IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #22

[hollyblue]

Thanks dadgum, I hesitated to mention butcher or meat renderer because I was worried it would lead back to more speculation about the hunters who discovered the girls but you are right.

It took me straight to the man, the van, and the family meat processing business which was only a few blocks from the Collin's home...and between the home and lake. Not saying this family was involved,,,,but it was my first thought after hearing about refrigeration. JMO

 

[Dr. Know?]

There's a total of $150K (the new facebook has $200K). Here's an article about the donor of $100K. I"d think the hunters would get the $100K. They found the girls. I did read that one of the hunters is a woman, not sure about the other. Quite shaken up a friend said.

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An anonymous donor told authorities they will add $100,000 to a reward fund set aside for anyone who provides information that leads to finding missing Evansdale cousins Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins.

http://cedarfalls.patch.com/articles/anonymous-donor-gives-to-missing-cousin-s-case

 

[Marilynilpa]

Hello, I have been following this case as I moved from Waterloo about 5 months ago to West Des Moines. I have been following these forums about these missing girls and I have decided to create an account to share my thoughts.

Has anyone followed up at all about the creepy craigslist posting about the bridge? That seems like a smoking gun almost in regards to this case. Also, there is some very curious happenings on the Waterloo, Rants and Raves on Craigslist as well, seems as someone keeps posting poems and seems very troubled psychologically. This could also provide a large clue.

I feel that the perp or perps who has done this quite possibly is looking for their chance at "fame" and wants to be caught, but does not want to make it too obvious. I believe there is something more to the Craigslist activity, thoughts?

Hi, Bossologist, welcome to Websleuths!:seeya:

The Craigslist poems and other postings have been discussed for quite some time. There are many posters here on WS who felt like this might be pertinent information. I don't know for sure whether LE ever looked into the Craigslist guy(s), but I imagine they did.

Craigslist has a lot of weird stuff on it!

I'm so glad you joined us.

 

[Bossologist]

Hi, Bossologist, welcome to Websleuths!:seeya:

The Craigslist poems and other postings have been discussed for quite some time. There are many posters here on WS who feel like this should be looked into. I don't know for sure whether LE ever looked into the Craigslist guy(s), but I imagine they did.

I'm so glad you joined us.

Thank you for the welcome. I strongly believe the Craigslist postings might have something to do with it as the poems and the other postings from this person seem VERY dark and sometimes morbid.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Thank you wasn't enough.

As unpopular as this will probably be, I don't see Misty or Dan as being culpable either. I don't think anyone sets out to become an addict. I'm saddened that in the US, it is treated as a crime rather than as a medical problem.

I can't even imagine what sort of mentality it would take to blame a 10 year old girl for something like this.

Hold on. Misty and Dan are not just addicts. They have both been convicted for manufacturing and selling meth! They are not just drug users -- they are drug producers, and Dan is a drug dealer! The people they associated with most certainly put their children in harm's way!

 

[JaimeInLA]

Well, I read in the newspaper that Heather was greeting Christmas shoppers and passing out candy canes with the missing girls flyers. This may have increased donations and public support; therefore, increasing the reward. Additionally, people are more generous and caring for one another around the holidays.

I am proud of the family and their efforts to locate these girls (far from what I saw in the HaLeigh Cummings case!) jmo

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"Kieler and Elizabeth’s mom, Heather Collins, attended West High School in Waterloo together. She said Collins was her biggest supporter during a battle with breast cancer about two years ago, sending weekly cards, cash and gift certificates, dropping by to deliver coffee from Starbucks or attending benefits and other events. “Even Elizabeth came and drew me a picture,” she recalled. Kieler, of Waterloo, ran into Collins and her husband, Drew, at Crossroads Center a week ago. They were handing out candy canes with pictures of the girls. “They are the most positive, most faithful, loving, caring people that I’ve ever met,” she said. “Even with these circumstances, they were still happy to see me and asked about my health.”
http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_0fbb9a30-3f4c-11e2-97bf-0019bb2963f4.html

The reward wasn't increased by many small donations. ONE anonymous donor made a donation of $100,000, just days before the bodies were found. Hmmmmmm...

 

[georger]

I am bringing my post over from the last thread as well...


I just can't get the thought out of my head that one of these perps is a woman (I really think more than one person did this) I have no basis whatsoever other than I really think these girls were what I would call "street smart". And either they really were taken forcefully OR they knew the person. I just feel a woman would appear less threatening and more likely be able to convince 2 girls to go with her.

I really don't even know what to hope for anymore as an outcome...I just hope that whomever did this is found...and IF there were accomplices that they just spill their guts on each other :jail:

well, this strikes me as someone of frequents and knows parks, natural
areas, evidently from that part of the State? The girls were abducted
near the lake/park south of their home? Now they show up north of
Evansdale in a park-nature preserve and right next to some water ...
bodies separated from each other.

