Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #21

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Could someone bring me up to speed on the "missing child" event that happened to MT at college..? I don't believe in coincidence... And, I'm refusing to go through her social media, it just doesn't seem right for me to do that.
So... If someone could, I would appreciate reading what we know about that incident. Thank you.
Her “pinned tweet” on her twitter page is a screen shot of texts between her and bf. It states that a police officer approached her at the library, asking if she had recently gotten off the bus and if the pink coat on her chair was hers. He stated to her that a 10 year old girl was missing. Basically, she was flabbergasted that someone would think she was a missing 10 year old girl.
I, and a few others, have been unable to find any coverage or report of a missing 10 year old girl on that date. Thinking is, it may have been a ruse to initiate conversation with Mollie. Iowa City, is less than an hour away from Brooklyn. MOO
 
Mollie could have showered and changed at her mom's house, if she had planned to go there for dinner, pick up the car, and then drive back to the boyfriend's house. She had a room and clothes at her mom's house. Just mentioning that because it changes the possible jogging routes.
Totally reasonable to consider this. I have daughters who live out of the house and still feel comfortable bringing a change of clothes and showering at my home. I believe Mollie would be 100% welcome and plan on showering at her moms house, especially with all of her clothing there! Makes sense.
jmo
 
Could someone bring me up to speed on the "missing child" event that happened to MT at college..? I don't believe in coincidence... And, I'm refusing to go through her social media, it just doesn't seem right for me to do that.
So... If someone could, I would appreciate reading what we know about that incident. Thank you.
It was a screenshot on her IG account of a conversation between Mollie and someone else regarding being approached in the library by a cop who asked her if she owned the pink coat on the chair and she said yes. He then said there was a report that someone thought a six to ten year old child wearing a pink coat was traveling alone on the bus. Afterwards she commented on her own post that for the record she isn't six to ten years old.
 
Totally reasonable to consider this. I have daughters who live out of the house and still feel comfortable bringing a change of clothes and showering at my home. I believe Mollie would be 100% welcome and plan on showering at her moms house, especially with all of her clothing there! Makes sense.
jmo

I thought she never went to her Mother's house on the night of the 18th???
 
All speculation but I’m still thinking Mollie got into a car BUT WITH SOMEONE SHE DID NOT KNOW.
I think they are spinning their wheels looking at people she knew/trusted. I believe that analyzing her social media is a complete waste of time bc this is no friend & no previous acquaintance.
The “everyone knew her” thing isn’t flying with this crime.
I think this was strictly a CRIME OF OPPORTUNITY- not a stalker or perp who chose Mollie specifically.
The perp was looking for the first vulnerable victim and sadly Mollie was in the WRONG PLACE at the wrong time.
They pulled up in the early morning in the rain when it started pouring to offer a ride & she mistakenly impulsively got in.
THIS HAPPENS.
She was on the way to her mother’s house to pick up her car, realized she forgot to text brother to drop the car the night before & was awoken by early morning rain so she started walking & it started raining HARD. She likely may not have gotten far at all from her boyfriend’s house..... car/truck pulls up and she gets in.
It’s the EXACT SAME MO of a serial rapist turned murderer now on death row in TX. He pulled up in the pouring rain to a bus stop and a lady who was late for work got in when he offered a ride & she was taken to a vacant building and raped. He did this while out on parole between rape convictions.
I think Mollie’s perp is similar type, con artist UNKNOWN TO HER.
THE FBI NEEDS TO LOOK AT EVERYONE LIVING WITHIN @30 MINUTE RADIUS - maybe larger radius- WHO IS A REPEAT RAPIST OUT ON PAROLE.
Quite possibly a recent parolee- 6 months out max?
Regular car/ truck/van - NOT A TRUCKER.
Are any local renters paroled rapists? Are any electric company employees from next door to the bf’s home paroled rapists?
Anyone with a night shift job who got OFF of work right before dawn in this town or general vicinity? Maybe even a security guard?
Maybe ask all townspeople if they had a visiting friend/ cousin during time of Mollie’s disappearance who is on parole for a sex crime.
Also whoever mentioned state fair workers on this thread- that’s clever- check there for parolees.
Not thinking this had anything to do with the big bike race but maybe another event someone was in the area for?
Still maintaining this happened early morning after Mollie woke up and left bf’s house on foot.
SHE DOESN’T KNOW THE PERP. He drove up and she got into his vehicle when it was pouring rain.
Sadly nobody saw her get into the vehicle bc the visibility in pouring rain isn’t great & even if someone else drove by they had their eyes on the road.
This guy is familiar enough with Brooklyn, Iowa to be driving there in the early morning/ dawn.
Not necessarily a Brooklyn native but a rapist (or worse) who picks up his victims in the rain....
Sorry for the pessimism.
It’s just my feeling about this case and all complete speculation -all IMHO.
Praying I’m wrong but just not feeling she was lucky enough to be ferried away by an adoring stalker who is keeping her tucked away.
She is a sweet,good, special girl but to THIS PERP she is just a girl / the first girl he approached that day who took his bait- nothing special here. No previous personal connection to Mollie.
I’m not getting an Elizabeth Smart “specially picked” vibe from this case. Somehow her dad is & some profiler is but I think that’s not what’s going on here.
This is quite simply an unknown victim to an unknown perp. It’s so very sad & so very frustrating.
Her loved ones are smart and have done everything right after precious Mollie went missing. It’s so amazingly heartbreaking.
Please, please let them find this monster before he strikes again.
I enjoyed reading your well thought out comment Marie.

