IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #16

[Jules71]

That photo is from Bing maps taken during Fall so the leaves were fewer. Go to Google maps and type in Meyers Lake Evansdale IA. Then zoom in and look all around. You will see the wooded area.

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[cindersoot]

In my opinion the google map photos are kinda deceiving because when I was in Evansdale the area looked very different. The trees are filled out and all. And it's just a lot different.

 

[HeavenLeigh]

Here's another view ... same thing

I think it's important to keep the facts as clear as possible when discussing missing person's cases. Yesterday there was a lot of discussion about the aunt claiming that she spoke to someone that allegedly saw the girls at the lake on July 13, yet a week after their disappearance, investigators stated that they had yet to speak to anyone that could confirm that the girls were at the lake that afternoon. I guess either the aunt, or the person she spoke to, was mistaken.

Regarding the proximity of a house that is for sale to the location of the bikes, I think it is also important to remain factual. I don't believe that there is anything about this house that makes it any more significant than any other house on the block, across the street, or near Gilbert Drive. It is near the location where the bikes were found, it's near a house that had a paddle boat and it's near Maiden Lane, but so are many other houses. Other than being in the neighborhood of where the bikes were found, is there any reason why we should pay more attention to this house?

Respectfully, since none of us appear to be the kidnappers & LE isn't sharing much info I think everyone is just sharing their theories while anxiously waiting for news that both girls are found (hopefully safe but honestly the chances of that are dwindling each day).

IF by chance MCM's BF JW is related to these particular homeowners then he "might" have some inside info on when this house was going to be shown to prospective buyers. Since an appointment would likely be set up for the would-be buyer & realtor to meet it's possible the owners even knew of the appointment & others (????) might have been present or overheard the conversation. Six degrees of separation (Kevin Bacon) and all. So it's not too far fetched for others to know when the appointment(s) would be. Therefore the perpetrator would not have to worry about being caught in the act.

And we can't forget DM was found under the porch of an abandoned/empty house in the area when he was arrested for drugs. Was it on the market when this happened? I can't remember. I know it there was a video of the house w/ creepy music on youtube but was it a realtor's video to help sell the house? (Just thinking while typing, not really asking a ?)

I am just saying people on drugs do not worry so much about getting caught because they are not thinking about consequences anyway.

I am NOT implying it was DM or JW who kidnapped the girls just trying to explain why myself & others have questions about "the house".

 

[cindersoot]

Where is the link that says where the bikes were found, the exact area?

 

[cindersoot]

Nancy Grace says the show, 'Toddlers and Tiaras', will hit the skids. Good, because it's a pedophiles dream show.

 

[palaminodee]

no major hurry, but if a rewinder is available, please review #1124...want to make sure I heard that one correctly...thanks!

 

[Considering]

It certainly wouldn't be the first time a perp has inserted themselves into the story.

I remember several years ago there was a serial arsonist in the area. He was interviewed on tv because he was one of the first on the scene of one of the early fires. It's how they caught him. . .he kept showing up to the scene of several of the fires. :doh:

It's interesting that some criminals do insert themselves into an investigation. I don't know but I imagine they think of themselves as sly. MNDad, your ideas are interesting. I believe they were mentioned in earlier threads. I know that some people believe that there had to be at least two perps involved but I don't think there had to be. I think one person could have done it. A menacing man, for example, would have been very frightening to me as a child. I don't believe having a friend along would have caused me to feel less terrified at the age of 9 or 10, either. It's possible that whoever abducted the girls used a gun (as was mentioned earlier in the thread) but I don't think that would be necessary. I think telling two scared little girls that you have a gun in your pocket would be enough to have them do as they're told. That being said, I can think of a scenerio in which a perp would not need a gun or to say that he had one in order to abduct two girls. I'll use THE white van, since it's so...popular. Let's say that a perp is walking around the block or to his mailbox. We can also have him jogging, or riding a bike or a skateboard for that matter. He sees the girls. He pretends to fall at a time and place he knows the girls cannot help but notice. They stop to help him or maybe he asks them to help him up. They drop their bikes to assist the "nice" man to his feet. When the "nice" man stands up, he can't walk -- he must have broken/sprained his ankle. If the girls will just help him get to his van that's parked right there at the edge of the woods, he will drive himself to the hospital. Maybe he needs one or both to hold his hand so he doesn't fall. Maybe he needs someone to carry his skateboard/push his bike back to his van. Of course, they're going to help this nice man. They can't leave him hurt and alone. It wouldn't be the right thing to do. It wouldn't be "kind." He's so appreciative of the help they are giving him. If they'll just open the sliding door/back door on the van, he thinks he can get in easier (or he needs them to put his skateboard/bike in the van for him). The girls open the door. Maybe they get inside to help pull him up. Maybe he pushes them inside. Regardless, he gets the girls inside. It's quiet. It's quick. It works. They're gone.

 

[Jules71]

Where is the link that says where the bikes were found, the exact area?

Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, and Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #15

From the post above:

"The bikes were found in the trail by the gate leading to a rock jetty and water outlet on the lake. The gate wasn’t locked at the time, Abben said. There’s a chain link fence on both sides of the trail. The purse was on the lake-side of the fence, about 10 feet to the east of the bikes and about 2 feet from the fence, officials said."

