IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #28

[Marilynilpa]

Is it really true that the bodies have not been released to the families?

I think this is another one of those things we just don't know. We know from previous media reports that Lizzie was to be buried and Lyric was to be cremated, but there has been no media coverage stating a burial or a cremation has taken place.

I've seen no mention on Heather's FB page of any funeral for Lizzie.

She has posted some precious photos of Lizzie, for those of you who might be interested:

https://www.facebook.com/heather.collins.31?fref=ts

 

[Marilynilpa]

:great:

That's why I'm sticking around too. Even if there aren't any breaks in the case, I'm all for hanging out and :deadhorse: on old stuff until something happens.

Doesn't bother me at all to hash and rehash the same things.

Speaking of rehashing...I believe we're due for either the paddle boat or wild pig conversation to be tossed back into the mix.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

I'd enjoy seeing a wild pig steering a paddle boat - now that would be a sight!

ETA: This is O/T, but somewhat connected:

After a morning of island gawking and snorkeling with tire-sized rays, we stop for an early lunch at Staniel Cay Yacht Club and collect the kitchen scraps to feed hungry pigs. We're off to Big Major Cay, and even before the boat slows down to skim the shoreline, here come the pigs! Hearing our boat motor, they come charging out of the bushes heading straight for us at full speed, leaping into the water, squealing, snorting, and doing the piggie-paddle all the way. Who knew pigs could float? We are hysterical, laughing at their upturned snouts and eager grunts of anticipation. After taking several minutes to make friends and share food scraps, it's everyone into the water – time to swim with pigs.

http://blogcritics.org/culture/article/exuma-trip-report-swimming-with-wild2/

 

[joerose]

Thanks
I read it here ... but will be more careful to double check facts in the future.

Otto, You probably got that figure because Evansdale, Cedar Falls and Waterloo are all a metropolitan from what I have read and their population together exceeds 100,000. That is one thing that makes me wonder if this wasn't someone from the city of Cedar Falls who just happens to spend time in Evansdale. He/she could easily go back to Cedar Falls and blend right in.
I don't consider towns with small populations that are suburbs of good sized towns or cities to really be small towns because they are so close that anyone could travel back and forth and blend in really easily.
I have never been to any of these places, but this is what I have gathered from reading.

 

[joerose]

Here we go...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evansdale,_Iowa

 

[Ommmm]

Otto, You probably got that figure because Evansdale, Cedar Falls and Waterloo are all a metropolitan from what I have read and their population together exceeds 100,000. That is one thing that makes me wonder if this wasn't someone from the city of Cedar Falls who just happens to spend time in Evansdale. He/she could easily go back to Cedar Falls and blend right in.
I don't consider towns with small populations that are suburbs of good sized towns or cities to really be small towns because they are so close that anyone could travel back and forth and blend in really easily.
I have never been to any of these places, but this is what I have gathered from reading.

You're right joerose, Evansdale is kind of a suburb of the larger cities, Waterloo and Cedar Falls. But if people are speaking of Waterloo/Cedar Falls and smaller surrounding communities as a whole we often refer to it as the Cedar Valley. That kind of covers it all. I tend to think of it as one big (somewhat) town, myself, I don't usually think of someone from Cedar Falls or Evansdale as being from another town.

 

[Marilynilpa]

You're right joerose, Evansdale is kind of a suburb of the larger cities, Waterloo and Cedar Falls. But if people are speaking of Waterloo/Cedar Falls and smaller surrounding communities as a whole we often refer to it as the Cedar Valley. That kind of covers it all. I tend to think of it as one big (somewhat) town, myself, I don't usually think of someone from Cedar Falls or Evansdale as being from another town.

Hey, another local!:seeya: Thanks for posting.

 

[Ommmm]

Hey, another local!:seeya: Thanks for posting.

Yep. Grew up in Evansdale, went to college in Cedar Falls, and live in Waterloo. It's all home to me.

