IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #25

[hollyblue]

Uh oh. Here we go again!

"And lead us not into temptation......

 

[Marilynilpa]

I don't think it really matters, but I believe all 3 were present when Heather went to LE...in fact, all 4 of them if you include Wylma.

Perhaps they all thought it would be easier just to drive to LE to report them missing this time.

:cow:

I'm not certain that is correct. I thought Tammy was running around asking people if they'd seen the girls, and Wylma and Kelly were waiting by the car in the parking lot.:waitasec:

To me, it does matter who went with Heather to the police station, because I thought she went alone while others were searching for the girls.

Let's make it easy on each other - I won't ask you for a link that says everyone went with Heather, if you won't ask me for a link that says Heather went alone! :seeya:

 

[Mjskit]

Personally I think Aunt Tammy may be the one who got her days "mixed up". I doubt those two witnesses were ever there, they would have found them by now.

:cow:

I doubt she has her days mixed up. July 13 will be forever etched in their memories and, tragically, so are the 'ifs'.

 

[Marilynilpa]

IIRC there were two people in the lake, a paddle boater and the fishing boy.

I believe that only Aunt Tammy saw them and LE were never able to trace them.

Please correct me if I'm wrong.

:cow:

I'm not sure who saw the paddleboater, but I don't think it was Tammy. Tammy saw the fishing boy and the man at 2:30 who saw two girls on bikes.

LE issued a request for the paddleboater to come forward, but I don't know if he/she ever did.

I have no clue whether or not LE spoke to the fishing boy.

 

[hollyblue]

I'm not certain that is correct. I thought Tammy was running around asking people if they'd seen the girls, and Wylma and Dillin were waiting by the car in the parking lot.:waitasec:

To me, it does matter who went with Heather to the police station, because I thought she went alone while others were searching for the girls.

Let's make it easy on each other - I won't ask you for a link that says everyone went with Heather, if you won't ask me for a link that says Heather went alone! :seeya:

Good deal. lol I *advertiser censored* umed Misty drove herself to the lake to wait for Dan, his son and mom....and nothing was ever mentioned where Drew was...if he was with Heather or stayed at home in case the girls returned...which would be my guess.

Still bothers me why Kelly wasn't sent around the trail at the lake to look for them. I'm still trying to deal with that thought.

 

[iamnotagolem]

I wonder why Tammy suggested the lake right away. It's been repeated here many times that she suggested it because Wylma had already checked the parks and schools by driving by.

But Wylma was looking for Lyric and Elizabeth, she wasn't looking for their bikes by themselves.

So Tammy suggests the lake, LE starts looking at the lake first, even though no one but Tammy had any knowledge of them ever being there in the past.

Surprisingly, even though the lake was suggested by Tammy no one actually got out and walked around the lake until the police get there. So what was the point in suggesting the lake if they weren't actually going to look?

And what did police learn in the initial report from Heather, Misty, Wilma and Tammy that prompted them to first search the lake? Why was that the first place they searched when there was no reason at all, whatsoever, to think that they would have gone there?

Why did police not first ask Wylma where she had seen them last and start the search there? They KNEW the girls were on Brovan last time they had been seen, that would have been the logical place to begins he search based on fact, not on a whim.

JMO! MOO! all that

 

[CHERIE.T]

I'm not a local but I do know that Meyer's Lake is filled with leeches.

Do people jetski in waters that have leeches? If so, do they call themselves "snack food"?

b b m
:floorlaugh: :seeya:

 

[CHERIE.T]

Glad to see you again SierraShelby :welcome: as a verifiied insdier.

Thank you for being so patient with the many quesions members have. Its just that we have spent so very many months puzzling over the timeline we have tried to form of the girls activities and whereabouts that afternoon.

b b m

Is insdier French? JK :floorlaugh:

 

[iamnotagolem]

There is so much uncertainty about the girls going to the lake, that I'd gather at least half of the posters here, don't even believe they ever went to the lake. But yet, the bikes were there.

SierraShelby, did you see a paddle boater when you biked by? You didn't mention it so I assume no, but just in case.

So where did the paddle boater info come from? Who did see a paddle boater? Was little fisher boy ever interviewed by police? What about running man? Were all three of those phantoms?

I have absolutely no working theory, nothing makes any sense. It doesn't make sense that the girls went to the lake, it doesnt make sense to search near the lake, it doesn't make sense that no one saw them by the lake.

I want to do know who took these precious girls away, these girls we've been thinking about for months hoping for the best. Who did this? Ugh

 

[Squeeze]

BBM

Sometimes it seems that's what happened, doesn't it.

I hope you don't think we're picking on you too much. I get your point, and I agree that just because something hasn't been confirmed by MSM and/or LE doesn't mean it didn't happen. All of us have done some speculating and posed a lot of "what ifs" in trying to figure out when the girls were abducted, where they were abducted, and how they got there.

As long as we aren't building our theories on unsubstantiated rumors, there is room here for everyone's ideas. JMO.

Oh, no, not at all. I just don't want to leave the possibility off the table completely. It's possible that they went that way and were taken somewhere along the way. Lots offtheories and thats just one of mine.

 

[RNER]

Uh oh. Here we go again!

