IA IA - Elizabeth Collins & Lyric Cook - Found Deceased - Evansdale - 13 Jul 2012 #39
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I have watched the documentary, and I understand why some people think that Klunder was responsible. Police place him in Stratford, Iowa on the day they disappeared. That is 1.5 hours from Evansdale.
The girls that he abducted shortly before he committed suicide were lured with an offer of a job mowing lawns. They were 14-15 years old.
How would he lure an 8 and 10 year old who were riding bikes?
I'm inclined to believe the police statement in 2014 that Klunder was investigated and confirmed to be in Stratford. The abduction, the 20 mile drive from Evansdale to 7 Bridges Park, walking with the girls to the location (away from a road) where they were murdered, and later returning to Stratford - police said he did not have time to do all that and be confirmed in Stratford. He needed 3.5 hours on the afternoon of July 13 where no one saw him. Police say that's not possible.
Police also said that the Delphi murders were someone local, and they said the same of the Evansdale murders.
The girls that he abducted shortly before he committed suicide were lured with an offer of a job mowing lawns. They were 14-15 years old.
How would he lure an 8 and 10 year old who were riding bikes?
I'm inclined to believe the police statement in 2014 that Klunder was investigated and confirmed to be in Stratford. The abduction, the 20 mile drive from Evansdale to 7 Bridges Park, walking with the girls to the location (away from a road) where they were murdered, and later returning to Stratford - police said he did not have time to do all that and be confirmed in Stratford. He needed 3.5 hours on the afternoon of July 13 where no one saw him. Police say that's not possible.
Police also said that the Delphi murders were someone local, and they said the same of the Evansdale murders.
Thinking more about Klunder as a suspect, I think it would make a life-changing difference for Elizabeth's father (per documentary) if he could put to rest the murders. If it was Klunder, her father will know that it was quick, that she wasn't alone (Lyric was with her), and that she did not suffer long. I think he could find some peace with that.
The documentary implies that cell phone data was used to identify Klunder's location on July 13, 2012. If so, I'm guessing that the cell phone was used in the Stratford area, and it wasn't just in one location during the afternoon. I don't think Klunder would have been ruled out if his phone was inactive and stationary during the time of the murders.
The documentary implies that cell phone data was used to identify Klunder's location on July 13, 2012. If so, I'm guessing that the cell phone was used in the Stratford area, and it wasn't just in one location during the afternoon. I don't think Klunder would have been ruled out if his phone was inactive and stationary during the time of the murders.
I was just reading through old discussions from 2012, looking for info about Seven Bridges Park being a youth camp in the 1990s (kayaking and other outdoor sports) and came across this very detailed map about the murders here:
The orange line is were a suspect could have parked. It was a party area until the highway was built. It is the treed area I mentioned earlier, where there is a city utility shed and intentional access to the drainage pipe and adjacent gate. Not everyone would know about that access to the lake and pathway.
Understanding how he managed to abduct Lyric and Elizabeth helps to understand who he is. When did he first see the girls? Why was the gate unlocked? I read today that he used "quiet coercion". I'm not familiar with the term, but Klunder used quiet coercion by offering two teens a job, then the use of a phone. Then they were handcuffed.
What does 'quiet coercion' look like with an 8 and 10 year old girl?
The girls parked and leaned their bikes against the fence, went through the (normally locked) gate, and walked along the shore line to his vehicle.
"What happened next is not known, but officials have said they believe the culprit used “quiet coercion” to abduct Lyric and Elizabeth."
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Understanding how he managed to abduct Lyric and Elizabeth helps to understand who he is. When did he first see the girls? Why was the gate unlocked? I read today that he used "quiet coercion". I'm not familiar with the term, but Klunder used quiet coercion by offering two teens a job, then the use of a phone. Then they were handcuffed.
What does 'quiet coercion' look like with an 8 and 10 year old girl?
The girls parked and leaned their bikes against the fence, went through the (normally locked) gate, and walked along the shore line to his vehicle.
"What happened next is not known, but officials have said they believe the culprit used “quiet coercion” to abduct Lyric and Elizabeth."
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Drew said that he would never allow his daughter to go for a long bike ride without an adult. "She was too young." We also know that 8 year old Elizabeth, not 10 year old Lyric, knew the route from her house to Meyer's Lake - because she had ridden there with other children.
Although their grandmother said that they were only allowed to cycle in the alley, did they cycle around Meyer's Lake more often? If so, that could be where they were first seen by their abductor.
The unlocked gate suggests that they were expected to cycle there at that time on that day. Quiet coercion could be something as easy as blocking the pathway, saying something about a parent, asking them to park their bikes, escorting them through the gate, telling Elizabeth to leave her purse with the bikes, and they would cooperate. It was mentioned in the documentary that the reason their shoes were with their bodies is because they walked there.
Although their grandmother said that they were only allowed to cycle in the alley, did they cycle around Meyer's Lake more often? If so, that could be where they were first seen by their abductor.
The unlocked gate suggests that they were expected to cycle there at that time on that day. Quiet coercion could be something as easy as blocking the pathway, saying something about a parent, asking them to park their bikes, escorting them through the gate, telling Elizabeth to leave her purse with the bikes, and they would cooperate. It was mentioned in the documentary that the reason their shoes were with their bodies is because they walked there.
At the time, we speculated that the abductor might have had Friday afternoon off work. The hog farm industry was discussed. The suspect is described has possibly having changed his appearance after the girls disappeared, and possibly again when their bodies were found.
If the girls routinely sneaked away from their grandmother (they were familiar to the lawn mower man), did they routinely cycle around the lake? Did the suspect intercept the girls at the gate because he expected them - making 'quiet coercion' (acting as an authority) easier?
Did he wear anything that looked like a uniform?
If the girls routinely sneaked away from their grandmother (they were familiar to the lawn mower man), did they routinely cycle around the lake? Did the suspect intercept the girls at the gate because he expected them - making 'quiet coercion' (acting as an authority) easier?
Did he wear anything that looked like a uniform?
If it was Klunder, he kidnapped two 3 year olds. I think they lived. Elizabeth and Lyric are unsolved Iowa kidnap-murders, then he kidnapped two young teenage girls shortly after serving 20 years of a 40 year sentence for kidnapping females.
Did he have an intense anger against females, starting with 3 year olds? Then 10 year olds, then 15 year olds, or was he in Stratford on July 13, 2012.
I'm curious what is known about Klunder's cell phone on July 13.
Did he have an intense anger against females, starting with 3 year olds? Then 10 year olds, then 15 year olds, or was he in Stratford on July 13, 2012.
I'm curious what is known about Klunder's cell phone on July 13.
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He also attacked a woman driving her car, after lying about her tail light being out to get her to pull over. I don't think age really mattered to him, just vulnerability and whether he could control them.
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