IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #39

[Al Hoffman]

Oh it’s better than that. He sued TAMA COUNTY FOR A BILLION DOLLARS.

THEN LOOK AT IOWA BAR ASSOCIATION. UNDER ACTIONS. I BELIVE HE WAS ADMONISHED.

Better call Saul!

 

[The Farm]

There is no way in a million years that I would believe that CR did not know Mollie at all. Small town, small population of young people, 200 students at the high school? He had seen and watched her,,,,and planned. But he did not plan to get caught.

 

[JudgeJoe]

Part 1 of 3:

According to FBI, these are the motivators for serial killers. The Bureau does not differentiate between serial killers and violent killers for motive:

• “Anger is a motivation in which an offender displays rage or hostility towards a certain subgroup of the population or with society as a whole.

• Criminal Enterprise is a motivation in which the offender benefits in status or monetary compensation by committing murder that is drug, gang, or organized crime related.

• Financial gain is a motivation in which the offender benefits monetarily from killing. Examples of these types of crimes are “black widow” killings, robbery homicides, or multiple killings involving insurance or welfare fraud.

• Ideology is a motivation to commit murders in order to further the goals and ideas of a specific individual or group. Examples of these include terrorist groups or an individual(s) who attacks a specific racial, gender, or ethnic group.

• Power/thrill is a motivation in which the offender feels empowered and/or excited when he kills his victims.

• Psychosis is a situation in which the offender is suffering from a severe mental illness and is killing because of that illness. This may include auditory and/or visual hallucinations and paranoid, grandiose, or bizarre delusions.

• Sexually-based is a motivation driven by the sexual needs/desires of the offender. There may or may not be overt sexual contact reflected in the crime scene.


An offender selects a victim, regardless of the category, based upon availability, vulnerability, and desirability. Availability is explained as the lifestyle of the victim or circumstances in which the victim is involved, that allow the offender access to the victim. Vulnerability is defined as the degree to which the victim is susceptible to attack by the offender. Desirability is described as the appeal of the victim to the offender. Desirability involves numerous factors based upon the motivation of the offender and may include factors dealing with the race, gender, ethnic background, age of the victim, or other specific preferences the offender determines.”

Serial Murder — FBI


*This publication also details investigative techniques, press releases & family liaison practices. Mollie’s investigators did everything impeccably to this standard.

 

[EaglesSpeical]

About 14-15

She was a minor and he would have been around 2o-21 years old

How is this not a crime??

 

[JudgeJoe]

Part 2 of 3

From my armchair WS BAU:

Some suggest motive isn’t relevant. But I think important to building a prosecution, especially when the crime shocks & the perpetrator surprises. The human mind naturally searches to know why.

In the WS minority, I don’t think this crime was sexually motivated. Forensics may find no evidence of rape. Even if found, it doesn’t prove lust killing. I believe this was an anger/ rage killing. (Yes, I know rape is about anger, power & control.) Not anger at Mollie, but at women or society in general. I don’t think CR’s American dream has panned out as he had envisioned, and growing frustration, repeated rejections by various women, & inability to keep his new family together produced a sense of failure, emptiness, hopelessness and resentment. I think Mollie represented everything he wanted but couldn’t have. By taking her away, he hurts the society he blames for killing his dream. I also think anger turned to rage when she tried to call police (I think he told the truth about this). In his mind, she rejected him AND could potentially destroy any minute possibility of an American dream by taking away his America through deportation. He snapped. Remember “offender selects a victim, regardless of the category”, so just because he stalked her, doesn’t mean he didn’t snap.

 

[Trident]

No, at preliminary arraingment the Judge told CR that he might have to register as a sexual offender.

This means to me that the State has a preliminary finding or suspicion of rape, SA, or abuse of a corpse. Under the felony murder rule, a proveable finding of rape supports and allows for a Murder One charge. As the investigation continues, and more evidence develops, further charges may be filed if the weight of evidence supports the charge. CR may never be charged with rape if there is insufficent forensic evidence available because of advanced decomposition of the body, and the effects of weather.

Kidnapping alone should be enough to support the Murder One charge, and CR has already admitted to this.

IF CR is convicted of murder 1, what good would it do to registering him as a sex offender. Wouldn't he be in prison for life, without parole?

 

[JudgeJoe]

Part 3 of 3:

I think a CBR “trigger” was other recent rejections & summer itself. His baby was born in summer. His relationship ended in summer (1 yr after baby was born per reports). His only posted “family” pic was in front of tall corn. If you’re not in a relationship, in climates with 4 distinct seasons, summer can exacerbate loneliness & isolation when others tend to get more socially active.

Yes, I watch Criminal Minds.

I’m done marathon posting for a time now. Gonna wait for the prelim...

As RT said, celebrate something good today, & think of Mollie.

 

[Gardenista]

Cristhian Rivera changes lawyers in his murder case

 

[Trident]

How is this not a crime??

It should be and that was my whole point when I asked her age. Again, is it possible that the possible sex offender registering is in consideration of her age?

 

[Al Hoffman]

That has been my concern from the beginning. From where I am to Nogales, Arizona the Spanish has some differences. I would even wager to say from Nogales, Arizona to Nogales, Sonora you will find the same thing.

For some Hispanics from South America, it can be more Portuguese than Spanish. All Carribian and Latin American Spanish is not the same.

 

[TL4S]

Sorry guys, another Fitbit question. Assuming she had on the Fitbit and it was registering when she died, would it have shown a continuous heartbeat and its pattern of slowing? I would assume her pulse would be rushing, rushing, rushing, then slowing, slowing, stop. Would all that show?