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Mjskit]

I wonder why Tammy suggested the lake right away. It's been repeated here many times that she suggested it because Wylma had already checked the parks and schools by driving by.

But Wylma was looking for Lyric and Elizabeth, she wasn't looking for their bikes by themselves.

So Tammy suggests the lake, LE starts looking at the lake first, even though no one but Tammy had any knowledge of them ever being there in the past.

Surprisingly, even though the lake was suggested by Tammy no one actually got out and walked around the lake until the police get there. So what was the point in suggesting the lake if they weren't actually going to look?

And what did police learn in the initial report from Heather, Misty, Wilma and Tammy that prompted them to first search the lake? Why was that the first place they searched when there was no reason at all, whatsoever, to think that they would have gone there?

Why did police not first ask Wylma where she had seen them last and start the search there? They KNEW the girls were on Brovan last time they had been seen, that would have been the logical place to begins he search based on fact, not on a whim.

JMO! MOO! all that

BBM Same question I asked in the first threads (I never did get an answer either.)

 

[Squeeze]

Hoping a local will answer my question. Are jetskis used on Meyer's Lake?

Nope.

 

[AmyC7547]

I have followed your posts here awhile. You guys are on are all right on this case. I can't believe how much info you have put together. LE]s got nothin on all of you.

 

[SapphireSteel]

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Noooooo! Not the Creeper Boat!!!


:what:

 

[RNER]

I wonder why Tammy suggested the lake right away. It's been repeated here many times that she suggested it because Wylma had already checked the parks and schools by driving by.

But Wylma was looking for Lyric and Elizabeth, she wasn't looking for their bikes by themselves.

So Tammy suggests the lake, LE starts looking at the lake first, even though no one but Tammy had any knowledge of them ever being there in the past.

Surprisingly, even though the lake was suggested by Tammy no one actually got out and walked around the lake until the police get there. So what was the point in suggesting the lake if they weren't actually going to look?

And what did police learn in the initial report from Heather, Misty, Wilma and Tammy that prompted them to first search the lake? Why was that the first place they searched when there was no reason at all, whatsoever, to think that they would have gone there?

Why did police not first ask Wylma where she had seen them last and start the search there? They KNEW the girls were on Brovan last time they had been seen, that would have been the logical place to begins he search based on fact, not on a whim.

JMO! MOO! all that

:razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz::gthanks::razz::razz::razz::razz::razz:

 

[iamnotagolem]

BBM Same question I asked in the first threads (I never did get an answer either.)

If one of my kids went missing (they are much younger) but lets just pretend for a minute that I let my kids play outside by themselves for 15 minutes without checking on them. If I went outside and couldn't find them, I'd check every where on our property. But first, I would check the garage, guest house, and dirt mound because THAT is where my kids play.

If I couldn't find them, I'd have the police start searching here, then work their way out. I'd suggest west down our road and not east up the road. I can say with certainty that if my kids went down the driveway they would NEVER head east. Misty and Heather said with certainty that their kids wouldn't go to the lake. I'm inclined to believe them.

They must have told police something that made them search the lake. Was it Tammy's running guy who saw them riding their bikes? Is that what prompted the lake search?

How many people were at the lake when Tammy & crew arrived?

Here is a quote from her interview:

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, Kelly (ph), with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30." Now, whether he`s telling the truth or not, they do have this man`s name. You know, I don`t know. Whether he`s a person of interest, I don`t know.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

So did she approach a group of people and ask? One man stepped forward? How many people were there? I guess he wasn't running, if he stepped out to say he had seen them. I'll stop calling him running man.

 

[Squeeze]

I used to live along the Iowa River downstream of Lake MacBride, the big reservoir on the river. Almost every summer, the Iowa River would be drained down to less than 30 inches so that the fire department could conduct a search for a drowning victim. Fire fighters walk shoulder to shoulder down the riverbed with probes to find the bodies of people who go into the water above the weir in Iowa City.

Keep in mind that even though it is called a lake, Meyer's Lake is really more like a pond. It is actually a borrow pond, which means a little quarry that was mined f

or rock to construct I-380. It isn't like a natural lake or a reservoir; it's actually quite small and man made (what man has made, man can unmake).

I THOUGHT Meyers Lake was manmade during the building of 380, but I could not find info on it. Thanks!!!

 

[Bootsctr]

there was a guy got out of his vehicle and started walking at the depot then i seen, when i returned he left as i did. there was two people fishing on north west corner of the lake . a vehicle pulled in as i was leaving the parking lot of the lake then a few cars on laff that about it

Who was the other guy at the Depot? I watched a video about it. Kind of a spooky place.

 

[Squeeze]

I THOUGHT Meyers Lake was manmade during the building of 380, but I could not find info on it. Thanks!!!

Please keep in mind the "zero leads" comment was made at a press conference on July 17. At that point, LE may have had "zero leads". If any forensic evidence was collected in the searches, it would have been sent to Ankeny and I doubt the results would have been available on July 17. They had not finished conducting interviews, verifying alibis, etc.

IMO, it isn't unreasonable for LE to say on July 17 that it had no leads.

I believe evansdalesearch.com is more or less a repository of information from different sites, such as the Des Moines Register and the WCF Courier. I have no reason to believe their info is incorrect.

They are more or less paraphrasing, imo.