White vans must be everywhere! White van seen in the video tape but I
guess that was explained - the owner interviewed. Then white van with a
guy and woman trying to abduct a kid in CR (near Kirkwood?), chased
away, but not found. Now tonight some beared guy in a WHITE VAN! in
Washington County acting wierd trailing a school bus ... then same van
seen later trailing another school bus again in a urral area ... I am
grasping at straws here but sooner or later something solid has to emerge
in this case.

Im assuming none of this has anything to do with the drug charges
against the parents ...

I am actually wondering if the same perp will strike again soon somewhere
in the same general area! (in a white van!!!?).

 

[JaimeInLA]

Has it been said that they won't? I don't see why they shouldn't either, unless it was only for their safe return.

Yes, it has been said the reward is now being rolled over into a new reward fund, which will be given to any tipster who can help solve the murders/lead to an arrest.

 

[PaulR]

White vans must be everywhere! White van seen in the video tape but I
guess that was explained - the owner interviewed. Then white van with a
guy and woman trying to abduct a kid in CR (near Kirkwood?), chased
away, but not found. Now tonight some beared guy in a WHITE VAN!

Whenever I hear "white van" I think of the DC sniper case. Remember how there was a big hunt for a white van? It turns out white vans are everywhere and it had nothing to do with the case.

 

[JaimeInLA]

There's a total of $150K (the new facebook has $200K). Here's an article about the donor of $100K. I"d think the hunters would get the $100K. They found the girls. I did read that one of the hunters is a woman, not sure about the other. Quite shaken up a friend said.

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An anonymous donor told authorities they will add $100,000 to a reward fund set aside for anyone who provides information that leads to finding missing Evansdale cousins Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins.

http://cedarfalls.patch.com/articles/anonymous-donor-gives-to-missing-cousin-s-case

Thank you. This is what I was referring to. The terms were "whoever finds the girls." Now they have changed those terms to "whoever leads to an arrest." Why? Were there no "hunters?" Did someone else lead police to the bodies? A secret informant who knew they had recently been moved there? Maybe someone who knew the killer & what had happened? When the reward went up $100,000, he spilled his guts to LE? I just find the timing SO suspicious. The reward TRIPLES, and within days the bodies are found?!?! Weird.

 

[georger]

ITA. IMO, it is far more likely that the perp drove as far off road as he safely could and walked the rest of the way in, carrying first one girl and then the other.

Because he is probably a local he knew the bodies likely wouldn't be found until hunting season and any trace evidence would be long gone. (Or so he hopes)

I also think we will be told that the bodies were not "placed" or laid out in any symbolic way, nor were they covered with anything to protect them from the elements.

If this scenario proves out, I would also guess family members, especially parents could be ruled out. Statistically even the most monstrous parents will cover or "swaddle" the children they have killed before leaving their bodies at a dump site. Swell, huh?


Anyhoo, its all MOO

Yes. Parents seems unlikely. Driug connection to parents? Some loine wolf
who has gone over the edge and haunts lakes, ponds, rivers, natural
areas, fishes, hunts, unemployed with plenty of time?, ... might strike
again of he's on a roll ....... bearded guy in white van seen following a
schoolbus in Wash County today (reported tonight on news) ... then
sighted again later following another school bus ? Could there be more
than one white van in this ?

LE is not giving any details for the public to work with!

 

[cluciano63]

Yes. Parents seems unlikely. Driug connection to parents? Some loine wolf
who has gone over the edge and haunts lakes, ponds, rivers, natural
areas, fishes, hunts, unemployed with plenty of time?, ... might strike
again of he's on a roll ....... bearded guy in white van seen following a
schoolbus in Wash County today (reported tonight on news) ... then
sighted again later following another school bus ? Could there be more
than one white van in this ?

LE is not giving any details for the public to work with!

I'm not sure LE has anything to go on right now. They are probably hoping to find some DNA. But even that won't help unless the person is in the system or turns out to be someone close to the case who is on their radar.

 

[georger]

"VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, Rita Cosby, investigative journalist, I got chills when Jon just said that these bodies had been kept somewhere, and then when they were put there in this wildlife park, they were easily identifiable. I mean, it`s horrifying to think that they were kept in some -- it implies that they were possibly kept in some kind of refrigeration or something that preserved them."

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Yea, well, ... how does she know!? LE gave her info? She needs to name her source(s). I not going to rely on HLN for anything - period!

 

[hollyblue]

I realize that there will be continued speculation regarding the drug associates angle but honestly, as rampant as druggs are in this country, it is jut as likely and possible that a pedo or other creep will randomly take a person whose had a drug problem's child as it is for one to take the child of someone without that history.

I just really feel the whole drug debt revenge thing is not what happened and is the biggest, smelliest red herring in this case.

