IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #25

[alliemay]

That's a really great idea IMO. I've had so many opions since July, but I always come back to thinking it has something to do withy when Lyric was late with the other cousin or an adult became interested in one of the girls through church, school, or extra curricular activities. Taking both girls was either unplanned or a bonus in IMO. When there is an arrest I think everyone may be very surprised with the suspect. This may be an "oh they would never do that kind of deal" & so nobody would suspect them even if they did have a relationship with one of the girls.

I wish we had more information about the day Lyric and her other cousin went missing. Like who did they talk to that day at the lake and how long did they stay. Some posts have suggested that if by chance, the girls had asked for directions that day, that it was not possible for them to have driven their on their own. But Lyric had been there before with another cousin, going there from a different direction.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Yes there is a link her and her partner tried to abduct a boy from Cedar Falls the father was with the boy and the woman went back into the vechicle Some where in La she is in Jail . back a few posts they gave a web connection regarding her . She graps kids and sells them to perps that have sex with them and nmaybe when there done they dump the kisds off in the state they are from the perps she was living with at the time of arrest were using these poor inocent angels in a sex inviorment .Pat

I think perhaps you have two stories confused into one.

There was a woman arrested in California related to child *advertiser censored*. She does not grab kids and sell them - she was seen in a child *advertiser censored* video made a decade ago. This woman has tattoos.

There was a woman who allegedly tried to abduct a boy in Cedar Falls. This woman had a tattoo on her hand.

They are not the same woman.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I wish we had more information about the day Lyric and her other cousin went missing. Like who did they talk to that day at the lake and how long did they stay. Some posts have suggested that if by chance, the girls had asked for directions that day, that it was not possible for them to have driven their on their own. But Lyric had been there before with another cousin, going there from a different direction.

The time Lyric was late getting home with her cousin was in Waterloo, not Evansdale, and it didn't involve Meyers Lake.

 

[otto]

I understand your frustration, and I'm sorry if I have added to it.

I do have certain theories that I cannot discuss because they tangentially involve some of the family. But I do not believe the girls were killed as a direct result of the drug use of any family member.

And I'll quit using the back-door TOS comment, I can see how that could be annoying.

Thanks ... it's been a bit of a frustrating day in this corner of the world ... I'll sit back, crack a beer, crank the stereo and calm down. Cheers

 

[iamnotagolem]

Yes there is a link her and her partner tried to abduct a boy from Cedar Falls the father was with the boy and the woman went back into the vechicle Some where in La she is in Jail . back a few posts they gave a web connection regarding her . She graps kids and sells them to perps that have sex with them and nmaybe when there done they dump the kisds off in the state they are from the perps she was living with at the time of arrest were using these poor inocent angels in a sex inviorment .Pat

I've read every post on this thread, I have seen nothing like that. Someone asked about releasing the names of the 245 arrestees from Operation Sunflower. JamieinLA posted a link stating that they are releasing the names in the local area for the arrests. The woman with the tattoo was local to her area.

After she posted the link to the news article in her area someone else mentioned that there was an alleged abduction attempt in IA this past summer and wondered if there was a connection. The two people who allegedly tried to kidnap the little boy were never found.

The lady in the article, that has now been arrested, that Jamie posted was seen in a child *advertiser censored* picture from 11 years ago in the LA, California area.

I've read the news articles about the lady and have seen no connection to iowa. But I may have missed something.

 

[iamnotagolem]

Okay I've attached all of the conversations, so hopefully this will explain the confusion.

O/T but you guys might find this interesting (and sickening):

More than 100 children have been rescued from the clutches of pedophiles after a massive U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency raid.

The ground-breaking investigation - named 'Operation Sunflower' - was executed America-wide between November 2012 and the first week of December, and resulted in 245 arrests.

A total of 123 sexually exploited children were identified by ICE agents working with Homeland Security Investigations by targeting people who own, trade and produce child *advertiser censored*.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...pedophiles-clutches-America-massive-raid.html

I would love to see that list too and know if any were in Iowa. Maybe once they are tried AND CONVICTED they would be willing to do so. As much as I hate to defend anyone associated with this behavior I don't know that it's really fair to release all of their names etc. If there was some sort of distortion and someone arrested was not found guilty it probably wouldn't even matter once they are associated with the arrest.

Once you have any type of association with a crime like this your life would be forever changed...even if you're found NOT guilty. Guilty by association my parents would call it.

But...if they plea bargain or get convicted then I think it's fair game to release their names. I won't go into my rant about how I think anyone who commits a felony should ALSO have their names put out there for their community to know...but that rant I will save for a different day.:floorlaugh:

They are releasing them to the local press in each community where the perps are suspected to live. Here is the one that went out to my local community this morning:

http://woodlandhills.patch.com/arti...child-pornographers?ncid=newsltuspatc00000001

They don't know the name of the woman involved, but they have her photo, and descriptions of her tattoos. Hopefully someone will be able to identify her from this info and she can be found and arrested.

I recall a while back in not the same as the Cousins a diffrent county a young boy was walking with his bike and the woman ran after him and tried to get him into the vechicle the boy yelled and his dad was out there running towards his son the woman had tatoo's on her wrist ? Does any one elese remember that ?

Yep...that was right here in Cedar Rapids over on the west side. The little boy was riding his bike, the van pulled over and the woman got out and tried to pull him off! His dad was on a motorcycle riding by him and he was able to wrestle the boy away! He identified her as having a tattoo on her hand. I was so sad he didn't get the license.

A couple...boy riding bike and dad following behind on motorcycle. They tried to nab him along with the bike. Yep.....and was a while before he reported it.

I may be repeating news but she was arrested last night! One gone, many to go.

eta: http://www.seattlepi.com/news/crime...-child-*advertiser censored*-case-4167653.php

 

[iamnotagolem]

I'm reading the old news articles and they repeat in each one "no evidence of foul play". Did LE ever change their stance on that? At 7 days they labeled it an abduction, two girls were clearly missing and not where they should be, isn't that evidence enough of foul play? Is there certain criteria that must be met before they view the case as a criminal case?

 

[GrainneDhu]

Sorry I'm just reading old transcripts to see what I might have missed. I never thought about what everyone did after they involved police, and after the bikes were found. I assumed they kept looking, calling the girls' friends, driving around town looking for them, etc.

Here is the transcript from the interview:

BROUSSEAU: OK. So then we watched the investigators put the crime scene tape up. They were down there for a very long time. I would say approximately three hours, maybe more, you know, doing their investigation.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1207/19/ng.01.html

So they just sat and watched? Did everyone or just part of the family? Surely at that point there was still hope that the girls were alive, why not look for them, why watch to see what police dug up?

If I were in control of the scene, I'd want the family to be contained in one location. Not because they were suspects but because from a public safety standpoint, terrified family members are probably not the safest drivers on the road. Also, LE and volunteer firefighters had already been all over the town. Where was the family supposed to search?

A long, long time ago, I had a job as a crisis intervention worker. I did several call-outs for potential drowning victims along the Iowa River. Every single family I worked with were glued to the scene where their family member had probably gone in. In a few of those cases, there were no eyewitnesses but personal effects (a wallet in one case, a purse and shoes in another case) were found by the river.

Hope would say that those potential drowning victims could have been somewhere else, in a much larger and more difficult to search town, so why would the families be glued to the victims' last known point? I think because it is human nature to hold tight onto physical mementos of a loved one.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I completely disagree. Every time a child is abducted, and one parent has some involvement with drugs, social media websites get completely derailed by trying to twist that drug use into every theory about the abduction. Victoria Stafford is an excellent example of this. Her mother abused pharmaceutical drugs, and the majority of people commenting on the case tried to find a way to hold the mother responsible for her daughter's abduction and murder. Everything she did and said was twisted to imply guilt. Two other people have been arrested and convicted for the murder. The mother had absolutely nothing to do with the murder of her daughter.

I'm 100% confident that this case is no different. It's truly unfortunate that the parents have some history of drug abuse, but the system intervened and one of the children of the drug users was placed in a safe environment. Presumably the other child was placed in a different safe environment.

If this had anything to do with drugs, then I would like to hear any explanation about why Elizabeth was abducted and murdered, and why other children of the drug using parents were never put in any type of protective custody.

Regarding the family dynamics ... are there 7 or 9 siblings in the Cook family? We know about three of the daughters ... what about all the rest of the siblings? Two of the siblings lost their children to a predator. A third sibling, Tammy, has spoken on behalf of Misty and Heather. That's her only involvement in this case.

What I see happening is what often happens when a case goes cold ... people turn on each other, or they turn on the family. This case doesn't add up properly because the perp covered his tracks very well ... in my opinion ... it has nothing to do with the family of the victims.

Well said, Otto, and I agree with it all.

In other cases, even when LE has clearly said that the family is not suspects WS'ers start to speculate on them. I think it is a frustration thing. One example would be the Sierra LaMar case, where both her mother and her mother's live in partner were WS suspects. Her mother's conduct in public was scrutinised harshly; for instance, her mother was photographed at the search centre talking to volunteers and smiling. OH MY! How on earth could the mother of a missing daughter smile if she weren't guilty???

Well, it turned out that neither Sierra's mother nor her mother's live in partner were guilty.

 

[Marilynilpa]

I'm reading the old news articles and they repeat in each one "no evidence of foul play". Did LE ever change their stance on that? At 7 days they labeled it an abduction, two girls were clearly missing and not where they should be, isn't that evidence enough of foul play? Is there certain criteria that must be met before they view the case as a criminal case?

I think by foul play, they meant murder. They kept saying they thought the girls were alive, therefore no foul play?

I don't know if that even makes sense to me . . .:waitasec: I'm probably wrong about this!

