IA IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #34

[janie]

2. Can you link to me where it is stated by LE that Drew and Heather were being cooperative? Just one link is fine...not the dozens you mention.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...girls-case-mom-says-she-passed-polygraph?lite

"A spokesman for the Collins' family, Craig Ceilly, emphasized that Heather and Drew Collins have been "cooperating 300 percent from day one" with investigators as they live through what he called their worst nightmare."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/19/nation/la-na-nn-missing-iowa-cousins-20120719

“Heather and Drew have been called in so many times by the FBI and gone willingly because one little answer could lead to something,” said Renee Wrabek, who has known the couple for six years. “They want to do whatever it takes to get those children found.”


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...18/missing-Iowa-girls-bodies-found-by-hunters

"Abben last summer repeatedly said the families had been cooperative and noted in late July that police had never said “the investigation is going toward the family.”

 

[SapphireSteel]

We are still not allowed to sleuth the parents, right?


fftobed:

 

[EchoinEdale]

Thank you for sharing that. It is good to hear from someone who was actually THERE to witness behaviors during the initial days. :seeya:

I don't disagree with you on the foot searches now that you mention it. As a mother, I'm not sure I'd be out walking fields, searching ditches either. But I really think my husband would...I really do. I think he'd be frantically out looking, even if it meant the worst...but I don't know that I could. I'd want to do whatever I could to get the word out, so I guess that is why I relate to Misty and Tammy's behavior the most. I would be doing every interview I could to keep me busy and get the word out and beg and plead to anyone who would listen.

Sadly, I just can't relate to Heather. I want to understand her behavior, but it's just not how I PERSONALLY would act, so I struggle with it. I don't think I could just stand around at the fire station handing out water or food or whatever. I would have to feel like I was contributing in some way - showing effort in an attempt to find them.

I'm sure because you are right there in town you've got different perspectives. I'm local - not as close as you (Cedar Rapids area) but it's all hit way too close to home for me. I did however go to 7 Bridges and take videos just to show members what the area looked like, and it was emotionally draining. I had planned to get back there around the July timeframe to show the overgrowth of where they were found etc. but have not yet found one dang day to do it!

I appreciate that... I do not PERSONALLY know any of the family - but knwo who they are b/c of t/v etc. for what it is worth - Heather looked very rough to me when I saw her - and Drew looked tired...

i personally wasn't able to do the foot searches as well b/c my hubby was out of town - I was on kid duty!

You know - I do appreciate on this wall that we can agree - and show different perspectives and still be very respectful of one another.

 

[Aymstriss]

I appreciate that... I do not PERSONALLY know any of the family - but knwo who they are b/c of t/v etc. for what it is worth - Heather looked very rough to me when I saw her - and Drew looked tired...

i personally wasn't able to do the foot searches as well b/c my hubby was out of town - I was on kid duty!

You know - I do appreciate on this wall that we can agree - and show different perspectives and still be very respectful of one another.

Most of the time....:floorlaugh:

 

[Aymstriss]

I appreciate that... I do not PERSONALLY know any of the family - but knwo who they are b/c of t/v etc. for what it is worth - Heather looked very rough to me when I saw her - and Drew looked tired...

i personally wasn't able to do the foot searches as well b/c my hubby was out of town - I was on kid duty!

You know - I do appreciate on this wall that we can agree - and show different perspectives and still be very respectful of one another.

I don't know any of the family personally either. One of my good friends knows Drew from wayyy back. They both worked at Johnson's Bakery together.

The only family member I ever see is Heather. I drive through Evansdale everyday on my way to work, and everyday I think about those poor girls.

 

[threecrazykids]

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...girls-case-mom-says-she-passed-polygraph?lite

"A spokesman for the Collins' family, Craig Ceilly, emphasized that Heather and Drew Collins have been "cooperating 300 percent from day one" with investigators as they live through what he called their worst nightmare."

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/jul/19/nation/la-na-nn-missing-iowa-cousins-20120719

“Heather and Drew have been called in so many times by the FBI and gone willingly because one little answer could lead to something,” said Renee Wrabek, who has known the couple for six years. “They want to do whatever it takes to get those children found.”


http://www.desmoinesregister.com/ar...18/missing-Iowa-girls-bodies-found-by-hunters

"Abben last summer repeatedly said the families had been cooperative and noted in late July that police had never said “the investigation is going toward the family.”

Two of the 3 links are from the Collin's friends and family, not LE, and the last link is a blanket statement from Abben regarding "the family" being cooperative.