:greetings:

 

[otto]

Otto, You probably got that figure because Evansdale, Cedar Falls and Waterloo are all a metropolitan from what I have read and their population together exceeds 100,000. That is one thing that makes me wonder if this wasn't someone from the city of Cedar Falls who just happens to spend time in Evansdale. He/she could easily go back to Cedar Falls and blend right in.
I don't consider towns with small populations that are suburbs of good sized towns or cities to really be small towns because they are so close that anyone could travel back and forth and blend in really easily.
I have never been to any of these places, but this is what I have gathered from reading.

Thank you. I did read here that the population was 100,000, so that must have been a reference to the population that works, lives, visits and recreates in the Evansdale area. I agree that the perp could be someone from the general area and, in fact, I think that it's more likely that the perp lives in the general area given that the children were abducted in Evansdale and their bodies were left 20 miles North.

 

[boneheaded]

Maybe something's up here.

Chelsea Beahr, a former acomplist was arrested on Sat. 2/9/2013

Same charges two days apart!

I thought I saw that Dan's Bond was $350,000 but I can't a link now.

Anybody have that link?

Saturday: 2/9/2013 BEAHR,CHELSEA COLLEEN ARRESTED FOR
PROBATION VIOLATION, POSS OF METHAMPHETAMINE, DRUG PARAPHERNALIA, POSS CONTR SUB-MARIJUANA-3 $101,075.00

http://www.bhcso.org/Print.aspx?o=booking&id=13001004

Monday: 2/11/2013 Dan Morrissey, 36, of Waterloo, and the father of the late Lyric Cook, was arrested Monday and is currently being held in the Black Hawk County Jail after his bond was revoked because of multiple parole violations.

Those violations include testing positive for methamphetamine and marijuana on July 23 and Sept. 19, and testing positive for meth, marijuana and amphetamines on Feb. 4.

http://www.kwwl.com/story/21136773/...ositive-for-drugs-multiple-times-back-in-jail

Also the who's in jail site has been frozen since Monday 2/11/2013 and doesn't show anything about Dan's arrest. Anybody knows whats up with this?

http://www.bhcso.org/WhosInJail.aspx

 

[palaminodee]

what on earth is this guy doing??
Where is he getting the drugs from, why is he not going to rehab appts etc?
For some reason, I thought Dan was under a more watchful eye by LE, guess I was wrong about that.
It appears jail is the only solution for him at this point, very sad.
I hope they know who is supplying him with drugs after he has been in rehab and put them away too.
I feel sorry for his son.

 

[joerose]

Since we are talking about the population of the whole area, I'll bring up something that has been in the back of my mind all along.

Since that metro area is more than 100,000, it makes me question the parents for letting the girls ride their bikes on the street alone in an area with that many people living there. It seems like it might not be the norm for kids to be out alone since it is actually a pretty good sized place and plenty big enough to have loads of sexual predators or weirdos.

..I am not trying to bash the parents for letting their girls out alone like that, but it doesn't seem as "safe" as some people have made it sound.

..I am originally from a small town in Nebraska of 1,300 people and as kids we ran all over that town by ourselves, but Lincoln for example at that time was 100,000 and I know my parents would never have let me do that in a city that size. I would not have let my daughter out of my sight in a city that size. I am not trying to be mean or judgemental, I just think this sheds a different light on the situation than has been portrayed at times.
And opens up many more possibilities.
It isn't a small "Mayberry" type place.

 

[joerose]

Yep. Grew up in Evansdale, went to college in Cedar Falls, and live in Waterloo. It's all home to me.

:greetings:

It is a beautiful place!

 

[Marilynilpa]

what on earth is this guy doing??
Where is he getting the drugs from, why is he not going to rehab appts etc?
For some reason, I thought Dan was under a more watchful eye by LE, guess I was wrong about that.
It appears jail is the only solution for him at this point, very sad.
I hope they know who is supplying him with drugs after he has been in rehab and put them away too.
I feel sorry for his son.

