Found Deceased IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 #22

[i'm someone]

I think that person made a mistake as too where she and her immediate family(except for the Father) live. They all live in Brooklyn, Iowa.

Ok, that's what I thought. With 22 threads I thought I probably missed some important previously undisclosed info. I replied to the poster to clarify, but they didn't answer.

 

[First_responder]

Everybody make sure to be nice to First_responder!!!

Hahaha, well... I also know a guy who owns a crematory and "joked" he could dispose a human for $600 cash. With the new bone grinders they crush everything into a fine powder and there are no large bone or teeth fragments. He's a retired firefighter and a really nice guy, but I wouldn't cross him haha

 

[Cardinal47]

I still can't believe the security light was out over at the electric company. Isn't that their business...electricity and items pertaining to electricity. Geeez 2 weeks?

 

[Stormy21]

Anyone can eliminate the trace of a body... I honestly don't know how people get caught if they thought things through first.

Ah

Because there is always evidence. Always. It may not be obvious now or 25 years from now, but it is still there.

And things are getting better with technology. Take DNA. One can determine DNA from a cigarette butt. I do not think it will end there. Not only is there DNA, but some day investigators will look at RNA, mitochondria, and even 'epigenetic' evidence. People are looking at the way drugs and the environment affect your DNA to predict drug use or toxic poisonings. They look at microtubules.

There wasn't DNA until Watson and Crick 'discovered' it, but it existed.

 

[runfar262]

O/T, but just to lighten the mood momentarily...all you folks referencing Children of the Corn need to watch better corn movies...might I suggest Field of Dreams....

On my personal " top ten movies of all time" list. I especially love the quote by Moonlight Graham: "You know, we just don't recognize the most significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, well, there'll be other days. I didn't realize that that was the only day."

 

[Al Hoffman]

The other thing about perps in construction...I know I’ve heard of at least one missing/murder case where the perp buried the body at the job site (access to diggers etc.) I cant remember the specific case, but I believe LE was able to figure it out by evidence of travel between place of work and where victim was last. (Receipts, cameras etc.) But it was a case that took a long time to solve.
Obviously, I am hoping this has nothing to do with Mollie’s disappearance, but whenever I hear “missing” and “construction” it reminds me of that previous case. JMO

The problem with rural areas is that many farms have the very same "construction" equipment on hand (backhoes and diggers) and "raw" land, lots of raw land. Back in the 80's, around New Orleans, I had a friend who made insane money as a River Pilot on the Mississippi. He invested in a horse farm, and lost his bucks, because the property manager was a serial killer, who buried his kills on the property using the backhoe kept on site to bury dead horses. LE spent a very long time digging up the place. Since then, I have been very suspicious of anyone who owns large tracts of land with a pristine 20 year old Ford backhoe (that has less than 20 hours of operation on the meter) parked in the barn. Be afraid, be very afraid!

 

[feralwriter]

The problem is that gestures don't always mean the same thing with everybody.A clenched fist could mean a person is trying to repress, which could be anger, sorrow, the urge to say something that shouldn't be said, or even physical pain. Tapping fingers may mean nervousness, but I do it when I'm bored and know others who do it when impatient. I know a lot of people who bite their nails all of the time, but more so when nervous; the nervousness could be from being on camera, speaking to strangers, being recorded, or guilt; it's hard to say which unless you know the person better. Playing with a ring could mean a lot of things, as you said, it could show thoughts of a bad relationship, but could also be a form of comfort when stressed because it's a good relationship. Your last one, I think you got that one right so I won't try to come up with a different example. There's a reason why profilers and others who "read" people go through training for their jobs. Everybody can read a book on reading body language and faces for fun, but that's not going to get anyone to the point of being able to accurately know what's going on with any particular person by comparing them to examples in the book. MOO

That's why a baseline is so important: what is normal for an individual person. Same with body temperature. One person's fever is another's baseline.

It can be medical. ADHD, for instance. It can be medications for a condition. It can be needing medication for a condition, too. Hyperthyroid.

It's also cultural. I've lived all over the U.S. except for the South. Being a native PA. person, when I go back, everyone seems more hyper than, say, San Fran. I have issues sitting still. Some of us are naturally wiry, high-energy folks. Quick on the uptake, light turns green, on it.

