IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #22

[danzn16]

• Perhaps you know someone who was talking about planning on being in the Evansdale area on the 13th of July. Perhaps they were planning to visit someone, go camping, fishing, boating, or visit for business.

and

Whoever did this has neighbors, relatives, co-workers and friends. Whoever did this walks amongst us, and lives amongst us.


these hit home huh?

Really sickening to think there are people like that walking amongst us. I still can't process it even after all these cases.

 

[danzn16]

A walk in unit..restaurant, cold storage, butcher shop. Taxidermy or deer processor would be my guess, if that is the scenario. This time of year both processors and taxidermists here often have outdoor cold storage. I watched one fellow locally taking large 2 deer out, and into his shop, using a grocery cart. It's a big IF, however, until there is more info.

Or just a hunter that keeps the deer meet for food. My parents have a large freezer to store deer meet or deer heads until the head can be processed. It's pretty common. It would be a huge risk to keep the girls like that though so Idk if this happened but it's a possibility

 

[tlcya]

I realize that there will be continued speculation regarding the drug associates angle but honestly, as rampant as druggs are in this country, it is jut as likely and possible that a pedo or other creep will randomly take a person whose had a drug problem's child as it is for one to take the child of someone without that history.

I just really feel the whole drug debt revenge thing is not what happened and is the biggest, smelliest red herring in this case.

ETA note to self must BEG santa for new laptop. Cant take the tablet typing anymore.

 

[carbuff]

If you are hiding the bodies you do not place them in a hunting spot because they will surely be found - this appears to be a definite "dumping ground"

Hm, good point.

Perhaps instead of being a hunter or fisherman, as we've been assuming, the perp is a city person who thought that putting the bodies well beyond the end of a gravel turnaround made them really remote, not realizing that hunters and fishermen go there. He might have looked it up on Googlemaps or Mapquest to find someplace that looked really out of the way.

 

[tlcya]

Hm, good point.

Perhaps instead of being a hunter or fisherman, as we've been assuming, the perp is a city person who thought that putting the bodies well beyond the end of a gravel turnaround made them really remote, not realizing that hunters and fishermen go there. He might have looked it up on Googlemaps or Mapquest to find someplace that looked really out of the way.

Such as someone who as a teen or younger person in years past had gone down that road to have keggers, smoke pot or make out because of its seclusion. Seclusion is the draw I strongly feel. This person may not have even considered hunting or hunters in his thought process.

:moo:

 

[passionflower]

could this perp have a guilty consciense or thrill of wanting the girls found at Christmas?
Attention? To hurt parents even more and ruin their holidays even more than before???

 

[tlcya]

Battery dying. Good night sleuths. May tomorrow bring fresh leads to chew on.

 

[marie-chantal]

I don't think a hunter would put a body in an area that would be visited by hunters or other people. My guess is that just as others have said, this person thought the area was isolated. A hunter would know that this area would ultimately be walked through once deer season started.

 

[marie-chantal]

IF refridgeration was used to store the angels bodies.
Who would have access to a refridgerator big enough for the 2?
Now I'm not talking freezers.

There are a lot of slaughterhouses and other food processing plants all over the state of Iowa. These places would have gigantic freezers/refrigerators.

 

[carbuff]

IF refridgeration was used to store the angels bodies.
Who would have access to a refridgerator big enough for the 2?
Now I'm not talking freezers.

Almost anyplace that does any amount of commercial food preparation will have a refrigerator large enough to stash two small girls in.

Many people keep an extra refrigerator in the garage or barn for storing bulk purchases, game, or extra beer.

That doesn't deal with issues of making sure nobody else looks in the fridge, but there are a lot of potentials out there.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Hm, good point.

Perhaps instead of being a hunter or fisherman, as we've been assuming, the perp is a city person who thought that putting the bodies well beyond the end of a gravel turnaround made them really remote, not realizing that hunters and fishermen go there. He might have looked it up on Googlemaps or Mapquest to find someplace that looked really out of the way.