However, I do wonder whether she could have been on her way to her mom's for one reason and one reason only.

Recently her mom was quoted as saying Mollie only has two of the red shirts she was supposed to wear to work that day and they were both found in the house.
 
In reply to @cady
The reason some wonder if she was home was because of the reports that LE allegedly shared with her brother and a neighbor that she was home after her run and working on homework. As with every other detail in the case, LE has not confirmed or denied this.

The other reason is that initially it was reported her red work shirt could not be found. Later her mom reported she found 2 shirts in her bedroom at her home, but she could have had a 3rd. Then reports regarding finding a red shirt near the farm.

Her boyfriend also received a good night snap at 10 pm. The time it was sent is unknown but he said it was inside and he believed it to be after her run. LE also allegedly asked Mollie's mom if Mollie was "in a house" at 9:45pm, which some speculate may have been the time she sent the snap to her boyfriend.

Moooooo.
 
I thought she never went to her Mother's house on the night of the 18th???
That was speculation that she might have intended to go to her mother's while out jogging and had maybe planned to shower once she got there.
ETA Since she went back and forth between the two houses, she would have had a change of clothes there too.
 
Her “pinned tweet” on her twitter page is a screen shot of texts between her and bf. It states that a police officer approached her at the library, asking if she had recently gotten off the bus and if the pink coat on her chair was hers. He stated to her that a 10 year old girl was missing. Basically, she was flabbergasted that someone would think she was a missing 10 year old girl.
I, and a few others, have been unable to find any coverage or report of a missing 10 year old girl on that date. Thinking is, it may have been a ruse to initiate conversation with Mollie. Iowa City, is less than an hour away from Brooklyn. MOO

I really don't believe in coincidence... That is just incredibly odd... And, it opens up an entirely different line of thought. Of this person reappeared, it would be a familiar face to MT, and while it would be unexpected, believing that person was with LE, there would be some level of trust...
Oh, wow...
 
No. They've been very closed-lipped. But I'd bet you lunch they know that - and a lot more.
At some point they need to set their pride aside and ask for the public's assistance. They want folks to report anything that might be useful but they do not narrow down the window enough. I highly doubt they are building a case. This will get solved when some inmate overhears something some day. I hope I am wrong.
 
I thought she never went to her Mother's house on the night of the 18th???
She never arrived at her mother's house. However, she and her mother exchanged texts earlier regarding dinner. Mollie asked her mom what she was making for dinner, and her mom replied, "Brats", to which Mollie replied, "OK". So Mollie may (or may not) have been planning to drop by her mom's for dinner, and to pick up her shared car for the morning.
 