ETA: I believe Dan was also quoted saying they were in front of the gate leading to the jetty. The center of the gate to the jetty is approx 50 feet east of the white line that shows on the path in some pictures (I believe).

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[JaimeInLA]

Im just wondering how some know for certain where the bikes were found? I know in that area, but 50 ft to the left 100 ft to the right? I don't think we know.

We know they were found just outside the double maintenance gate, at the jetty. This has been linked to multiple times. Dan Morrissey said it was the perfect spot because someone could step out of the gate onto the path and the girls would be caught in a trap. Abben also said this is where the bikes were found.

 

[palaminodee]

If it was a person the girls knew or recognized and that person said something was wrong w/ Gma or Lizzy's mom (health-wise), I think unfortunately they could have dropped their bikes and followed them and gotten into any type of vehicle.

 

[JaimeInLA]

I can see a scenario in which a perp uses a phone call to gain trust of L & E. Suppose he knows he is within earshot of the 2 girls, playing on the jetty or sitting picking dandelions. If he were to say into his cell phone, "Hi honey, it's Daddy. I'll be home in a few hours, ok? Love you, bye." -- THAT would definitely make the girls trust him. If he followed that up with, "Will you two please help me pick out a present for my daughter?" -- he could lure them into his vehicle. It would have worked on me at that age.

 

[RNER]

no major hurry, but if a rewinder is available, please review #1124...want to make sure I heard that one correctly...thanks!

Wrong WS site for your inquiry...but yes, I believe you did hear it right! LOL

 

[mck16]

If it was a person the girls knew or recognized and that person said something was wrong w/ Gma or Lizzy's mom (health-wise), I think unfortunately they could have dropped their bikes and followed them and gotten into any type of vehicle.

Where was this vehicle parked? I asked earlier if a car could drive close to the trail. Could it? tia

 

[Confusion]

Respectfully, since none of us appear to be the kidnappers & LE isn't sharing much info I think everyone is just sharing their theories while anxiously waiting for news that both girls are found (hopefully safe but honestly the chances of that are dwindling each day).

IF by chance MCM's BF JW is related to these particular homeowners then he "might" have some inside info on when this house was going to be shown to prospective buyers. Since an appointment would likely be set up for the would-be buyer & realtor to meet it's possible the owners even knew of the appointment & others (????) might have been present or overheard the conversation. Six degrees of separation (Kevin Bacon) and all. So it's not too far fetched for others to know when the appointment(s) would be. Therefore the perpetrator would not have to worry about being caught in the act.

And we can't forget DC was found under the porch of an abandoned/empty house in the area when he was arrested for drugs. Was it on the market when this happened? I can't remember. I know it there was a video of the house w/ creepy music on youtube but was it a realtor's video to help sell the house? (Just thinking while typing, not really asking a ?)

I am just saying people on drugs do not worry so much about getting caught because they are not thinking about consequences anyway.

I am NOT implying it was DC or JW who kidnapped the girls just trying to explain why myself & others have questions about "the house".

BBM
It's probably not real important since most people know who is being referred to, but DC is Eliazbeth's father, DM is Lyrics father (the one who was arrested for drugs, etc.) I've seen this mixed up by a few people now.

 

[mck16]

BBM
It's probably not real important since most people know who is being referred to, but DC is Eliazbeth's father, DM is Lyrics father (the one who was arrested for drugs, etc.) I've seen this mixed up by a few people now.

I personally think it is real important. These initials confuse me anyway and I am not sure why they are used. jmo

 

[Confusion]

I personally think it is real important. These initials confuse me anyway and I am not sure why they are used. jmo

I assumed it was just to keep us all equally confused, do you think there might be a different reason?:waitasec:

 

[superbee]

Most of the time you get things in good working order, but an unoccupied house can sometimes deteriorate simply because it is not being used. Toilets need to be flushed and the A/C needs to be kept in working order or windows and doors could expand. If the A/C went out during this heatwave, you would definately want to get it fixed.

And have routine yard maintenance done too--lawn mowed and watered, any flower beds weeded and kept looking nice, hedges and bushes trimmed, cement areas swept. Unless the seller was doing this themselves, they would probably have a yard maintence person, or business, doing the yard work. Who would probably have a van or truck to transport the lawn mower, tools, etc.

 

[nikb]

I assumed it was just to keep us all equally confused, do you think there might be a different reason?:waitasec:

I was under the impression, and I could be totally wrong, that it's done to keep it from coming up in Google searches of a person's name. But the full name ends up being posted so often anyway, I think this site would come up.

 

[mck16]

I assumed it was just to keep us all equally confused, do you think there might be a different reason?:waitasec:

If that is the reason it is working at least for me. lol

 

[Gracelin]

Where was this vehicle parked? I asked earlier if a car could drive close to the trail. Could it? tia

We know that when the police held the scene where the bikes were there are cars back there.

http://en.paperblog.com/fbi-sniffer-dogs-detect-scent-of-missing-cousins-268503/

While listening to the scanner a car was reported driving on that road by a homeowner It was the FBI doing a re enactment (This of course is rumor )