IA - Mollie Tibbetts, 20, Poweshiek County, 19 Jul 2018 *Arrest* #39

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The case you mentioned is heartbreaking. Thank you for mentioning it.

We have been seeing broad daylight violent crimes happening for quite a long time now. Now it seems crimes like this are not cloaked in darkness any longer.

We have seen so many cases where children were abducted in broad daylight right on a busy street by predators who then raped and murdered them. It is as if the suspects are becoming bolder.

We have seen deadly home invasions being done during daylight hours. Businesses are being robbed during daylight hours. Some resulting in the owner or employees being stabbed to death or shot.

At one time most burglaries took place in darkness to prevent any confrontation from happening. Now more and more criminals don't seem to care if anyone is home or not. The value of human life seems to continue to decline.

It's scary though because most people feel the safest during daylight hours but the truth is we can be at risk no matter what hour of the day or where we may be.
(O/T/IKR? It's like The Walking Dead, Fear the Walking Dead, all these zombie-type entertainments are, uh, kinda coming true. Daylight hours is some audacious stuff. My neigh walked over to give me homegrown tomatoes. Caught him out the corner of my eye as he rounded my house coming up driveway, didn't recog him. I screamed so loud he heard me. He'd never heard of MT when I offered an explan.) Like you all, I think the defense will be something else. I wish he'd just plead guilty. Some here are confident the U.S. knows his real identity. It's like he's shape-shifted thru all this. Normal seeming guy to murderer. Fake name to real name. Normal memory to blocked. Will how he pleads shift over time too? Thanks
 
I do think it’s important to highlight the many different identities a person who is in the United States illegally can use. The man who stalked, harassed, and cyber stalked me for over 10 years used a fake name and no doubt had a fake ID card. He is from another country, but he easily hid behind his new identity.

When they harass people or worse, commit murder, it makes it even harder to figure out who they truly are and how many identities they have used over a given amount of time. In this huge immigrant debate, people lose sight of fake identities that are assumed and how dangerous it can actually be. To this day, I don’t even know this man’s identity that harassed me for over a decade.
Too true, there are all manner and numbers of people roaming around committing terrible crimes that hide their identity... I'm sorry for what you went through and with no charges or resolution of their identity at the very least!

I haven't been able to process a post on this thread a week or more ago (before LE arrested CR and Mollie's dad went back to CA "very reluctantly") that was somewhat "offtopic" from Mollie's disappearance at the time, where someone following cold cases regarding unidentified remains asked for help because the unknown remains in the US were around ten thousand!!

Deeply breathing, I'll acknowledge I know it's possible there's more awareness of crimes with the dawn and surge of the internet & knowledge of all these cases that seems overwhelmingly much 'more' than before, but as you point out, your harasser is still unknown and who knows what else they have done, and there are thousands of other unknown victims and criminals!

CR seems like he had at least started into using a false identity to get what he wanted (as far as we know to be approved for work at the dairy farm outside of Brooklyn), and then he killed Mollie, a local girl who he was 'aware of'. It's a terrible thing that people figure out ways to game the LE system and get away with terrible crimes.

He didn't, at least this once, and will pay for his crime because of heightened awareness or whatever reasons the property owner on Mollie's running route had a video camera that recorded CR following her!

I hope for a better day and age when no crime can be hidden or criminal unsleuthed, and know in my heart of hearts that Mollie's life and sadly her death, is a painful inspiration for all of us.

Mollie, you will never be forgotten and will inspire us all to stop the madness of crimes against the innocent! Never more!
 
*I seriously don't mean to rehash things. Honestly. I'm very map and time obsessed right now and need to know if this works.

Has it been confirmed how fast Mollie normally ran?

I ask because distance-wise, I don't think it would be out of line for her to normally run to some point (or to the end) of the 1900 block of 385th. If she was running an 8 minute mile pace or less, running all the way to the end and home would be close to 45 minutes.