Her “pinned tweet” on her twitter page is a screen shot of texts between her and bf. It states that a police officer approached her at the library, asking if she had recently gotten off the bus and if the pink coat on her chair was hers. He stated to her that a 10 year old girl was missing. Basically, she was flabbergasted that someone would think she was a missing 10 year old girl.
I, and a few others, have been unable to find any coverage or report of a missing 10 year old girl on that date. Thinking is, it may have been a ruse to initiate conversation with Mollie. Iowa City, is less than an hour away from Brooklyn. MOO

Maybe he thought she was a suspect? Since he asked if coat was hers?
 
Despite all the conflicting info about whether or not she returned from her room and was doing homework there is one thing that stands out:

Her mom’s clearly stated position that she does not believe Molly returned home that night. If there had been some indication that she had returned home, apparently that information was not shared with her mother or what they once thought to be true re: returning home has since been proven false.
But the Mom had previously said the exact opposite. Given the opposing statements I am not sure how much reliance to place on this statement.
 
I believe there is a tool like this.

Yesterday I was using the distance measuring tool to come up with jog routes that would put Mollie at approximately 45 minutes. The only problem is it doesn't save the measurement lines. I thought I had read Mollie ran about an 8 or 9 minute mile, though I don't know for certain that is correct. So I was calculating the distance and then multiplying it by both numbers to get a range.

I have opened the map up so that anyone can edit. It should free up the tools to use the measurement feature I mentioned and likely the feature you're looking for. If I had more time this morning I would try to figure it out but hopefully someone better at this can take a crack at it.

Could you please repost the link? I looked through the last 6 pages and don't see it. Thank you!
 
So I was thinking from the beginning that someone MAY have been trying to pin this all on the WC guy. I really didn't think he was guilty even though they searched his farm MANY times. I was thinking originally he probably didn't take the lie detector test because he already has a stalking charge on him and he thought that he might incriminate himself so to speak even though he has done nothing wrong in regards to MT's disappearance.

Also I just saw that MisterMayor's post. That made me think of something.

What IF MT went for a run the first time. Then during that 1st run she started talking to someone that she THOUGHT she knew on her phone. Maybe in the middle of texting her mom she was texting the other guy and he offered her to come to HIS house instead to eat. So MAYBE she decided that she would go to his house and then go to her mom's later after she ate at his house (and we would take her there) and pick up the car. But what I am saying is MAYBE she decided to eat with this guy (that she SUPPOSEDLY trusted and once she got to his house everything went down south and maybe she turned down his advances and maybe he got mad and hurt her on purpose or then he hurt her on accident). So then he needed to figure out what to do. Maybe the first run she had her jogging clothes on (the small top and bottoms). What IF this person (who she THOUGHT she trusted) told her to meet them at the end of her road. So she got home from her jog the first time. Then did some homework. Then slapped on the red shirt to protect her phone since it was raining. She seems like someone who doesn't feel like she needs to dress up. She seems down to earth, and probably since she knew this guy didn't feel like she needed to dress up to go to his house. Maybe she just wanted to be casual also since she knew him well. I know I am funny about that. I wear jeans and T-shirt pretty much everywhere. So she didn't feel the need to change clothes when she got back home from her first jog. Maybe also she was in a rush to get some homework done so that she could hurry to jog down to the end of the road later to meet this guy to go to his house to hang out and eat before going to her mom's later to pick up the car.

MAYBE this someone that knew her was watching her all along (stalking) on social media. Maybe she already knew him (I personally think she knew him and trusted him). I am thinking that she knew him because she was possibly seen in HIS house when that Snapchat went through to her boyfriend (when he couldn't recognize the room she was in). Maybe all along he was following and stalking her on social media so he KNEW she going to be alone that day and that her boyfriend and everyone was out of town. Or maybe he knew some of her friends through friends and found out that way. Since she was on social media a lot, maybe like us he was keeping track on social media of her posting and her "LIKES" and knew where she was at every minute. If we can do it, he could have done that too.

Then after she went to his house he made an advance at her. She only liked him as a friend and turned him down and everything got ugly from there. Maybe it was planned and he wanted to purposely hurt her and that's why he got her in his house, or maybe it was an accident. Then maybe he went back to WC's house and property later. If he had already done something to her at his house then maybe he decided to cover it up so he went back to WC's property and threw the shirt on his property to try to make him look guilty (or frame him).

