IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #25

[SapphireSteel]

This is wierd - I'd never noticed it before.

Regarding calling LE, Tammy implies Heather phoned from the lake.

BROUSSEAU: I did not find them. As I was saying, a man, who I approached and started asking questions, said he had seen the girls going east on the bike trail. It`s a small lake. It wraps around on the south side of the lake.

With my sister Heather, the mother of Elizabeth Collins, the 8-year- old, she called the police at 2 p.m. By 3 p.m., Evansdale police were there, and the deputies from Waterloo were all swarming the place. They went on -- they drove their vehicles right onto the bike trail. We watched them go to the site. They found the bicycles. They contacted us and said, "We have -- we have the bicycles. We have Elizabeth`s purse and no girls."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html


Yet Misty says, they were at the Collins home and Heather went to the station.

I left for work. At 2:00 o`clock, my mother, their grandmother, called and said she couldn`t find them. They`d been on a bike ride, and you know, to come directly to Heather`s home. I only work just up the street. I came directly there.

My mom had been driving around looking for them. We stood in the yard and talked for a few minutes. Heather pulled up, had not been able to find them. It was about 2:20, 2:30 PM. And so Heather said, I`m going to the police station. And that`s when she went to the Evansdale PD to involve them.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html

:waitasec:

 

[Mjskit]

Wylma noticed the kids were missing about 12:30. She drove around to 2 parks but did not see the girls so she went back to the Collins' home. Soon after her arrival Misty came by when she got off work and Heather also just got home from her appointment. TIMES? Wylma leaves the search to go to Waterloo and meet Tammy peeved about the girls but apparently not too worried or she would not have gone to Waterloo. IMO While Wylma is on her way to Waterloo, Heather goes to the police station to report them missing while Misty does what? Wylma gets a call saying the girls have not been found so she and Tammy head back to Evansdale. TIME? When did Misty call Dan? Before Tammy said to go to Myers Lake or after? TIME? When Tammy and Misty(?) arrived at the lake what time was it? Yet no one walked around looking for the girls and (TIME?) went by before a firefighter located the bikes around 3:30 (LE states 4).

Could someone please fill in the times? Please????

 

[SapphireSteel]

I doubt she has her days mixed up. July 13 will be forever etched in their memories and, tragically, so are the 'ifs'.

It was a polite way of saying that I don't think the paddleboater ever existed.

I am trying to be mindful of TOS.

 

[Squeeze]

Uh oh. Here we go again!

Now THAT paddle boat might have gotten some attention!! Paddleboat? Why officer, no I didn't see a paddleboat, just this gigantic swan....

 

[Mjskit]

It was a polite way of saying that I don't think the paddleboater ever existed.

I am trying to be mindful of TOS.

I know. So was I.

 

[Sere-nity]

there was a guy got out of his vehicle and started walking at the depot then i seen, when i returned he left as i did. there was two people fishing on north west corner of the lake . a vehicle pulled in as i was leaving the parking lot of the lake then a few cars on laff that about it

bbm

Do you recall anything about this vehicle?

 

[hollyblue]

This is wierd - I'd never noticed it before.

Regarding calling LE, Tammy implies Heather phoned from the lake.

BROUSSEAU: I did not find them. As I was saying, a man, who I approached and started asking questions, said he had seen the girls going east on the bike trail. It`s a small lake. It wraps around on the south side of the lake.

With my sister Heather, the mother of Elizabeth Collins, the 8-year- old, she called the police at 2 p.m. By 3 p.m., Evansdale police were there, and the deputies from Waterloo were all swarming the place. They went on -- they drove their vehicles right onto the bike trail. We watched them go to the site. They found the bicycles. They contacted us and said, "We have -- we have the bicycles. We have Elizabeth`s purse and no girls."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html


Yet Misty says, they were at the Collins home and Heather went to the station.

I left for work. At 2:00 o`clock, my mother, their grandmother, called and said she couldn`t find them. They`d been on a bike ride, and you know, to come directly to Heather`s home. I only work just up the street. I came directly there.

My mom had been driving around looking for them. We stood in the yard and talked for a few minutes. Heather pulled up, had not been able to find them. It was about 2:20, 2:30 PM. And so Heather said, I`m going to the police station. And that`s when she went to the Evansdale PD to involve them.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html

:waitasec:

I think Tammy gets a little confused when under stress. Her numbers (feet, yards, times) are always a little off. It's just excitable Tammy. I remember clearly the time of 2:47PM for Heather going to the police station...and LE arriving around 3....then it took them an hour to discover the bikes. A vol firefighter found them at 3:58. However it was never stated who told LE to go to the lake.... but again, assuming Tammy or someone called Heather to tell her a man said he saw them there.

