Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #16

[shanadk]

Forgive me if this is old info...There is a really sweet lecture given by Mollie, over on Youtube. Speaking to her cross country team, I believe. She talks about the power of prayer, and how each of us have different gifts to offer the world. peace~~~

 

[Betty P]

My two cents is that no one went into that house to hurt her,' he added.
Reward for missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts hits $260,000 | Daily Mail Online

I don't understand what he is saying in the above comment

Anyone have an opinion?

Is he saying that she was not taken from the house?
Is he saying that no one entered to hurt her but someone was there?

JMO, he's using the LE interrogation tactic where they tell a suspect "hey, this was probably an accident, right? You didn't mean to kill her but things got out of hand", etc. Her father is saying "hey, you probably went to the house just to talk to her. You didn't intend to hurt her." It works well with some suspects who believe they never intended to harm their victim.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Ha ha!
On the official end of things, 'aggravated stalking' is more serious than 'stalking' in general. and is a felony in some states.
Not sure about IA law, but NM state statute defines it this way (link below to source):
[Excerpt]:
Unlike harassment and stalking, aggravated stalking is a felony level offense only. The district courts, therefore, have exclusive jurisdiction to preside over these cases. Basically, aggravated stalking is stalking which is conducted in specific ways. As provided in §30-3A-3.1, aggravated stalking consists of stalking perpetrated as follows:

• The defendant knowingly violates a permanent or temporary order of protection (except that mutual violations may constitute a defense);
• The defendant acts in violation of a court order setting conditions of release and bond;
• The defendant is in possession of a deadly weapon; or
• The victim of the stalking is less than 16 years old.

Aggravated Stalking Statute — Judicial Education Center

With potential relevance to WC because I think I saw a post a few threads ago that said his stalking charges were related to people that maybe had a restraining order?

 

[gitana1]

That's what Sherri Papini says.
Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Ha ha!!!

 

[mrtnira]

WC has stated he doesn't know Mollie or her family, that he never even goes into Brooklyn. That right there strikes me as odd.....that he never goes into Brooklyn. I don't know why, but it got my hinky meter antenna up.

He may be using the never word unthinkingly. People have patterns, and he may be someone who uses absolutes without really thinking that they are... absolute. By way of example, for many years I did that also, but only after being challenged on it did I consciously make it a point to be more careful in my speech. It was an unmindful use of words.

 

[Daae]

I'm just starting to follow this missing person case so please forgive me if I am missing information. I have a few questions.
Why and where did Mollie and her brother come from on the July 18th drop off at the bf's house?
Where exactly does Mollie work? How does she normally get to work? The area appears very rural and they said her car was at her mothers'. If someone gave Mollie a ride to work, how come we haven't heard anything from her ride?

Mollie's father feels that someone has her that they may have misunderstood the nature of the relationship. Did her phone records show that she was talking to someone? Do they think she showed kindness to the pig farmer and that is why they are questioning him?

Sorry if that is too many questions or info already covered here.

So, she was working, house sitting, and going to summer school. She was pretty busy. She sounds fairly motivated. Summer college courses are usually very condensed and intense. I wonder when her finals were supposed to be and how heavy her load was. I'm just trying to get an idea of what her life was like before she went missing. Was she stressed out or loving life? Did she have time on her hands to mingle on the internet?

 

[PommyMommy]

My two cents is that no one went into that house to hurt her,' he added.
Reward for missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts hits $260,000 | Daily Mail Online

I don't understand what he is saying in the above comment

Anyone have an opinion?

Is he saying that she was not taken from the house?
Is he saying that no one entered to hurt her but someone was there?

Although I have been leaning more toward she disappeared while jogging, it does sound like he believes someone was in the house because he gives us the reason why they were not there. Confusing, because he could actually mean nobody went into the house and took her…

 

[buggiegirl]

I disagree. They are an effective psychological investigative tool in interviewing people and very helpful in ruling people out, even though they aren't scientifically sound. (Neither is profiling and neither is LE gut instinct, BTW).

If a loved one of mine went missing I would do everything in my power to help find them including taking a polygraph.

Good comes of them often. The results can help LE focus more on someone or less. From the perspective of LE and the innocent loved ones of missing or murdered people, lots of good can come of them.

And they aren't admissible so they can't be used to find someone guilty of a crime.

I know people think that willingness to take a polygraph can say something, but having read a lot about them I would never take one, innocent or not. So that would make me look guilty, when I'm not. I presume anyone with a lawyer is going to be told not to take one so I don't really think you can read anything into someone refusing anymore.

 

[1987]

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[kkdj]

JMO, he's using the LE interrogation tactic where they tell a suspect "hey, this was probably an accident, right? You didn't mean to kill her but things got out of hand", etc. Her father is saying "hey, you probably went to the house just to talk to her. You didn't intend to hurt her." It works well with some suspects who believe they never intended to harm their victim.

If someone had been in the house LE would know. I do not think anyone was in the house and I'm with her mother.....Mollie didn't make it back from her jog. Now, it could be that someone who had a different idea of their relationship came across her jogging and she accepted a ride.
The dogs being in the basement imo tells us she wasn't home when she went missing.