I thought there were supposedly dozens of links from LE where they clearly state that Heather and Drew were cooperating and Misty and Dan were not.
:waitasec:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Two of the 3 links are from the Collin's friends and family, not LE, and the last link is a blanket statement from Abben regarding "the family" being cooperative.

I thought there were supposedly dozens of links from LE where they clearly state that Heather and Drew were cooperating and Misty and Dan were not.
:waitasec:

There are a few.

This case has been inconsistent from the start.

LE seem to be playing some sort of mind game with the perp. The inconsistencies are not being explained, perhaps to intentionally rattle the perp?

:cow:

 

[Snowbunny]

A lot of times LE would prefer that the parents of a missing child didn't go out on the searches. Can you imagine what a mother or father's reaction would be if they happen to come upon their child that had been traumatized and murdered? That is the reason they don't like them out there.

 

[threecrazykids]

We are still not allowed to sleuth the parents, right?


fftobed:

We are allowed to discuss anything that is in MSM, I thought? I don't think anything has been discussed outside of what has been linked to in MSM. Everything else has been opinions of how we see ourselves acting in a particular event and whether we relate to or don't relate to their actions.

I don't consider discussing behaviors as bashing, which is what we've been in trouble for before...at least I hope not. Every case I've read on here those closest to the case have been discussed (as far as behaviors of any players close to the events).

:dunno:

 

[threecrazykids]

There are a few.

This case has been inconsistent from the start.

LE seem to be playing some sort of mind game with the perp. The inconsistencies are not being explained, perhaps to intentionally rattle the perp?

:cow:

I agree! I mean, I expect SOME small variances here and there in any case...but wow.:scared:

I am not sure that the family hasn't had the inconsistencies answered, but that we the general public aren't just the ones confused. :floorlaugh:

I don't know about you, but if I had questions about anyone's whereabouts and stories I'd be on the phone RIGHT NOW asking them wth is up.

They just don't share this to MSM...dang it, anyway! :floorlaugh:

 

[SapphireSteel]

We are allowed to discuss anything that is in MSM, I thought? I don't think anything has been discussed outside of what has been linked to in MSM. Everything else has been opinions of how we see ourselves acting in a particular event and whether we relate to or don't relate to their actions.

I don't consider discussing behaviors as bashing, which is what we've been in trouble for before...at least I hope not. Every case I've read on here those closest to the case have been discussed (as far as behaviors of any players close to the events).

:dunno:

I was looking back through some old threads, they are pretty much a No Go.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the heck out of it! And I'm no mod!

There's so much I want to say about this crew....! :banghead:

 

[SapphireSteel]

A lot of times LE would prefer that the parents of a missing child didn't go out on the searches. Can you imagine what a mother or father's reaction would be if they happen to come upon their child that had been traumatized and murdered? That is the reason they don't like them out there.

That is A reason, but the main reason they don't want them out there is that statistically, they are the ones who caused the trauma/murder in the first place, so they don't want them to be able to contaminate a crime scene per John Ramsey.

:cow:

 

[nursebeeme]

I was looking back through some old threads, they are pretty much a No Go.

Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the heck out of it! And I'm no mod!

There's so much I want to say about this crew....! :banghead:

you can discuss what is in the msm. same rules apply:seeya:

 

[secretagent]

Legally separated, yes. Physically separated, no.

I wouldn't spend a night in the same hotel room with my ex husband, no matter what the circumstances!

Also, you might not have followed the scanner thread, But we do know from the scanner that they lived together after the abduction. (or at least stayed together). There are lots of details there that I can't post here. Sorry! Rules.

I also remember someone saying the no contact order was no longer in effect, or being overlooked, given the circumstances.

Look at their body language in the interviews. Those 2 were still romantically involved- I'd bet my house on it.

Also, look at the wording of the account of the first time Lyric went missing - I forget the wording and whether it was from Vicki's pr Wylma's house, but Dan was there when Lyric didn't return. He says "Mysti came home" -- implying they were both living there. If they were so separated, why were they hanging out together a week before the abduction, at one of their mother's houses?

Do you think that perhaps the trauma of their daughter drew them together? I imagine they were clinging to one another and that is understandable.

 

[CHERIE.T]

MARGINS ARE BLOWN....
IS this case unsolvable?
Did someone mastermind 2 children's murders.....leaving no evidence? Nothing?
When was the last time new LE eyes were used on this case?
I still think the girls were coherced and murdered by someone they know.

 

[Grainne Dhu]

I don't get the hotel thing at all - even if both families did it... but maybe it was more b/c friends were coming over and such...

There is a difference with Drew/Heather - they are MARRIED - and were not going through a divorce with a restraining order.