I know if it had been me missing and someone told my mother they had seen me there a voice the size of God's would have been echoing my name all over that lake while running up the trail. I would have prolly done the exact same thing if I had been blessed. LOL

 

[threecrazykids]

If one of my kids went missing (they are much younger) but lets just pretend for a minute that I let my kids play outside by themselves for 15 minutes without checking on them. If I went outside and couldn't find them, I'd check every where on our property. But first, I would check the garage, guest house, and dirt mound because THAT is where my kids play.

If I couldn't find them, I'd have the police start searching here, then work their way out. I'd suggest west down our road and not east up the road. I can say with certainty that if my kids went down the driveway they would NEVER head east. Misty and Heather said with certainty that their kids wouldn't go to the lake. I'm inclined to believe them.

They must have told police something that made them search the lake. Was it Tammy's running guy who saw them riding their bikes? Is that what prompted the lake search?

How many people were at the lake when Tammy & crew arrived?

Here is a quote from her interview:

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, Kelly (ph), with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30." Now, whether he`s telling the truth or not, they do have this man`s name. You know, I don`t know. Whether he`s a person of interest, I don`t know.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

So did she approach a group of people and ask? One man stepped forward? How many people were there? I guess he wasn't running, if he stepped out to say he had seen them. I'll stop calling him running man.

I think Tammy was very hectic (I call it hectic) while telling her tale because she was trying to get every piece of info out there. There are different versions of her wording between different transcripts as well...I do feel for her.

The one thing that struck me as odd is that she said "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30".

That is not something someone would reply without being asked "when?" or "how long ago".

These girls hadn't been seen since approx 11:30/12:15 (depending on when you start their "missing" status)...so for someone to just "step forward" and say "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30" doesn't make sense. She's more than likely just condensing the conversation to get her point across to the reporter that she spoke with someone who said they saw them at 2:30 is my guess.

She seemed very frazzled during the interviews trying to tell everything that happened during their search and I'm sure telling the story repeatedly it would make sense to have slight variations.

I do feel that there was SOME reason she thought to look at the lake. We just aren't privy to know why. I know a lawyer had told the family not to speak to the media, but it really surprises me that no further interviews took place to actually ask the family these questions such as "Why did you suggest the lake?" or even interviews asking them to discuss things they ARE able to discuss with the general public about the investigation.

Very disheartening now that the bodies are found it just seems like no active reports are keeping this in the forefront of people's minds.

 

[Skylar]

That is what I've been looking at on maps, and that is where some of the confusion emerges regarding witness statements. Police have the girls at Brovan at 12:15 (confirmed), at 12:23 (possible) and at Elmer/Gilbert/Arbutus (possible). They have the bikes at the drainage gate at 2:00 (jogger, confirmed). The statement from the cyclist in the news is that he saw two bikes on the trail at 12:27 and that he was at the parking lot of Meyers Lake at 12:28. Since we did not hear that he doubled back on the trail and again saw the bikes at a later time, he must have left the parking lot via Elmer/Gilbert shortly after 12:28. That places him at the same location as the girls at the same time that the girls were possibly at that location. Presumably the sighting of the girls on Elmer/Gilbert/Arbutus was with bikes, so how could the bikes be at the SE tip of the lake? Also, if the children and bikes were on Brovan at 12:23, how could the bikes be tossed on the trail a mile away four minutes later? Photos of the cyclist talking with police do not appear to be taken at the drainage pipe gate, but appear to be closer to the people gate that accesses the treed area near Maiden Lane. I see no reason to doubt the cyclist's statement, yet the times conflict with times provided by investigators. It leaves me confused.

I believe some of these times were thrown out there by media to see if other people can confirm if they were other people in those places at that time and saw the same thing.maybe those times are people not sure it was them but it could have been .

 

[roseofsharon]

Interesting to note, the Friends of the Gilbertville Depot celebrated the 100 year anniversary of the building on July 7, 2012, between 1 and 4 p.m.

Per Utube post.

 

[threecrazykids]

This is wierd - I'd never noticed it before.

Regarding calling LE, Tammy implies Heather phoned from the lake.