Last (but not least), it can be sheer anxiety. Were my loved one missing, my eyes would be right on the interviewer. I would be interested in the proceedings, wherever I found myself, esp. in front of a camera. I seriously doubt I could even stand still for more than a few seconds. EDIT: I play with my hair a lot. I hate that I play with my ^%^& hair. I can't stop. Hello, idiosnycrasy.

 

[RavenCC2020]

FITBIT SCIENCE EXPERIMENT - COMPLETE
Conclusion - Fitbit needs body movement to calculate steps. No physical movement = no steps.

EXPERIMENT:
I have a Fitbit Alta, the same one as MT... I pulled up the Fitbit App on my phone and synced to update my current step count etc. It does not show me any type of location , where I am, or map of where I have been today.

With my Fitbit on my wrist, I walked around and exaggerated my wrist movement and my step count was updating live and continued counting on my Fitbit app, I didn't have to re-sync/update or stop and wait to see how many steps I completed, it was counting live, Started at 1 step and ended at 100 steps.

Next, I took the Fitbit Off of my wrist and put it into a bowl. I walked the same route holding the bowl w/ Fitbit inside and walked, holding the bowl as still as I could, the step count did not change on the App, even though the Fitbit was technically moving around with me. My thought was, possibly Bluetooth/GPS/cell towers could just pick up the movement of the Fitbit from point A to B, not necessarily count by my body movement. BTW, if I moved the bowl just slightly, it counted steps.

LE could take the # of steps on her Fitbit account from a PC and re-create a map, north, south, east, west and go in each direction and see what landmark, forest, house, farm or a field is there. An example would be, 1000 steps recorded the day she disappeared... It would also tell them the time the Fitbit last had activity. If I sit down and watch a 2-hour movie, it will show I had no movement between 2-4 pm on 8/11/18. My last movement was at 2 pm but not 3 or 4 pm. This is also how it tracks your sleep, bedtime and wake time.

LE has to know the day/time MT started moving and stopped and the # of steps from the time she woke up to her last step from that day or days after. If she was sitting on a floor, and bound at the wrists but still twisting her wrist, it would still count steps. It's that sensitive. Also, the App shows the current Fitbit battery life as well.
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Finally battery life info... If MT has her text messages, incoming calls and alarm clock synced to her Fitbit to vibrate, the battery drains faster. I don't know if this is the case... I will use mine as an example.. Based off 50 text alerts, and 1-2 alarms per day, my Fitbit battery will last 4-5 days. No alarms and a few texts, it will last 7 days +.. I'm sure with everyone in town texting and calling her, trying to locate her, it drained her Fitbit battery fairly quickly and it was drained within 24 hours if she had it synced.

Edit to add.. The vibration is loud, especially vibrating against your wrist bone and the skin on your wrist is thin...If she was with a perp, without a doubt, he would be able to hear it vibrating, to turn the vibration off, MT would have to do it through the App on the phone or PC.

WOW great experiment and informative results! Thanks for sharing.

 

[carbuff]

I am not arguing, I am asking because I might have missed something. Is she from a different town, and does her family live in that town? And I am thinking now that the OP was just in error, and misunderstood her living situation themselves. I could be wrong. They've only made that single post.

I don't know. I didn't see the post you're referring to, just the follow-on discussion, and I mistakenly thought the issue was about the town line.

eta: went back to look. I have no clue what that person was talking about.

 

[Stormy21]

On my personal " top ten movies of all time" list. I especially love the quote by Moonlight Graham: "You know, we just don't recognize the most significant moments of our lives while they're happening. Back then I thought, well, there'll be other days. I didn't realize that that was the only day."

I should not say this but..........Field of Dreams is about an hour from around here. I once tried to push my wife into that actual cornfield (where Costner filmed it) to see if she would disappear. She didn't. But I got struck down by lightening.

BTW. Moonlight Graham's sequences were shot in Galena Ill.

 

[Daae]

Just curious, what makes you think that a serial killer is involved? Not doubting you, but I am just curious.

The lack of physical evidence. SK's are often psychopaths who don't think like us at all!!! They don't however want to get caught. It could be a sex offender who has progressed to the next step of kidnap or murder. I don't think it was for monetary gain and I don't think Mollie was depressed.

 

[str8nightowl]

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I'm not yet convinced it's a male. Maybe due to some personal speculation, but I'm leaning toward a possible female being responsible.