I've figured all along that if LE had this information, they would have told the family they suspected she was dead because of the data. However, maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Maybe they had their reasons to play like they thought she was alive?

 

[kpm]

How is this not a crime??

Good question, she may have been 16-17, some reports say the child is 3, some say 4.

Iowa statutory rape law is violated when a person has consensual sexual intercourse with an individual under age 16.

A close in age exemption allows teens aged 14 and 15 to consent to partners less than 4 years older.

Iowa Age of Consent & Statutory Rape Laws

 

[The Farm]

Part 2 of 3

From my armchair WS BAU:

Some suggest motive isn’t relevant. But I think important to building a prosecution, especially when the crime shocks & the perpetrator surprises. The human mind naturally searches to know why.

In the WS minority, I don’t think this crime was sexually motivated. Forensics may find no evidence of rape. Even if found, it doesn’t prove lust killing. I believe this was an anger/ rage killing. (Yes, I know rape is about anger, power & control.) Not anger at Mollie, but at women or society in general. I don’t think CR’s American dream has panned out as he had envisioned, and growing frustration, repeated rejections by various women, & inability to keep his new family together produced a sense of failure, emptiness, hopelessness and resentment. I think Mollie represented everything he wanted but couldn’t have. By taking her away, he hurts the society he blames for killing his dream. I also think anger turned to rage when she tried to call police (I think he told the truth about this). In his mind, she rejected him AND could potentially destroy any minute possibility of an American dream by taking away his America through deportation. He snapped. Remember “offender selects a victim, regardless of the category”, so just because he stalked her, doesn’t mean he didn’t snap.

Now I have no link for this but women are not high on their respect list.
I am still wondering if his baby mama is a legal citizen because if he was after marrying an American to ensure it might give him more clearance to remain here there is motive enough for me but basically unproveable.

 

[The Farm]

Cristhian Rivera changes lawyers in his murder case

Does not surprise me at all, I knew this was coming.

 

[kpm]

Part 2 of 3

From my armchair WS BAU:

Some suggest motive isn’t relevant. But I think important to building a prosecution, especially when the crime shocks & the perpetrator surprises. The human mind naturally searches to know why.

In the WS minority, I don’t think this crime was sexually motivated. Forensics may find no evidence of rape. Even if found, it doesn’t prove lust killing. I believe this was an anger/ rage killing. (Yes, I know rape is about anger, power & control.) Not anger at Mollie, but at women or society in general. I don’t think CR’s American dream has panned out as he had envisioned, and growing frustration, repeated rejections by various women, & inability to keep his new family together produced a sense of failure, emptiness, hopelessness and resentment. I think Mollie represented everything he wanted but couldn’t have. By taking her away, he hurts the society he blames for killing his dream. I also think anger turned to rage when she tried to call police (I think he told the truth about this). In his mind, she rejected him AND could potentially destroy any minute possibility of an American dream by taking away his America through deportation. He snapped. Remember “offender selects a victim, regardless of the category”, so just because he stalked her, doesn’t mean he didn’t snap.

Exactly what I’ve been saying!

 

[Mom24]

Does not surprise me at all, I knew this was coming.

This isn't uncommon. You get charged, prelim hearings are set and you need an atty. You call through the yellow pages, get someone who can show on short notice for the prelim hearing knowing that after that you can look around and find a better atty.

 

[EaglesSpeical]

Cristhian Rivera changes lawyers in his murder case

No surprise here. Interesting adding a woman to the defense team. Kind of risky play that can backfire with a jury I have found from my experience as a federal court civil trial attorney. If the jury suspects a woman added to "soften" the defendant in the eyes of jury they will react negatively MOO. Trying to think of last high profile murder/SO case where woman/girl was victim and defense attorney was female? Not OJ...Anyone remember a similar case where female attorney was on defense team in prominent role?MOO

 

[kpm]

Rivera’s new attorneys have waived his preliminary hearing, which had been scheduled for August 31st.

They’ve also filed a motion to withdraw any previous motions filed by Richards while he represented Rivera – that includes a motion for a gag order.

Online court records show the attorney that represented him during his initial appearance last Wednesday, Allan M. Richards, is no longer his counsel. Documents show Chad R. Frese of Kaplan & Frese, LLP and Jennifer J. Frese, of Johnson, Bonzer & Barnaby, P.C. are now representing Rivera.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ Murder Gets New Counsel, Waives Preliminary Hearing

 

[Tea time]

Cristhian Rivera changes lawyers in his murder case

Thank goodness.....based on CR’s own account his responsibility seems obvious......but his previous attorney had me concerned about adequate representation.

 

[EaglesSpeical]

Rivera’s new attorneys have waived his preliminary hearing, which had been scheduled for August 31st.

They’ve also filed a motion to withdraw any previous motions filed by Richards while he represented Rivera – that includes a motion for a gag order.

Online court records show the attorney that represented him during his initial appearance last Wednesday, Allan M. Richards, is no longer his counsel. Documents show Chad R. Frese of Kaplan & Frese, LLP and Jennifer J. Frese, of Johnson, Bonzer & Barnaby, P.C. are now representing Rivera.

Suspect in Mollie Tibbetts’ Murder Gets New Counsel, Waives Preliminary Hearing

These attorneys are competent it appears. Never should have agreed to a preliminary hearing in a case like this one IMHO. Competent counsel important to avoid appeals based on lack of proper representation later on MMO.