BROUSSEAU: I did not find them. As I was saying, a man, who I approached and started asking questions, said he had seen the girls going east on the bike trail. It`s a small lake. It wraps around on the south side of the lake.

With my sister Heather, the mother of Elizabeth Collins, the 8-year- old, she called the police at 2 p.m. By 3 p.m., Evansdale police were there, and the deputies from Waterloo were all swarming the place. They went on -- they drove their vehicles right onto the bike trail. We watched them go to the site. They found the bicycles. They contacted us and said, "We have -- we have the bicycles. We have Elizabeth`s purse and no girls."
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html


Yet Misty says, they were at the Collins home and Heather went to the station.

I left for work. At 2:00 o`clock, my mother, their grandmother, called and said she couldn`t find them. They`d been on a bike ride, and you know, to come directly to Heather`s home. I only work just up the street. I came directly there.

My mom had been driving around looking for them. We stood in the yard and talked for a few minutes. Heather pulled up, had not been able to find them. It was about 2:20, 2:30 PM. And so Heather said, I`m going to the police station. And that`s when she went to the Evansdale PD to involve them.
http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/17/ng.01.html

:waitasec:

For police to "swarm the place" then my guess is that the firefighter who found the bikes called police to let them know what he'd found? They seemed to have known immediately that the bikes they found were the girls (and the purse). I'm still confused where the police were from 2 - 3 until they all swarmed the lake...maybe they WERE looking in the vicinity of the home while others went to the lake?

 

[hollyblue]

Wylma noticed the kids were missing about 12:30. She drove around to 2 parks but did not see the girls so she went back to the Collins' home. Soon after her arrival Misty came by when she got off work and Heather also just got home from her appointment. TIMES? Wylma leaves the search to go to Waterloo and meet Tammy peeved about the girls but apparently not too worried or she would not have gone to Waterloo. IMO While Wylma is on her way to Waterloo, Heather goes to the police station to report them missing while Misty does what? Wylma gets a call saying the girls have not been found so she and Tammy head back to Evansdale. TIME? When did Misty call Dan? Before Tammy said to go to Myers Lake or after? TIME? When Tammy and Misty(?) arrived at the lake what time was it? Yet no one walked around looking for the girls and (TIME?) went by before a firefighter located the bikes around 3:30 (LE states 4).

Could someone please fill in the times? Please????

12:30 Wylma goes looking for them. She wanted to leave by 1:30 to pick up Tammy.

At sometime before 2PM she calls Misty to say the girls are missing and she needs to come to the Collin's house and her and Heather look for them because she has to be in Waterloo for Tammy. Misty got off work at 2PM, but she may have left a little early. ??

Heather returns from her appt, Misty comes from her work, Wylma leaves and Heather goes out to look....I don't know what Misty was doing....after her mom left. If she stayed or went on her on her own to look.

Drew calls Wylma and Tammy and says to come back and help look for the kids. They do...and take Kelly, Lizzie's brother along for the search. They go to Meyers Lake. Heather goes to the LE station and Misty to the lake, but I don't what time she arrived? Drew stays home. I don't believe Dan is called until the bikes were found. If wrong, someone chime in!

So the family searched from 12:30 to 2:47 when Heather went to the station.

 

[janie]

One thing that I find odd is that to my recollection, Misty was scheduled to work until 3:00 and she was a new employee at Casey's with only 4 days under her belt? Wylma must not have been worried enough about the girl's disappearance to cancel her appointment with Tammy.

I would have thought Misty might have felt like Wylma, that the other family members would locate the girls and wait until her shift change relief worker clocked in. The fact that she did leave work immediately makes me wonder if the family had been worried about family members safety, maybe threats had been made by someone? Keep in mind Lyric and Tammy's daughter were at a park the week before and were late returning home and Dan or Misty called LE then.

 

[Fukiyama]

Keep in mind that even though it is called a lake, Meyer's Lake is really more like a pond. It is actually a borrow pond, which means a little quarry that was mined for rock to construct I-380. It isn't like a natural lake or a reservoir; it's actually quite small and man made (what man has made, man can unmake).

Just for my clarification, didn't Ollipop say back in a previous thread during the summer that Meyers Lake was enlarged due to borrowing for 380/20, but was there beforehand as a smaller natural lake?

 

[Skylar]

I think we also have to include the 2:00 PM sighting by the "runner".

" Authorities are still searching for anyone who may have been at Meyers Lake before 3 p.m. on July 13, the day two cousins vanished from the community.