 

[Madison418]

Please report back, would love to hear his take on all of this.

Of course he said he couldn't say because he's not involved in the investigation but in every case like this, LE is looking for connections. I have no doubts they are looking for any similarities between this case and other disappearances/murders in the area. IMO it seems too perfect to be the work of an amateur

 

[Suglo]

It looks better if you have a lawyer that says “no, I won’t let him take a polygraph”, instead of WC saying he won’t.

I'm thinking there is a tactic as to why.
I'm also wondering why he hasn't lawyered up at this point?
I've also wondered why he didn't throw those holey shorts away!

It costs $$$ to retain a criminal defense attorney who will just turn around and confirm that he won’t take the polygraph. He cooperated with LE up to that point and could think he doesn’t need to spend money he doesn’t have on a retainer.

 

[onlyjustice]

Lawyer sites will tell you never to take a polygraph even if you’re innocent. Multiple reasons for that. He allowed everything else except that, which seems pretty cooperative. I wouldn’t write him off, per my previous posts, but it’s never wise to take a polygraph from what I have researched.

Nevertheless...If I was 'innocent'...I would take a polygraph..The cases that I've seen that did take them. and passed ..was ruled out ..then the police could focus on other areas...usually refusing to take one is an indication of deception...PLUS...there is a reason the police are lead back to this area...could be something to do with the fitbit ...but that is my own theory

 

[kath4557]

IF she was taken in the morning - she was wearing her jogging clothes???

Because of no time line being released, we don't know what she was wearing exactly. Or do we? Did LE establish that she indeed was wearing her jogging clothes?

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

IMO, they are saying the same thing. The mother stated whatever happened to MT did not occur in the house, as she did not/was unable to return to the house, and the father stated "no one went into that house to hurt her", which could be interpreted to mean whatever happened to MT did not occur within the house.

I read something very different!

Mollie's father told Fox News that he believes that his daughter may be with someone she's familiar with.

'It's totally speculation on my part, but I think Mollie is with someone that she knows, that is in over their head,' Rob Tibbetts said.

'My two cents is that no one went into that house to hurt her,' he added. 'That there was some kind of misunderstanding about the nature of their relationship and at this point they don't know how to get out from under this.'

My take is a young man thought he had a chance of a relationship with Mollie and when told no, took her from the house and now doesn't know what to do. At least that is what I think RT is saying.

I doubt this scenario occurred but if it did I'd be raising my eyebrows.

 

[jobid]

My two cents is that no one went into that house to hurt her,' he added.
Reward for missing Iowa student Mollie Tibbetts hits $260,000 | Daily Mail Online

I don't understand what he is saying in the above comment

Anyone have an opinion?

Is he saying that she was not taken from the house?
Is he saying that no one entered to hurt her but someone was there?

I think he's trying to appeal to someone who may have her - along the lines of 'you didn't mean to do anything wrong...' as opposed to accusing that someone & potentially angering him... on the hopes that she is still alive... appealing to him to let her go...

 

[tlneedham]

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I am not sure if it is worse to be interviewed in front of a camera to be analyzed or take a polygraph. Either way, they are trying to clear him when many methods it seems.

In front of a camera, you can just walk away if you don’t like the questions. But as far as I know, there’s no limit to what LE can ask during a polygraph. He could be worried about them venturing into other potential crimes or even his past crimes, and using the results against him at a parole hearing or something.

And it may not be admissible in a trial but if he fails some aspect of the polygraph and word gets out, but he knows the public will convict him of the crime and make his life a nightmare, whether he’s actually guilty or not.

IMO the fact that he has let them do the searches and search his phone says a lot more than someone not in Mollie’s circle refusing to take a polygraph—esp when the person has had run-ins with the law before.

 

[Charliegizmo49]

?????? I’ll look at Kenai borough Alaska. Everyone I know has a gun. Some have several hundred.

Ok. The local newspaper did a poll in Kenai Alaska. in 2013 86% if households had firearms. Just under 80% belonged to NRA. I Remember the poll.

Most polls show Kentucky at the ingest percentage with 64%. But an overwhelming number of Alaskans carry guns. It’s very high up there. I own 5.

 

[Earnjul11]

I know people think that willingness to take a polygraph can say something, but having read a lot about them I would never take one, innocent or not. So that would make me look guilty, when I'm not. I presume anyone with a lawyer is going to be told not to take one so I don't really think you can read anything into someone refusing anymore.

Agreed, I think it immediately triggers in the mind that someone is guilty when they refuse to take a polygraph test, but having worked in the legal field I also would not take one / would think an attorney would encourage his client to not take the test because they can have fallacies, and to me that's really scary.

 

[Kapua]

IMO I don’t think he had anything to do with it. I think because of his previous charges, history and refusing to take a polygraph it is making it easier to look guilty.

I don't think he had anything to do with it, either. I will change my mind about that if and when it can be proven that he was in town the night Mollie was abducted. In the meantime, what I want to know is, who WAS in town that night?