If I had been assaulted by someone who I was threatened enough by to press domestic abuse charges, no way in heck would I be in a hotel room alone with him!

Additionally... it was also announced around that same time - by the LE - that the other family members WERE cooperating with police... so, that would be safe to assume the cops knew where to find them all... Only Misty and Dan have been reported to not cooperate for a period of time.

I think you are comparing apples to oranges.

BBM

Yes, there was a period of about 48 hours where Misty and Dan stopped cooperating with LE on advice from their lawyer(s). Within four days, they had started cooperating again.

Sounds to me like two people who don't have the best coping skills who got exhausted and made a decision that they almost immediately regretted and reconsidered.

As for whether you would return to someone who abused you, I take you at your word that you would not. However, it is very, very common in abusive relationships for the victim to make several attempts to leave... which means it is common for there to be several reconciliations as well. In other words, your expectations about relationships probably do not align with those of victims of domestic violence.

Abusers aren't evil green bogeymen who pop out from under the bed fully formed. For one thing, about 10% of the time they are women. In general, abusers are usually acting from insecurity, a lack of appropriate coping skills and an almost compulsive need to control their environment, which includes their partners.

Very few abusive relationships are abusive 100% of the time. The incidents of violence are typically relatively short but explosive. The rest of the time, abusers can be sweet, romantic, funny, caring... all or any of the things that originally attracted their victim to them.

Drew said in one of the Ron Steele interviews that DM is a good man to have around except when he is using. That seems perfectly plausible to me. One of the most frustrating thing about addictions is that they are among the most intractable of mental illnesses. The success rate in treatment is so abysmal that it is typically measured in increments of fewer than 12 months by most treatment centres.

Misty's behaviour and choices make perfect sense to me. I'd venture to say that they would make perfect sense to people who work professionally with victims of domestic violence or substance abusers.

 

[dotr]

Not sure quite where to put this item about child predator who has been abusing the same little girl online from the time she was 3 years old.
LE in Toronto are desperate to find this son of a gun and are reaching out to many jurisdictions to find him and this poor little girl.
Nebraska being close to Iowa, thought I would post here in case there is a connection..
bbm
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toron...o-catch-child-predator-with-twitter-1.1869912

"A man is wanted for sexually assaulting a young girl on video, which is circulating online.

Police in New Brunswick have new clues in the case, and turned to Toronto Police to get the word out far and wide.

Const. Scott Mills, the Toronto Police Service’s resident social media specialist, took the hunt to Twitter and Facebook. It's an experiment Mills hopes will go viral.

He's sharing new leads in an eight-year-old child *advertiser censored* case with more than 100 police agencies in six different countries at the Social Media and Internet Law Enforcement Conference taking place in Omaha, Nebraska."

 

[dotr]

http://www.canada.com/technology/RCMP+turn+social+media+find+suspect+child+abuse/8928739/story.html
includes pic.bbm.
" The video first appeared online in 2005. Since then, police agencies across North American have tried, without success, to identify the suspect and the victim.

The video came to the attention of New Brunswick RCMP recently in an unrelated investigation, prompting Mounties to ask the public to share the suspect’s image on social media.

New Brunswick RCMP spokeswoman Cpl. Chantal Farrah said the suspect is a brown-haired Caucasian with a distinctive dark circular mark on his right arm and a ring on his left hand.

The girl in the video appears to be about three years old and would be between 10 and 12 years old today.

Police do not know if the man or the girl are from New Brunswick. The video is believed to have been produced somewhere in North America, police said."




http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/ecap

"UNKNOWN SUSPECT

John Doe 8

Law enforcement officials are seeking information which will lead to the identification of this unknown suspect. Images of this person abusing a young girl were found in a video on the Internet in May of 2005. His current whereabouts are unknown.

The individual is described as a White male, approximately 180 to 200 pounds, with brown hair. He has a dark circular mark on his right forearm."

 

[Grainne Dhu]

"UNKNOWN SUSPECT

John Doe 8

Law enforcement officials are seeking information which will lead to the identification of this unknown suspect. Images of this person abusing a young girl were found in a video on the Internet in May of 2005. His current whereabouts are unknown.

The individual is described as a White male, approximately 180 to 200 pounds, with brown hair. He has a dark circular mark on his right forearm."

SBM

That mark on his forearm looks like a tattoo or a Sharpie covering a tattoo. If it is a tattoo, I'd expect to see an empty circle in the corresponding place on the left forearm.

But considering how black the mark is, I lean more to thinking that it was a tattoo covered up by a Sharpie.

 

[iamnotagolem]

:bump: