GUILTY IA - Kraigen Grooms for child sexual abuse, Ottumwa, 2013

[AngelaH]

That boy has a very distinctive look. If someone knew him they would recognize/remember him. So if ICE is involved does that mean he is here in the US? I'm not sure I understand how they are involved.

 

[EBrown]

http://www.ice.gov/cyber-crimes/

I'm not sure what the mandate of ICE/HLS is in terms of investigating domestic crime, but they have a child exploitation investigations unit and a cyber crimes unit.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

He looks slavic to me: Chech, Polish, Hungarian, Bulgarian.

moo

 

[momrids6]

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Age is tough.. Looks about 16 to me

The dysmorphic facial features and ears, the thin hair, & the teeth signal genetic issue to me- such as ectodermic dysplasia or along that line. Many also have cognitive impairment.

ETA:The ectodermal dysplasias are a group of hereditary conditions characterized by abnormal hair, teeth, fingernails and toenails, and sweat glands.

http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/ectodermal-dysplasia

 

[Brightbird]

That boy has a very distinctive look. If someone knew him they would recognize/remember him. So if ICE is involved does that mean he is here in the US? I'm not sure I understand how they are involved.

I don't think it necessarily means he is even a non US citizen. I think the ICE HSI gets involved in crimes that cross international borders, e.g., child *advertiser censored* that is produced in the US and sold overseas. Or there may be other victims/perps involved that are not US citizens. I took the below excerpt from the ICE website (BBM):

The ICE Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) directorate is a critical asset in the ICE mission, responsible for investigating a wide range of domestic and international activities arising from the illegal movement of people and goods into, within and out of the United States.

HSI investigates immigration crime, human rights violations and human smuggling, smuggling of narcotics, weapons and other types of contraband, financial crimes, cybercrime and export enforcement issues.

http://www.ice.gov/about/offices/homeland-security-investigations/

 

[Hejlena]

Jmo- his hair looks like he has been pulling it out.

 

[Brightbird]

I don't know... just thinking: Alanna's case/TH may have led them to someone else -- I'm thinking maybe someone at least slightly older than TH. You know, there was mention of an accomplice and they were wanting info on those cars ... then they quieted right down about all that. And of course, now they have TH's phone/computer, etc., could have led somewhere.

It is sooo tempting to try and link this to Alanna's case. That's what brought me here. But I feel it's a coincidence. Based purely on first impressions, this feels like it's part of a 'network' of some sort, seems more professional. Tyler Holder was imo a loose cannon either acting on his own or had the help of another loner type accomplice. That said, I wouldn't exactly drop to the floor in shock if they were linked.

We don't know that this is related to child *advertiser censored* do we? (not directed at you Backwoods) It could just as easily be drug smuggling? But I agree, based on his physical appearance this does have the feel of something more sinister. And what looks like a child's curly hair is another worrying sign.

I'm only speculating with my 'gut feeling' so MOO and all that.

 

[human]

ICE was involved with Kyron Horman and Somer Thompson. With Somer, there were no crossing of state lines. Perp was American. I think ICE gets involved with crimes against children.

It may have zero to do with anything outside of the US

 

[Hejlena]

Just my gut feeling with this kid, but I would circulate these photos to every mental health practitioner, school social worker, child protection worker, drop-in shelter, in the area. This kid gives me the juvie offender vibe.

And it pains me to say, I do not doubt for a minute that this is a little girls curly hair and pony-tail holder in the picture with him.

 

[modesty blaise]

so weird it looks like It could be a female trying hard to disguise herself as male that would explain the wax or threaded eyebrows.

 

[Brightbird]

ICE was involved with Kyron Horman and Somer Thompson. With Somer, there were no crossing of state lines. Perp was American. I think ICE gets involved with crimes against children.

It may have zero to do with anything outside of the US

Thanks. That's what I was thinking too, just couldn't find a way to say it as clearly you did.

It actually sounds they get involved in a wide range of domestic crimes, including all types of domestic trafficking, financial crimes, gang investigations and lots more. On the Wikipedia page, it says that the HSI has the broadest federal law enforcement jurisdiction of any agency.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._Immigration_and_Customs_Enforcement

 

[Flutterflies]

Do y'all think the kid trying to be identified is a local kid?

Is there a consensus yet on what type of hoodie he is wearing? Brand? What it says on front?

Do you think his eyebrow color could be light naturally but darker in these pictures due to makeup - eyebrow pencil?

Do you consider his lips to be full?

 

[human]

so weird it looks like It could be a female trying hard to disguise herself as male that would explain the wax or threaded eyebrows.

Yes, when you consider there does not appear to be any facial hair.

 

[Flutterflies]

so weird it looks like It could be a female trying hard to disguise herself as male that would explain the wax or threaded eyebrows.

Do you think the opposite could be true - a male who is wearing makeup?

Do boys in the Texas area wear makeup?

 

[Brightbird]

Do y'all think the kid trying to be identified is a local kid?

Is there a consensus yet on what type of hoodie he is wearing? Brand? What it says on front?

Do you think his eyebrow color could be light naturally but darker in these pictures due to makeup - eyebrow pencil?

Do you consider his lips to be full?

Local? No idea.

I think it's an adidas hoodie but not 100%.

I think the hair on his head may have been lightened, either chemically or sun-bleached. The eyebrows are their natural colour imo.

I don't know if I consider his lips to be full. Looks like he's wearing lip gloss or something to enhance them. Could just be how they look against his natural skin tone too. He kinda reminds me of Justin Beiber. Lol.

 

[Midwestmama78]

Do y'all think the kid trying to be identified is a local kid?

Is there a consensus yet on what type of hoodie he is wearing? Brand? What it says on front?

Do you think his eyebrow color could be light naturally but darker in these pictures due to makeup - eyebrow pencil?

Do you consider his lips to be full?

The hoodie has been identified as an Adidas GFX TECH FLEECE style. If you google it you'll see other examples of the exact logo.

 

[Midwestmama78]

Local? No idea.

I think it's an adidas hoodie but not 100%.

I think the hair on his head may have been lightened, either chemically or sun-bleached. The eyebrows are their natural colour imo.

I don't know if I consider his lips to be full. Looks like he's wearing lip gloss or something to enhance them. Could just be how they look against his natural skin tone too. He kinda reminds me of Justin Beiber. Lol.

His facial features look to me like he's just an immature boy. Give him a few years and he'll probably look more adult. That said, there is something kind of sinister about his face that I can't really put my finger on.

 

[Hejlena]

His facial features look to me like he's just an immature boy. Give him a few years and he'll probably look more adult. That said, there is something kind of sinister about his face that I can't really put my finger on.

Could be that godforsaken grin.

 

[Midwestmama78]

In the first picture, his brows are groomed, darker then his hair, and his lips are plump. Many females would love to have those lips. Makes me wonder if he was 'selected' for this look.

His lips are full. My two oldest sons have pretty, full mouths, too. They were beautiful children. Now they're 23 & 26 and testosterone has coarsened their features so they're handsome, not pretty. Good thing, too.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Yes, when you consider there does not appear to be any facial hair.

IMO it's a male.