Michelle, I too in the beginning THOUGHT it is possible that the person who abducted her was a female. But I would think this female would have to be a pretty strong and big girl to overpower Mollie. Mollie seems pretty strong and seems like she could take care of herself, especially with a small female (not so much for a male). A male if strong enough can usually ALWAYS overpower a woman. My husband could overpower probably 2-3 women at once if he wanted to. Men are just much bigger than women (that's a fact). But I was also thinking MAYBE there is someone that possibly has a crush on Mollie's boyfriend (jealousy) and Mollie knows her. Maybe she showed up at Mollie's house or Mollie went to her house and thought nothing of it, because it was a friend of Mollies. Then MAYBE from there things turned ugly. I don't know though. Just a possibly too. Maybe a jealous friend (woman) that could have also been stalking her. Or could be someone that is jealous of her accomplishments too that was friends with her in school and was stalking her. MANY women become jealous of things like that. Mollie seemed like a very bright person with a great future headed for her. Maybe there a was a girl that was jealous of that for some reason (like a competition per se). Just ALL speculation.

 

[thesaint]

People seem to think that the Fitbit is going to give Mollie's precise location. I fear this is not the case.

Information on how to use Fitbit's MobileRun feature to track your runs and generate precise maps:

Fitbit Help - How do I use the Fitbit app to capture GPS data?

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WHAT DATA DOES MOBILERUN TRACK?
Working with the GPS sensors in your phone, MobileRun calculates distance, elevation, and pace for your walk, run, or hike. When the activity is done and you sync your tracker, you'll find all the data and a GPS map of your route in your exercise history.

 

[castilloisno1]

Women are so much less violent than men.The great preponderance of violent crimes and sex crimes are committed by males. Testosterone!

Unfortunately, a lot of women kill children....

 

[whitelilac]

Anyone can eliminate the trace of a body... I honestly don't know how people get caught if they thought things through first.

I would suggest, ...as the saying goes...don't try this at home.

 

[i'm someone]

I don't know. I didn't see the post you're referring to, just the follow-on discussion, and I mistakenly thought the issue was about the town line.

I think will all the maps being posted, the town is probably burned in all of our minds and I could probably jog from one end of it to another if you plopped me down in it. And I am directionally impaired, too.

 

[otto]

I believe that depends on the method.

Ever watch those documentaries on The War of the Roses, or Finding Richard the III? Forensic scientists (in some cases) can determine the cause of death of knights and warriors in the middle ages. And farther back.

Knights and warriors in the middle ages were killed with swords, and knife wounds on bones, or broken bones, as we saw with Morgan Harrington, will always be easy to identify. With bone analysis, it is also sometimes possible to identify diet.

When a body is found and murder is suspected, the first step is identification. After that comes the forensic analysis of when, how, and collection of evidence. The longer a body decomposes, the less likely it is that evidence will be identified. Cause of death by gunshot may even be difficult to recognize if no bones are hit. Hannah Graham's body was found in pieces in a hillside stream. It was impossible to know when or how she was killed.

 

[Deleted member 228069]

I should not say this but..........Field of Dreams is about an hour from around here. I once tried to push my wife into that actual cornfield (where Costner filmed it) to see if she would disappear. She didn't. But I got struck down by lightening.

BTW. Moonlight Graham's sequences were shot in Galena Ill.

lol Oh, you're bad.

 

[CheetosDust]

Wasn’t that a baseball movie? I love my horror flicks...especially the old cheesy ones. But I can say I don’t typically pick my movies based on vegetables.

This might be a crazy question. I’m don’t visit too many corn fields. The few I have walked it seemed like the ground was rock solid. Almost like concrete. Is that true of corn fields? Might make burying a body difficult.

The dirt in between the rows depends on the soil and weeds, ground runoff etc. The dirt where I walked was mostly soft and I could easily tell rows that I had been in before or where an animal had gone through. This was in Ohio. I don’t know if Iowa dirt is similar lol

 

[zecats]

Wasn’t that a baseball movie? I love my horror flicks...especially the old cheesy ones. But I can say I don’t typically pick my movies based on vegetables.

This might be a crazy question. I’m don’t visit too many corn fields. The few I have walked it seemed like the ground was rock solid. Almost like concrete. Is that true of corn fields? Might make burying a body difficult.

Baseball movie, yes, with Kevin Costner. 1989.
And there would be no need to bury a body in a cornfield. Just leave there - not to be discovered until the field is harvested.