Considering that the bodies were apparently a fair walk from the end of the gravel road, I think the perp could have been someone who partied there as a teen. He probably thought the bodies were far enough from the end of the road that other partiers would not find them.

I'm not even sure if the perp wanted to conceal them forever. I think he just wanted them not to be found for a couple weeks, long enough to break the trail, so to speak.

 

[GrainneDhu]

could this perp have a guilty consciense or thrill of wanting the girls found at Christmas?
Attention? To hurt parents even more and ruin their holidays even more than before???

I don't see how the perp could foresee the bodies would be found right before Christmas. From what one person said (someone with the DNR? I can't remember right now), if those hunters had walked even five feet over to the right or left, they would not have found them.

 

[roseofsharon]

I don't think a hunter would put a body in an area that would be visited by hunters or other people. My guess is that just as others have said, this person thought the area was isolated. A hunter would know that this area would ultimately be walked through once deer season started.

I feel that the perp wanted the bodies to be found because there were many other ways the bodies could have been disposed of, as to never have been found and I find it interesting that the perp would choose a state park. This person must be well acquainted with the area and well acquainted with Meyers Lake ... a local resident imo.

 

[Copper]

Can any of our locals say, when do people fish at the wildlife area? Would the site have been active in the afternoon and evening on the Friday the girls disappeared?

Does anyone remember what exactly the weather was like on that Friday? I seem to recall cooler, with rain in the morning?

The record drought conditions have been mentioned. But does anything else wonder how the heat last summer would have affected when and where the girls were killed?

 

[not_my_kids]

I linked an article earlier in which LE said that they were pretty sure that that area had been searched when the girls went missing (paraphrased that), however, the foliage was so thick they could have been right next to the bodies and not known it.

I am curious to know if the exact spot where they were found had been searched. If it definitely was, then that makes it likely the perp was on the search team, and moved their bodies there after the area was cleared.

 

[roseofsharon]

I don't see how the perp could foresee the bodies would be found right before Christmas. From what one person said (someone with the DNR? I can't remember right now), if those hunters had walked even five feet over to the right or left, they would not have found them.

Unless the perp placed the bodies there only days before they were found and knew it wouldn't take long before they were found by hunters.

 

[roseofsharon]

I wonder if the bikes were staged at Meyers Lake, as this perp seems to know their way around the secluded areas of the parks.

 

[Confusion]

Originally Posted by passionflower
IF refridgeration was used to store the angels bodies.
Who would have access to a refridgerator big enough for the 2?
Now I'm not talking freezers.

One of my uncles is/was a hunter (he's not likely to live for another season), and he stores his own venison, his son's and his daughter/son-in-law's at his home. He probably wouldn't have a freezer big enough to hold both girls, but he has 4 good sized chest freezers. I know he didn't do anything to the girls, but I'm sure there are probably at least a few other people with as much freezer space as he has.

I really don't think the guy cared whether they were found or not, as long as they weren't found near him. He also wouldn't have to be a hunter himself to know where friends, neighbors or relatives might hunt. Again, leaving the bodies at some time during hunting season would be the least obvious way to put them in an out of the way place like that. That would be true even if he had kept them for a few months and then killed them. MOO

 

[Sere-nity]

I linked an article earlier in which LE said that they were pretty sure that that area had been searched when the girls went missing (paraphrased that), however, the foliage was so thick they could have been right next to the bodies and not known it.

I am curious to know if the exact spot where they were found had been searched. If it definitely was, then that makes it likely the perp was on the search team, and moved their bodies there after the area was cleared.

Or directed the people away like by saying they already searched that area themselves.

 

[Claudette]

I feel that the perp wanted the bodies to be found because there were many other ways the bodies could have been disposed of, as to never have been found and I find it interesting that the perp would choose a state park. This person must be well acquainted with the area and well acquainted with Meyers Lake ... a local resident imo.

If they wanted them to be found though, why not put them somewhere that's easier to find them?