BBM

That was one of my first thoughts when I learned Dan had been arrested. Poor Dillin - he's had to go through a lot, and I hope he has learned better coping skills than his parents. JMO.

 

[Marilynilpa]

Since we are talking about the population of the whole area, I'll bring up something that has been in the back of my mind all along.

Since that metro area is more than 100,000, it makes me question the parents for letting the girls ride their bikes on the street alone in an area with that many people living there. It seems like it might not be the norm for kids to be out alone since it is actually a pretty good sized place and plenty big enough to have loads of sexual predators or weirdos.

..I am not trying to bash the parents for letting their girls out alone like that, but it doesn't seem as "safe" as some people have made it sound.

..I am originally from a small town in Nebraska of 1,300 people and as kids we ran all over that town by ourselves, but Lincoln for example at that time was 100,000 and I know my parents would never have let me do that in a city that size. I would not have let my daughter out of my sight in a city that size. I am not trying to be mean or judgemental, I just think this sheds a different light on the situation than has been portrayed at times.
And opens up many more possibilities.
It isn't a small "Mayberry" type place.

I grew up in Dallas, Texas, not a small town by any means. But the individual neighborhoods were more or less like small towns in that you knew a lot of the people there and knew what areas you should avoid.

My sister and I rode our bikes all over the place in our neighborhood, and I don't think my parents were overly worried about our safety. Now, if they had known how far we were really riding our bikes, that would have been another story.:what:

I don't find it unusual that Lyric and Lizzie were allowed to ride their bikes in their neighborhood. But I agree with you that Evansdale isn't exactly a small town, since it's part of a larger metropolitan area. Maybe it's possible that the dangers were underestimated because of a false feeling of security.

I feel it is possible the girls routinely rode their bikes further than they were supposed to. JMO.

 

[joerose]

I grew up in Dallas, Texas, not a small town by any means. But the individual neighborhoods were more or less like small towns in that you knew a lot of the people there and knew what areas you should avoid.

My sister and I rode our bikes all over the place in our neighborhood, and I don't think my parents were overly worried about our safety. Now, if they had known how far we were really riding our bikes, that would have been another story.:what:

I don't find it unusual that Lyric and Lizzie were allowed to ride their bikes in their neighborhood. But I agree with you that Evansdale isn't exactly a small town, since it's part of a larger metropolitan area. Maybe it's possible that the dangers were underestimated because of a false feeling of security.

I appreciate and respect your response and I am sure that if Lyric and Elizabeth's families thought there was any danger, they wouldn't have let them ride alone. I agree with you about the familiar neighborhoods and feeling safe in those areas. This should never have happened to them and it certainly wasn't the fault of anyone in their family for letting them ride bikes alone. They should have been safe doing that...just as we were. The only person at fault is whoever did this to them.

 

[ktgirl]

Sorry to hear about Dan.

He is an addict and it is difficult for recovering addicts to stay sober in the face of stress - and having your child go missing/end up murdered is the most extreme stressor I can think of.

Lyric's parents have long been in my thoughts as far as their addictions & the stress from their child's disappearance/murder. I have an addiction to food and I overeat when I'm stressed. I know if I've had an awful day, all I want to do is eat an entire package of oreos & have to fight not to do so. And that's just your run-of-the-mill "something went wrong at work, got a flat tire, etc" type of bad day. It's sad (especially for Lyric's brother), but I feel great sympathy & empathy for Dan. I know how hard it is for me not to reach for the comfort of carbs after a bad day and I've never had a day as bad as any of the days Dan has had since July 13, 2012. Dan was surely looking to find comfort in his old friend, his addiction. He likely knew it would mean his parole would be revoked but was extremely desperate for some kind of comfort & escape. He's someone with an addiction to something as strong as meth & is/was facing such an extreme stressor. Think about how upset we here on WS were & are that we felt helpless to bring Lizzie & Lyric home and now we feel helpless as to find the person(s) responsible. Imagine being the girls' family members and feeling so helpless. Throw an addiction into the mix and you've got a real struggle.