...

There was a gentleman who regularly runs around the lake. He didn’t see either one of the girls ... but he did see their bikes and he was able to pinpoint the time of the day that he saw the bikes. Small details like this are really important to the investigation,” she said."

http://wcfcourier.com/news/evansdal...cle_507d9bca-d2b1-11e1-8f0b-0019bb2963f4.html

"On Friday, July 13, 2012, Elizabeth Collins and Lyric Cook went for a bike ride in their hometown of Evansdale, Iowa, a small town that borders the eastern side of Waterloo, Iowa. The girls were seen riding their bikes at 12:30 p.m. that day. At approximately 2:00 p.m., their bikes were found near a gate on the trail that goes around Meyers Lake. Elizabeth and Lyric are still missing."

http://www.iowa.gov/odcp/docs/missingIowagirls.pdf

[/QUOTE]


I dont remember them saying 2pm for the jogger. The FBI spokesperson said this in a news conference i remember this because i felt she meant bicyclist, but dont recall her saying 2pm

 

[hollyblue]

Interesting to note, the Friends of the Gilbertville Depot celebrated the 100 year anniversary of the building on July 7, 2012, between 1 and 4 p.m.

Per Utube post.

Glad you caught that...I mentioned it earlier also. Could be something or could be nothing, but did notice it.

 

[JaimeInLA]

If one of my kids went missing (they are much younger) but lets just pretend for a minute that I let my kids play outside by themselves for 15 minutes without checking on them. If I went outside and couldn't find them, I'd check every where on our property. But first, I would check the garage, guest house, and dirt mound because THAT is where my kids play.

If I couldn't find them, I'd have the police start searching here, then work their way out. I'd suggest west down our road and not east up the road. I can say with certainty that if my kids went down the driveway they would NEVER head east. Misty and Heather said with certainty that their kids wouldn't go to the lake. I'm inclined to believe them.

They must have told police something that made them search the lake. Was it Tammy's running guy who saw them riding their bikes? Is that what prompted the lake search?

How many people were at the lake when Tammy & crew arrived?

Here is a quote from her interview:

We stop at Meyers Lake. I said, "Mom, drive me to Meyer Lake." I had Elizabeth`s older brother who`s 12, Kelly (ph), with us. And I just jumped out and started asking random strangers, "Have you seen two little girls?" Gave them the description, the colors of the bikes, and possibly what they were wearing.

And one man stepped forward and said, "Yes, I seen them going east on the bike trail at about 2:30." Now, whether he`s telling the truth or not, they do have this man`s name. You know, I don`t know. Whether he`s a person of interest, I don`t know.

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/ijvm.01.html

So did she approach a group of people and ask? One man stepped forward? How many people were there? I guess he wasn't running, if he stepped out to say he had seen them. I'll stop calling him running man.

East!? EAST!?!?!?!

Otto just posted a quote from Tammy a page or two ago, in which she says the man told her they were going WEST!

 

[hollyblue]

For police to "swarm the place" then my guess is that the firefighter who found the bikes called police to let them know what he'd found? They seemed to have known immediately that the bikes they found were the girls (and the purse). I'm still confused where the police were from 2 - 3 until they all swarmed the lake...maybe they WERE looking in the vicinity of the home while others went to the lake?

LE didn't arrive at the lake until 3PM.

 

[nursebeeme]

folks: currently we have only verified sierrashelby just a heads up..

 

[Marilynilpa]

One thing that I find odd is that to my recollection, Misty was scheduled to work until 3:00 and she was a new employee at Casey's with only 4 days under her belt? Wylma must not have been worried enough about the girl's disappearance to cancel her appointment with Tammy.

I would have thought Misty might have felt like Wylma, that the other family members would locate the girls and wait until her shift change relief worker clocked in. The fact that she did leave work immediately makes me wonder if the family had been worried about family members safety, maybe threats had been made by someone? Keep in mind Lyric and Tammy's daughter were at a park the week before and were late returning home and Dan or Misty called LE then.

BBM

MISTY COOK-MORRISSEY, MOTHER OF MISSING GIRL: I was getting off work at 2:00. My mom gave a call on the cell phone to let me know, the girls haven't been back from their bike ride. Why don't you drive right over here and we'll continue to look for them.

My mom had some plans for the night so I drove over. We looked for them, couldn't find them, went to the police station. When the police found the bikes, that's kind of when it got serious and we realized it was more than just them off playing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/16/acd.01.html