid the bikes down next to a trail that had open woods or a field to explore. I'd be asking where are these kids? IDK, but I think most people would wonder the same in an area so enclosed. ???? I've also wondered if TG returned home the same way around the lake and if the bikes were still there or if he went on to the northern part and returned down by Arbutus and 6th? jmo
Bing maps has it at 5, and I just left the family's addy in there. Close enough.
http://binged.it/R2r0xa
BBM
My reactions (non-reactions) are just one of many reasons why I'd hate to be in the place of one of the family or friends. I've been told that I'm an odd mixture of cold and sensitive.
People are always saying that I'm one of the warmest and friendliest people they know, but I've also been told many times that I'm one of the least emotional or excitable people they know.
Some examples: when I was 12, I woke up at about 6:00am to find a drunk man I'd never seen before sitting on my bed. I was confused, but I sat and talked to him for over 1/2 hour before I stood up and ran from my room to my mother's to get her (not because I was scared, but because I had no idea where the house he was supposedly looking for was.) The guy was gone before we got back to my room, but my mother was freaking out. We eventually found out later that day that he was the ex-husband of the woman upstairs. He had threatened to kill her and was just released from prison (for assault and attempted murder of his mother), and had robbed the gun and sporting goods store the night before stealing a couple guns and a bunch of ammo. We lived in a duplex, and my bed happened to be right in front of the door that led to an interior stairway to the upstairs unit.
I was raped 3 times as a teen. At 14 by a friend's older brother, at 16 by my boyfriend's twin brother and at 18 by a "nice guy" we met at a wedding dance/reception and my mother insisted that I accept a ride home from...she thought it was time I spent time with some respectable people for a change! I never screamed or cried during any of them, and never reported any (my family had me pretty well convinced that if anything like that ever happened it would be because I had asked for it, and nobody'd believe me anyway...even with all the bruises the 3rd time)
I have been to more funerals in my life than most people have been to parties. All 4 grandparents, both parents, most of my aunts and uncles, and well over 100 people I considered to be friends at one time. A lot were from cancer or other 'natural' causes, a lot were from car accidents, but one was murdered by her ex-husband, 3 were shot by friends/acquaintences, 1 was shot by a family member, 3 committed suicide, 3 were murdered by unknown people, and a variety of others. I have never shed a tear at one of the funerals I've been to, and almost never at home - definitely not in public.
I have no doubt that I'd be worried sick if it were one of my kids or any other kid I'm close to, but I think I'd be lynched here and probably in the media if I were ever questioned about the disappearance of one. Even my son asked me one time (he was about 10), "Mom, why is it that the more something bothers you, the more jokes you make about it?" I've also had friends walk up to me and ask if me if the person I was talking to was going to be needing a blood towel. When the person asked what they meant, they'd say, "From that smile on her face, I'd say she's going to deck you any minute."
Too late to make a long story short, but anyway - not only is it hard to know what you'd do in a given situatin, but it's also hard to know what someone else has gone through to account for their actions in that same situation.
Confusion WOW you have been through so much! I'm sorry doesn't even cut it, but I am very sorry for everything you've had to endure. Thank you for being willing to share it.
Over here, "watering" your yard may just be a matter of moseying on out to the tap, turning it on, setting the timer, and going back to the soaps.