Maybe WC was doing some stalking out his window (not necessarily stalking her though) and actually saw something while he was looking out his window. Maybe the reason they are questioning WC so much is that he DID see something (maybe the guy who kidnapped MT and threw the red shirt out or something). But not sure on that. Just an idea I had in the beginning of all of this.

I am still unsure on the Fitbit though. If she met up with someone I would think that she would not have taken the Fitbit with her. I would think she would have only taken her phone. I was thinking if this was planned and IF this guy knew MT (which I think he did) he KNEW all about her neighbors including WC, and may have even knew he had a stalking charge on him so he was an easy target to try to frame.

Also MAYBE she went jogging the first time. Then maybe she was going to meet someone later. But they told her that they had something to do and asked her if she could meet them at a distance from her house. Maybe she decided she was going to be doing quite a bit of jogging so she went ahead and took her Fitbit just in case. But they ended up picking her up earlier than she thought they would pick her up.

MAYBE that black SUV (I know I read earlier on that the black SUV was accounted for, but what if there was more than one SUV and there REALLY WAS an SUV in MT's neighborhood that night when that woman reported seeing one). Maybe it WAS the SUV that came back and the reason WHY they came back that night was so that they could plant that red shirt on WC's property to frame him. This was my first guess UNTIL I heard that SUV was accounted for. But I am still leaning towards this scenario. Maybe the guy came back (MAYBE he WAS in the black SUV) and threw the Fitbit on WC's property too along with the red shirt to frame him. If he came back later that night no one would have saw him especially if it was raining and because it was dark. Maybe CW saw him when he picked up MT and LE was questioning him so they could maybe get a description of him or the vehicle he was driving.

But then again if she went with him to his house I would THINK they would have tracked the Fitbit. I don't know though how all that works. I know nothing about a Fitbit. And again WHY would she take a Fitbit with her if she was meeting this guy and either hanging out and maybe eating a meal with him just as a friend.

Just ALL assumptions on MY part.
 
I really don't believe in coincidence... That is just incredibly odd... And, it opens up an entirely different line of thought. Of this person reappeared, it would be a familiar face to MT, and while it would be unexpected, believing that person was with LE, there would be some level of trust...
Oh, wow...

If the person was posing as a law enforcement officer, it would have been easy for her to trust them. They might have used a ruse like "Your mom is hurt" or something of that nature. While I don't suspect she'd get in a car with a total stranger, most people aren't going to question a cop pulling up - and if she recognized the face from that instance, she's not going to second-guess it.
 
Mollie could have showered and changed at her mom's house, if she had planned to go there for dinner, pick up the car, and then drive back to the boyfriend's house. She had a room and clothes at her mom's house. Just mentioning that because it changes the possible jogging routes.

Right. But she didn’t make it to her moms house if that was her intent. Point being if her running clothes/shoes are unaccounted for, likely she didn’t make it anywhere after her jog, IMO.

The other thing i’ll Throw out there with regard to routes. When I run, I have 2- 3 different routes, but there are several points along each route that I can add on a few blocks here and there along the route, Depending on how I’m feeling as I run. Say I start my 3 mile route because I’m kinda tired or it’s hot, but a mile into the run I’m cranking the pace and feeling good, I may add a quick loop around a block or two in a few different spots (I run in neighborhoods too), and that will have the effect of lengthening my run by .5/1 mile. I know a lot of runners that do this, and it’s easy to do when you have a device that tracks your real time distance. All of this is to say I think it’s useful to have a general idea of where MT might have ran due to sightings, but IMO think it’s near impossible to know her exact route without a run app (or Fitbit) with the info we currently have.
 
No doubt it would be on their list. If there is anything or anyone that she ever posted on SM, it is on their list. But IMO it seems unrelated.

Most likely unrelated, but you never know what little thread you might pull to unravel the whole mystery. I am sure if LE has it one their radar that they have looked into it. Campus police should have at least a report of a missing child if they spent any time at all looking.
 
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