Found Deceased IA - Elizabeth Collins, 8, & Lyric Cook, 10, Evansdale, 13 July 2012 - #37

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Grainne Dhu said:
Is there any actual evidence that Drew and Heather Collins know that this guy is on the register? I know that I don't check the register every time I meet someone new. In fact, the only time I've checked the register is when it is connected to a case I'm learning about.

I imagine Drew and Heather have met so many people during the search and the fundraising attempts for the memorial park that it would be almost impossible to check.

Another possibility is that Heather Collins has made it clear that her faith is central to her life. She may believe that this guy has repented, been punished and now deserves a life... while she treats him cordially, I doubt he's on her list of babysitters.
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Could be - I have no idea how close they are. I just know from reading the article and doing a little sleuthing that he was doing a bunch of funding for after the girls went missing.

I don't have a clue whether he's even still on the registry - I think the person's point was more or less that it's hypocritical of them (mainly Drew) to have such a hard stance against sexual predators, but they appear to be ok with this man heading up a parade for the girls while funding "the cause".

I also would say (per the blog's proof) that Heather has been more than "cordial" to him. She attended his birthday party, went to the theater, and he released doves at Elizabeth's Celebration of Life ceremony. He is also a contributor to the Angel's Park.

I mean, this guy was sleeping with a 13 year old...on at least 9 occasions. He had nude pics of himself with this child. He was also found with marijuana, LSD, and cocaine.

This, coming from the person who has zero contact with her own sister and family because of drug use.

I have to agree that I find it quite hypocritical...but that's just my opinion.

Doesn't mean I think he had anything to do with the murders...but to have someone like him be your front runner of a parade of two murdered little girls has me scratching my head.

Then again...Heather appears to be the pillar of forgiveness and faith. How many mothers of abducted children do you see out telling the masses that they forgive the offender less than 2 weeks after their child was taken? She clearly is a much stronger woman than myself. I can tell you with 100% certainty that no matter my faith, there is no way in hell I'd be forgiving ANYONE any time soon if they took my beloved daughter. It wouldn't matter WHO it was, what the circumstances were, nada...forgiveness wouldn't come until after a VERY long period of healing.

Heather and I couldn't be anymore different - doesn't make either of us right or wrong, but I feel pretty confident in saying that the actions that have been displayed could be easily called hypocritical...which is what the blog's writer is stating, that's all...
 
In recent news, a young girl dropped into a neighbourhood home and ended up shot dead, possibly as the result of " playing" with an illegal gun found in that home..
Just saying that i wonder still, if the girls played with, or encountered something that would get someone else in very big trouble, ie. drug overdose, weapon ect. and the " evidence" ( these lovely children) had to be destroyed?
It would take a really messed up loser to just kill two little girls, even ones that they may have been s. assulted.
When you see the guys who are arrested for such crimes as child murder, they usually, imo. look and act the part of dirty, creepy sleazeballs, so i wonder, if that type of group have all been investigated, who is left?
Someone who would not normally be associated with that kind of sleaziness, or irresponsibility, and who, at all costs must suppress any knowledge of it, imo.
A mistake, an accident, or prank, gone very wrong?
Some idiot is either incredibly giddy right now because they got away with it, or, an otherwise " respectable " person is haunted day and night, gut churning fear and guilt of being caught, and by the memory of Elizabeth and Lyric.
 
I wouldn't necessarily call Heather's actions hypocritical, but it makes me wonder whether she's not a very perceptive judge of character. That's another vulnerability that a predator would be quick to seize on, if there were a predator circling her family.
 
I've posted something similar before on a previous thread....but I'm curious as to opinions on the "supposed" hunters that found the girls being involved in one way or another. I've noticed some red flags and possible stressors when researching one of them specifically.
 
Wisdom said:
I've posted something similar before on a previous thread....but I'm curious as to opinions on the "supposed" hunters that found the girls being involved in one way or another. I've noticed some red flags and possible stressors when researching one of them specifically.
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Not unlike this unsolved case from Carlsbad N..M. involving two young girls abducted on a summer day, they were found in wooded area by a couple of rabbit hunters, the girls had been beaten, s.assaulted and shot.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ine-(13)-amp-Patty-Pritz-(14)-Carlsbad-1961-1
 
I was reading this article also - what I found of interest, (bbm)

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WATERLOO | Authorities are investigating an assault on a woman that took place near the campground in George Wyth State Park, Waterloo safety …

I did not know there was a campground there. Wonder if there is a log of vehicles camping there? Recently we were discussing that the POI may have been visiting and/or vacationing in the area.