 

[Just Pat 22]

Is there a connection to Iowa that I'm missing? How is she connected to these girls?

That they arrested in Woodland Hills out side of LA belongs to a sex club that evidently they travel all over abducting innocent children Yes she is connected tio Iowa tried to grab a boy and his bike the dad was right there the kid saw her tatoos and dad didn't get the license # to bad they were a couple working togeather .

 

[carbuff]

Thanks ... I'm reacting more to the numerous comments I've read in the last few days implying that the family is involved ... particularly comments like "I know the answer but the TOS prevent me from answering". It's like a backdoor comment used to impugn the family's integrity. It doesn't sit well with me.

There are reasons other than family for not pursuing certain lines of inquiry. We can't sleuth or involve anybody who hasn't been mentioned in the media, so most any theory has to stay as a generality. It can't get specifically into who-what-where-when, and that's no matter whether it's the close family, extended family, friends and neighbors, or people on bikes.

That's as it should be. They didn't ask to be drawn into this and they don't need us questioning their veracity or their motivation. But it does limit where our ideas can go.

That's all I intended by my comment -- that my speculations had gone as far as they could go without getting into real people. I was trying hard *NOT* to impugn anybody.

 

[GrainneDhu]

My first thought at hearing about the hotel situation was that they may have needed a private place to talk and maybe they feared their homes were bugged. I could be wrong, but I think they had been seen in public together at that point, because honestly, who would put parents in jail for violating a no contact order when their child was missing?

Besides which, if the person who took out the restraining order agrees to or invites contact by the person served by the restraining order, it is invalidated in Iowa. No one will get arrested for violating a restraining order if both parties agree to or invite contact.

 

[alliemay]

The time Lyric was late getting home with her cousin was in Waterloo, not Evansdale, and it didn't involve Meyers Lake.

Thanks for the Waterloo reference, wasn't aware. Maybe I didn't read the article well enough the first time. Misty said "the family swims at another nearby lake regularly," but didn't say which one. Wonder what lake she is talking about?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-resumes-for-missing-cousins-iowa-police-say/

 

[iamnotagolem]

That they arrested in Woodland Hills out side of LA belongs to a sex club that evidently they travel all over abducting innocent children Yes she is connected tio Iowa tried to grab a boy and his bike the dad was right there the kid saw her tatoos and dad didn't get the license # to bad they were a couple working togeather .

Link please?

 

[GrainneDhu]

I wish we had more information about the day Lyric and her other cousin went missing. Like who did they talk to that day at the lake and how long did they stay. Some posts have suggested that if by chance, the girls had asked for directions that day, that it was not possible for them to have driven their on their own. But Lyric had been there before with another cousin, going there from a different direction.

As I understand it, the previous time Lyric went missing, she was with her cousin and they were in Waterloo, not Evansdale. No connection to Meyers Lake.

 

[iamnotagolem]

That they arrested in Woodland Hills out side of LA belongs to a sex club that evidently they travel all over abducting innocent children Yes she is connected tio Iowa tried to grab a boy and his bike the dad was right there the kid saw her tatoos and dad didn't get the license # to bad they were a couple working togeather .

Letha Mae Montemayor, 52, was arrested outside an apartment complex at about 7:30 p.m. Thursday by Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) agents, along with Los Angeles Police Department officers, ICE spokeswoman Virginia Kice said.


The charges involve a widely circulated series of child *advertiser censored* images believed to have been taken about 11 years ago in Encino and elsewhere in the Valley.

Tucker said his mother was working as a prostitute at the time the photos were taken, and Montemayor knew the alleged victim's mother.

"The story we had gotten from her was that her mother was prostituting her and that maybe my mom had gotten in a fight with her mother," Tucker told Channel 9. "... She said her mother had left her high and dry with a drug habit."

http://woodlandhills.patch.com/arti...-john-doe-child-*advertiser censored*-suspect

 

[GrainneDhu]

Thanks for the Waterloo reference, wasn't aware. Maybe I didn't read the article well enough the first time. Misty said "the family swims at another nearby lake regularly," but didn't say which one. Wonder what lake she is talking about?

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...-resumes-for-missing-cousins-iowa-police-say/

George Wyth Lake.

 

[alliemay]

Up thread, I also thanked Marlyn, details are important, facts are important.

 

[Just Pat 22]

Thanks ... I'm reacting more to the numerous comments I've read in the last few days implying that the family is involved ... particularly comments like "I know the answer but the TOS prevent me from answering". It's like a backdoor comment used to impugn the family's integrity. It doesn't sit well with me.

I think perhaps you have two stories confused into one.

There was a woman arrested in California related to child *advertiser censored*. She does not grab kids and sell them - she was seen in a child *advertiser censored* video made a decade ago. This woman has tattoos.

There was a woman who allegedly tried to abduct a boy in Cedar Falls. This woman had a tattoo on her hand.

They are not the same woman.

I disagree you need to read her full story and the tatoo's the boy in cedar falls saw on her wrist .