ETA note to self must BEG santa for new laptop. Cant take the tablet typing anymore.

I can't rule out a meth connection.. not just for retaliation, but for the mere fact mether's were among the children's environment and the increase of the sexual libido in the use of meth. Who's to say a pedo can't be a meth addict as well? Nor could I rule out the refrigeration speculaton in the same scenario with the onset of paranoia which is common in frequent meth users.

Not saying this is what I believed happened, but possible. imo Maybe in his teens he partied with keggers at Seven Bridges, graduated to meth and it's destructive behaviors, felt comfortable with that area as isolation and placed the bodies there not thinking.....or caring if they were found or not. They never got caught for keggers...?? Simple reasoning for someone whose main concern is finding his next bag and quickly taking care of any "problems" he had created while pleasuring his sick and twisted desires.
JMO

 

[georger]

I agree. Now that the news is out about where the girls were located, only a few people I have talked to knew about that location. One person knew of it because she tubes down the river in the Summer and actually has used that exact spot where the road turns around to exit the river before hitting the dams downstream. That area is very popular for fishing but she said this Summer there was a lot of trash and at least one burnt out campfire when she was there.

Another person is older and said the location used to be very nice and kept up, but they downgraded it years ago and quit taking care of it. There used to be 7 bridges across the river there but flooding and lack of upkeep eliminated about half of them.

Yet another person (in his 30's) said he used to party out there with friends when he was in high school. He lived nearby and said it was quite the isolated party spot.

Everyone said the location is very isolated and a local from the towns of Readlyn, Denver, Fairbank, or Dunkerton would absolutely know about the area but maybe others would not unless they are into hunting, fishing, or tubing.

Sounds like somebody knew of this place! Not a place the average idiot would stumble on. And would take much time to roam around looking for such a place in that area, if you arent already familiar with the area.

THIS IS SOMEBODY FAMILIAR WITH THAT AREA! Somebody who has been
there before. Somebody with a computer who looked it up on some county site, map site? Maybe placed a few calla asking about the area?

Something connects this perp to REALITY.

 

[cheko1]

I don't think a hunter would put a body in an area that would be visited by hunters or other people. My guess is that just as others have said, this person thought the area was isolated. A hunter would know that this area would ultimately be walked through once deer season started.

A sportsman who has a ATV knows they can go anyplace with a ATV. I think the guy put them across a ATV wrapped & tied a tarp to them then disposed of the bodies. A ATV doesn't have license plates. That could even be the way he lured them to go with him. By offering them a ride.

He may of seen them headed toward the lake jumped on his wheeler & followed them or came in a different direction. Totally possible. A ATV has excessive speed. We own 4.

I think it was someone who knew the area & by using a ATV nobody would pay attention to his coming or going. A chest freezer would work to put the bodies in until nobody was looking.

ATV's have headlights & he probably disposed of the bodies at night, when he knew he'd be safe.He probably didn't care where he disposed of the bodies or care when they were found as long as he was long gone,

 

[georger]

A walk in unit..restaurant, cold storage, butcher shop. Taxidermy or deer processor would be my guess, if that is the scenario. This time of year both processors and taxidermists here often have outdoor cold storage. I watched one fellow locally taking large 2 deer out, and into his shop, using a grocery cart. It's a big IF, however, until there is more info.

Where!? is all of this "freezer-cold storage" stuff coming from !!!!! ???
LE hasnt released ANY details ....

So do we look for a Swann Ice Cream Truck in the area?

Get real.

 

[hollyblue]

http://www.ignitejc.org/www

I wonder if LE asked the participants to help in this case.

Although along the same river, that park is 80 miles SE of Seven Bridges.

 

[Copper]

I'm not sure what you mean by how the heat affected when and where the girls were killed. Statistically, there are more abductions in the summer but that's undoubtedly because no one is outside for long in the winter. Well, not in typical Iowa winters, anyway.

I mean like, would a killer take the girls out to the spot they were found and then abuse/kill/whatever them if the heat and humidity was uncomfortable or even oppressive. Same goes for if the girls had been killed somewhere else and then taken there and left. I guess I'm just trying to get an idea or a feeling of how long the girls were kept alive or how long they'd been at the site.

 

[pdxmama]

I realize that there will be continued speculation regarding the drug associates angle but honestly, as rampant as druggs are in this country, it is jut as likely and possible that a pedo or other creep will randomly take a person whose had a drug problem's child as it is for one to take the child of someone without that history.

I just really feel the whole drug debt revenge thing is not what happened and is the biggest, smelliest red herring in this case.

ETA note to self must BEG santa for new laptop. Cant take the tablet typing anymore.

I totally agree. This theory pops up often but I honestly can't remember any cases where a child was kidnapped for revenge (other than parental abduction.) The drug debt thing is VERY unlikely, IMO.