I am sorry, I think about this case all the time; it haunts me. How can someone commit such a brutal/tragic crime and get away with it?
 
B4igo2it said:
I was reading this article also - what I found of interest, (bbm)

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WATERLOO | Authorities are investigating an assault on a woman that took place near the campground in George Wyth State Park, Waterloo safety …

I did not know there was a campground there. Wonder if there is a log of vehicles camping there? Recently we were discussing that the POI may have been visiting and/or vacationing in the area.

I am sorry, I think about this case all the time; it haunts me. How can someone commit such a brutal/tragic crime and get away with it?
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George Wyth has had a campground for years. I've camped there before, and before kids and when my son was young (he's 20) we used to drive through the park for entertainment - see the deer, check out the RV's, etc. However, we stopped driving through the actual campground years ago when they stopped letting just anyone through. In other words, you had to either be camping there or visiting someone in particular, you couldn't just cruise through.

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Ok, I'm lost and I can't find the original post - what blog?? And the RSO - is that a reference to BA??

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IIRC, his offenses occurred before the registry came about. I have a classmate/facebook friend who is good friends with him. It sort of creeps me out when she posts pictures of him. But I haven't heard of anything bad about him in years.

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Ommmm said:
"They believe the killer or killers were familiar with the Meyers Lake and Seven Bridges Wildlife Area and with the children. Investigators also suspect whoever did this might be following news accounts of the case."

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/st...llins-lyic-cook-morrissey-evansdale/30807291/
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Thanks for posting this new article!
This bit caught my fancy..
rbbm.
"EVANSDALE, Ia. – The theories have been plenty. Most lead to nothing.

Yet, investigators keep listening because they hope that hidden in the often-irrelevant information is a nugget that, crazy as it may seem at first blush, will help them catch whoever killed Lyric Cook-Morrissey and Elizabeth Collins.

"I don't want people to go, 'Oh, they'll think I'm crazy,' and not call in,' " Evansdale Police Chief Jeff Jensen said."
 
carbuff said:
I wouldn't necessarily call Heather's actions hypocritical, but it makes me wonder whether she's not a very perceptive judge of character. That's another vulnerability that a predator would be quick to seize on, if there were a predator circling her family.
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That is very perceptive of you.

I wonder if there were any names that one family member brought up that another family member would have said "no way!" to. I suppose that must be fairly common to any investigation, though.
 
Hello websleuth friends. Wow, I really think this guy that sexually assaulted this woman at George Wyth park just might be linked to our girls.
 
cindersoot said:
Hello websleuth friends. Wow, I really think this guy that sexually assaulted this woman at George Wyth park just might be linked to our girls.
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http://www.kwwl.com/story/29652895/...olice-lock-down-search-george-wyth-state-park
rbbm.
"WATERLOO (KWWL) -

The Black Hawk County Sheriff's Office says there will be a "significant increased presence of law enforcement officers" on bike and recreational trails throughout the county after Tuesday's assault.

Campers found a woman on a bike trail at George Wyth State Park.

Police say the victim had been jogging on the trail when she was attacked from behind."

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"Waterloo Safety Services Director, Chief Dan Trelka, says the suspect is a fair-skinned man in his 20's, with sandy blonde hair and a thin build. Height of the suspect is believed to be between 5'5'' and 6 feet tall. Police say they do not have a clothing description of the suspect.

Waterloo Police say the suspect may appear to have have scratches on his arms, or appear to have poison ivy on his arms.

Police also believe it's possible the woman was assaulted in a location other than where she was eventually found by the campers".
 
Not sure if this will help identify the perp. responsible for taking the girls, but it might spark something..

http://www.medicaldaily.com/spottin...dencies-are-often-left-handed-physical-338034
rbbm.

"Men from the study who researchers identified as pedophiles were more likely to have minor facial and head flaws compared to men who were not considered pedophiles. Men with facial and head deviations scored highest on indicators of pedophilia. These facial and head anomalies included non-detached earlobes, malformed ears, and a high or steepled palate.

Facial malformations tend to develop due to the same primary embryonic tissue layer that forms the central nervous system during the first and second trimesters of pregnancy. These facial flaws, which are more prevalent among men, are usually caused by prenatal exposure to viruses, alcohol or drugs, obstetric complications, or nutritional deficiencies."
 
What peaks my interest is the time of day, the month and location, and bike trail for sure. Man, even the weather, cloudy rainy.
 
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