IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #25

[JaimeInLA]

Sorry, JaimeInLA, but your comment is incorrect. Tammy said she saw a boy who was fishing, and asked him how long he'd been there. He said he'd been there for a while, but he had not seen the girls. So there would be no need for LE to verify his statement.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

There was a little boy fishing, and he had been there a long time. I asked him as well, when I first approached and started asking random people. I said, "Did you see two little girls on a bicycle? He said "No". I said, "How long have you been here?" He said, "A long time."

Sorry, you are correct. My brain was mixing that statement with her statement that she talked to someone who saw the girls riding their bikes, going East. I thought they were one in the same, but it appears they were 2 different people.

So it is the person who saw them riding that has not been confirmed by LE (and it can't be the 2pm sighting, because that was just the bikes, not the girls).

 

[otto]

Thanks for finding the quote, I was just about to go looking for it. Something about this has always bothered me. Can't put my finger on what, but it's bothered me.

I wish we knew what "a long time" means in this boy's mind.

I suppose it means that he was there long enough that a predator could have abducted him, but didn't. I'd be more interested in knowing if anyone else spoke to the boy ... especially if anyone suggested that it was better to fish near the drainage pipe ... but I suppose that didn't happen.

 

[otto]

Sorry, you are correct. My brain was mixing that statement with her statement that she talked to someone who saw the girls riding their bikes, going East. I thought they were one in the same, but it appears they were 2 different people.

So it is the person who saw them riding that has not been confirmed by LE (and it can't be the 2pm sighting, because that was just the bikes, not the girls).

Apparently, this has not been confirmed as the missing children because FBI Breault has said that there are no confirmed sighting of the girls at the lake.

Tammy: "We pulled into Meyers Lake, right about where Jim and I are standing. And I got up and just jumped out and started asking random people, Have you seen two little girls, one on a mountain bike, you know, gave the complete descriptions of them. And a man -- they have his name. I don`t know who he is. He said to me, Yes, I seen two little girls going west on the bike trail."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html

 

[dotr]

Thanks for finding the quote, I was just about to go looking for it. Something about this has always bothered me. Can't put my finger on what, but it's bothered me.

I wish we knew what "a long time" means in this boy's mind.

Funny, had the same effect on me too- did they ever locate the boy, I can't seem to recall if that was ever posted or not.
The "fishing boy" almost seems like a ghostly spectre.

 

[Squeeze]

Sure. Have you seen a transcript of the press conference of July 17th and not found that comment in there? I haven't searched for the transcript, I just relied upon what MSM reported.

ETA: I cannot find an active link to the July 17 press conference. If you have a transcript for that day, please provide a link.

I haven't looked, but the website Evansdalesearch.com says that that was reported at the press conference, and also that they have "zero leads". Well, we all know that isn't true. I'll have to look later for the actual transcript. I'm wondering if this website is something we should be putting any stock into.

 

[Squeeze]

The girls went for a bike ride at about 11:30. They were riding where they were allowed to be until about 12:30, when Wylma became concerned because she could no longer see the children. That doesn't allow for the possibility that the children were anywhere except where they were allowed to be (not a couple of blocks away at a grocery store). At 12:15 they were where they were supposed to be, and there is information that at 12:23 they were where they were supposed to be. This doesn't leave any room for the girls to be where they were not supposed to be at any time prior to 12:23 ... and at that time they were going East.

It seems to me that what is important is the last known sighting of the girls. Wylma last saw the girls riding their bikes towards the parking lot at the old post office. After that time, the girls were seen riding East on Brovan Blvd. That is the last known confirmed sighting of the girls. They were not heading towards Meyers Lake, and they were not heading towards the Evansdale Nature Trail that connects with Lafayette. They were heading East towards River Forest Road. Hypothetically, if someone behind a store told the children to ride on the Evansdale Nature Trail, clearly the children ignored that information because they were last seen a few blocks away going in the opposite direction.

They didn't ride in the morning at all?

All I'm saying is that its a fact that the bikes were found by Meyer's lake, and aside from the video, there is a big gap in time, and we have no clue exactly what path they took. I'm just saying that the answer is out there, whether or not it is information provided to us is a question, we don't know. We can't assume that it didn't happen, just because LE and MSM isn't telling us. I'm not saying that just because it's on FB it must be true. I'm just saying that it's a possibility that we should consider, since we have no concrete evidence to the contrary. If we just go by what was reported to the public, the girls were magically beamed over to Meyer's lake from Brovan Blvd.

Maybe we should agree to disagree.

 

[JaimeInLA]

Apparently, this has not been confirmed as the missing children because FBI Breault has said that there are no confirmed sighting of the girls at the lake.

Tammy: "We pulled into Meyers Lake, right about where Jim and I are standing. And I got up and just jumped out and started asking random people, Have you seen two little girls, one on a mountain bike, you know, gave the complete descriptions of them. And a man -- they have his name. I don`t know who he is. He said to me, Yes, I seen two little girls going west on the bike trail."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html

Exactly. My point is that we were told about both these witnesses by Tammy and Tammy ONLY.

 

[RNER]

WHY DRAIN THE LAKE??????????????????

If no one "saw THEM" at the lake, in the lake, around the lake, near the lake, and only their bikes and purse were near the lake, I just can't believe that LE/FBI would take the time to drain the lake, call specialists from across the country with specialized cameras and equipment, and waste several days focusing on the possibility that they or evidence were IN THE LAKE!

Logically speaking...it doesn't make sense! I can't think of any reason a lake would be drained (at least where I live and in any other case that I am familiar with) with the thought that they "might be" in the lake-especially since family and others thought they never went there!

IMOO...Someone saw them IN THE LAKE! That "key witness" has not been publically identified and is only known to LE, and maybe they even saw the girl's being drowned or attacked.

 

[nursebeeme]

I believe they drained the lake because
1) the bikes were found right there
2) the dog led to the water iirc

that is enough info right there to rule the lake out right away.

 

[janie]

WHY DRAIN THE LAKE??????????????????

If no one "saw THEM" at the lake, in the lake, around the lake, near the lake, and only their bikes and purse were near the lake, I just can't believe that LE/FBI would take the time to drain the lake, call specialists from across the country with specialized cameras and equipment, and waste several days focusing on the possibility that they or evidence were IN THE LAKE!

Logically speaking...it doesn't make sense! I can't think of any reason a lake would be drained (at least where I live and in any other case that I am familiar with) with the thought that they "might be" in the lake-especially since family and others thought they never went there!

IMOO...Someone saw them IN THE LAKE! That "key witness" has not been publically identified and is only known to LE, and maybe they even saw the girl's being drowned or attacked.

Half of the community felt they shouldn't have drained the lake and IMHO, had they not drained the lake, the other half of the community would have criticized them for not draining the lake, just in case they were in there. I don't think the resources that went into draining the lake affected the search. Surrounding communities of LE helped monitor the drainage while there was still a very large group of people searching. I don't remember how many people searched but 1,000 sticks in my mind.

If it were my child and dogs tracked my child to or near the lake, I'd have wanted it searched, even if I felt they probably weren't in there.

 

[Bootsctr]

WHY DRAIN THE LAKE??????????????????

If no one "saw THEM" at the lake, in the lake, around the lake, near the lake, and only their bikes and purse were near the lake, I just can't believe that LE/FBI would take the time to drain the lake, call specialists from across the country with specialized cameras and equipment, and waste several days focusing on the possibility that they or evidence were IN THE LAKE!

Logically speaking...it doesn't make sense! I can't think of any reason a lake would be drained (at least where I live and in any other case that I am familiar with) with the thought that they "might be" in the lake-especially since family and others thought they never went there!

IMOO...Someone saw them IN THE LAKE! That "key witness" has not been publically identified and is only known to LE, and maybe they even saw the girl's being drowned or attacked.

I don't think LE had any other choice but to drain the lake. It took LE/FBI a week to verify the grandmother's statement of when she last saw the girls and that was only after their image was found on the security camera. They drained the lake because the bikes were found there. Then you also have a relative making a lot of statements to the media about people telling her they saw the girls at the lake. They drained the lake because when you have a criminal background as mixed up as some people, LE does not trust you. It's sad, but it's true.

 

[RNER]

I believe they drained the lake because
1) the bikes were found right there
2) the dog led to the water iirc

that is enough info right there to rule the lake out right away.

I agree...It's enough to rule the lake out or consider it...but to DRAIN IT?????

Perhaps some "super sleuthers" here can answer....have there been many other cases where a lake is drained based only on belongings being found near the lake or dogs leading towards it? With no eye witnesses seeing them in or near the lake?

We have many lakes and ponds where I live, and I do not know of ANY being drained, even when witnesses have seen missing people in them!