I hope he is able to realize that he has to go on & live the best life he can for Lyric (and her family members) because she cannot live her life. I hope he realizes that he owes it to his deceased daughter to live a true, loving, long, vibrant life (and that is not possible with meth in the mix).
Love & light to Lizzie's family.

 

[ktgirl]

Thanks to JoeRose for your amazing post. You said it best, the only person to blame is the person who did this to Lyric & Lizzie. No one else.

I feel the need to add in - your child can be abducted & murdered in a town of 1,300 or a town of 130,000. Just depends on the child happening to crossing paths with one bad person at a time of opportunity. I know we think of small towns as being safer, but it all just seems to depend on luck in a lot of ways.

I know of plenty of small, rural towns with big-city-type drug problems. There's even a small town in Louisiana called Jennings with a population of a little over 10,000 that has a serial killer who has killed eight women in less than a decade, most of whom were involved in the town's thriving drug & prostitution business.

Just saying that really, no place is safe is you happen to cross paths with the wrong person at an opportune time (opportune for the perpetrator).

 

[georger]

I feel that LE's consistent refusal to comment on whether a killer is on the loose means that there is no killer on the loose. If LE felt the community was truly in danger of further child abductions/murders, it would be negligent of them not to state that. JMO.

[/quote]

I dont feel too much should be read into these 'statements'. IMO he said
"nothing" of real substance that was not already known or assumed. That so few citizens showed up makes me wonder why he appeared at all, at this time. And once again, I saw none of this covered on KCRG (maybe I missed it but I watch the news at ten every night). Surely they could release a few simple facts that to to the heart of the case, if they have them, but I guess not. . . .

:banghead:

 

[georger]

Only eight people showing up for a town hall meeting tells me the people of Evansdale don't really give a crap about what is happening in their community. It doesn't tell me they are satisfied with LE's investigation at all. Well, maybe they are "satisfied" but it doesn't tell me that LE is doing a good job/is getting closer to solving the case. I think it actually says that most of them don't feel there is a killer on the loose.

I did hear the Dan was arrested for probation violations - that was on the news (but again not by KCRG!) ; minor violations imo. My immediate thought was and still is: is this beginning of a series of events involving Dan that will only escalate, as it did for another father in a similar child case we are familiar with. So ... we know LE is busy watching Dan, whatever else they are doing or not doing!
:jail:

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Since we are talking about the population of the whole area, I'll bring up something that has been in the back of my mind all along.

Since that metro area is more than 100,000, it makes me question the parents for letting the girls ride their bikes on the street alone in an area with that many people living there. It seems like it might not be the norm for kids to be out alone since it is actually a pretty good sized place and plenty big enough to have loads of sexual predators or weirdos.

..I am not trying to bash the parents for letting their girls out alone like that, but it doesn't seem as "safe" as some people have made it sound.

..I am originally from a small town in Nebraska of 1,300 people and as kids we ran all over that town by ourselves, but Lincoln for example at that time was 100,000 and I know my parents would never have let me do that in a city that size. I would not have let my daughter out of my sight in a city that size. I am not trying to be mean or judgemental, I just think this sheds a different light on the situation than has been portrayed at times.
And opens up many more possibilities.
It isn't a small "Mayberry" type place.

Well, IMO, I don't think that just because a place has a small population, it is safer. There have been cases on WS that take place in small towns, and they have pretty much destroyed my vision of them. I feel like Hollywood puts out this whole ~majestic Mayberry~ image, but it's an illusion. I guess it's just personal preference, but I have no desire to live in a place like Satsuma, Florida or Colorado City, TX. I am not saying all small towns are like them, but I think there is a difference between the small town that is surrounded by more populated areas, and the small town that is the middle of nowhere. Like if your town only relies on one industry, that can mean huge problems if that industry was to ever close; that's why so many small towns are a shadow of what they once were. Okay I am rambling...

But there are plenty of places across the United States that have high populations, in high metropolitan areas, and are just as safe as a small town in the middle of nowhere.