 

[hollyblue]

I agree...It's enough to rule the lake out or consider it...but to DRAIN IT?????

Perhaps some "super sleuthers" here can answer....have there been many other cases where a lake is drained based only on belongings being found near the lake or dogs leading towards it? With no eye witnesses seeing them in or near the lake?

We have many lakes and ponds where I live, and I do not know of ANY being drained, even when witnesses have seen missing people in them!

There was just one in NC. The young girl is thought to have committed suicide and they found her bike, helmet and other items I can't remember near.....so they drained the lake and found her. No one had actually seen her at the lake.

ETA: Found Deceased NC- Kayla Campbell, 16, Mint Hill, 9 December 2012 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[Bootsctr]

I thought it was odd that they drained the lake, but I was glad they did it. I remember I thought it was strange that Elizabeth's mother went to the police station to report the girls missing instead of calling 911. I thought it was weird the girls went missing when they did. This whole case is just beyond bizarre to me. I can't imagine how it must feel to be LE's boots.

 

[hollyblue]

I thought it was odd that they drained the lake, but I was glad they did it. I remember I thought it was strange that Elizabeth's mother went to the police station to report the girls missing instead of calling 911. I thought it was weird the girls went missing when they did. This whole case is just beyond bizarre to me.

I was suspicious in the beginning because things that are not "normal" surrounding the victims or their family are usually questioned.....and there were many things that did not fall in the normal for many in the family that day, but it was just coinkydinks.

 

[janie]

I agree...It's enough to rule the lake out or consider it...but to DRAIN IT?????

Perhaps some "super sleuthers" here can answer....have there been many other cases where a lake is drained based only on belongings being found near the lake or dogs leading towards it? With no eye witnesses seeing them in or near the lake?

We have many lakes and ponds where I live, and I do not know of ANY being drained, even when witnesses have seen missing people in them!

I don't know either, other than perhaps they could have gotten stuck on something under water or could have been weighted down?

 

[Marilynilpa]

They didn't ride in the morning at all?

All I'm saying is that its a fact that the bikes were found by Meyer's lake, and aside from the video, there is a big gap in time, and we have no clue exactly what path they took. I'm just saying that the answer is out there, whether or not it is information provided to us is a question, we don't know. We can't assume that it didn't happen, just because LE and MSM isn't telling us. I'm not saying that just because it's on FB it must be true. I'm just saying that it's a possibility that we should consider, since we have no concrete evidence to the contrary. If we just go by what was reported to the public, the girls were magically beamed over to Meyer's lake from Brovan Blvd.

Maybe we should agree to disagree.

BBM

Sometimes it seems that's what happened, doesn't it.

I hope you don't think we're picking on you too much. I get your point, and I agree that just because something hasn't been confirmed by MSM and/or LE doesn't mean it didn't happen. All of us have done some speculating and posed a lot of "what ifs" in trying to figure out when the girls were abducted, where they were abducted, and how they got there.

As long as we aren't building our theories on unsubstantiated rumors, there is room here for everyone's ideas. JMO.

 

[pearl]

Hoping a local will answer my question. Are jetskis used on Meyer's Lake?

 

[Snowbunny]

Apparently, this has not been confirmed as the missing children because FBI Breault has said that there are no confirmed sighting of the girls at the lake.

Tammy: "We pulled into Meyers Lake, right about where Jim and I are standing. And I got up and just jumped out and started asking random people, Have you seen two little girls, one on a mountain bike, you know, gave the complete descriptions of them. And a man -- they have his name. I don`t know who he is. He said to me, Yes, I seen two little girls going west on the bike trail."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html

So is this say they did see the girls going west on the bike trail that day? This is the first time I saw this. If this is the case then that says that the bikes weren't staged. I wonder who this man is?

 

[RNER]

I thought it was odd that they drained the lake, but I was glad they did it. I remember I thought it was strange that Elizabeth's mother went to the police station to report the girls missing instead of calling 911. I thought it was weird the girls went missing when they did. This whole case is just beyond bizarre to me.

And...That the girls NEVER went to the lake, but Tammy (I believe) charges to the lake to look for them, frantically questions people at the lake BEFORE the bikes miraculously appeared on the bike trail near the lake.

We live about the same distance from a river and bike trail, and if my daughters were missing, I don't think I would immediately go there or focus my search there...without there being some reason to suspect that they went there, especially if I believed they never went there previously!

Something about that Lake.....