If she was planning to go straight to her mom's from Boundary and Middle area, she'd only have really run a couple of miles that night. Which maybe was the case, but that wasn't her normal distance, I don't think.

Going with this idea, I think CR followed her down 385 and either ambushed her towards the less-populated eastern end, or waited for her somewhere there until she was on her way back. That spot on LE's map was probably due to a Fitbit spike during abduction, which likely was a grab and go.

If Mollie was running about an 8 minute mile, that would have put her at that red dot around 8pm or shortly after. From that intersection it takes around 15 minutes to drive to the cornfield via V21 (sorry, I had this wrong yesterday) and past pig farm (only 1 mile away from cornfield).

I think he could have dragged/carried her into the cornfield and done all he did in approximately 10 minutes, and her Fitbit showed death at 8:28pm, or CR was on his phone at 8:28. Something. JMO

Of course, if she was a much slower runner, this scenario wouldn't work the same.
It's possible 8:28 could have been the last reading from her fitbit. I think it would have to be interpreted at corporate, though, because my fitbit app's display isn't that detailed to get down to the minutes.
 
The ACLU isn't just there to save innocent people from wrongful convictions. Guilty people have rights too

Yes, this. Their website states that "The ACLU works in the courts, legislatures and communities to defend and preserve the individual rights and liberties guaranteed to all people in this country by the Constitution and laws of the United States." (bbm)

While you may think they shouldn't interject on behalf of someone who is "guilty," or someone who is here illegally, it's important to consider the greater context of these cases. Being okay with sacrificing rights in one case could have spillover effects in future cases.
 
There you go again Otto, with that pesky engineer's heart of yours!

The 'No' in the known date and time box simply means that the LEO can't swear to an EXACT time for the crime, but in the next 4 boxes he does give a date of 18 July for the date and a time range ending at 20:28. In that he affirms that on 18 July BY 20:28 the crime of Murder in the 1st degree was committed by CR. This is a sworn affidavit and the LEO can't lie on it, but must give his best good faith estimate of when the crime occurred. This also gives the LEO a bit of wiggle room when testifying, to avoid being beaten up by the Defense over small time discrepancies; because the time of the occurrence is a best guest estimate at the time of the filling, and can be firmed up as more facts emerge. It does not have to be exact, but it should be close.
My summary of stated facts by LE are:

  • Video footage was captured in the vicinity of Boundary and Middle St of MT jogging and a black Malibu with distinctive features believed to be driven by CR following.
  • Video footage throughout town also showed black Malibu circling the streets
  • MT was abducted and killed via multiple sharp force trauma between 7:45 pm and 8:28pm on July 18th, 2018.
  • The abduction, and possibly the murder, took place on the 1900 block of 385.
  • CR at some point left her in the cornfield south of town.
  • CR is an illegal immigrant. (Added - thanks The Farm and bizzle2)
That's really all we know for certain, is that correct? Am I missing anything key?
 
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It's possible 8:28 could have been the last reading from her fitbit. I think it would have to be interpreted at corporate, though, because my fitbit app's display isn't that detailed to get down to the minutes.
Thank you. If corporate can really get details down to the minute, what a fascinating tool for LE to use to reconstruct crime.
 
My summary of stated facts by LE are:

  • Video footage was captured in the vicinity of Boundary and Middle St of MT jogging and a black Malibu with distinctive features believed to be driven by CR following.
  • Video footage throughout town also showed black Malibu circling the streets
  • MT was abducted and killed via multiple sharp force trauma between 7:45 pm and 8:28pm on July 18th, 2018.
  • The abduction, and possibly the murder, took place on the 1900 block of 385.
  • CR at some point left her in the cornfield south of town.
That's really all we know for certain, is that correct? Am I missing anything key?

You forgot that he is not who he says he is or was.
 
JMO
Good observation and I also have been intrigued by that. Seems awful convenient that he happened to come up with a story that gives him some possible defense strategies.

Re: CR's use of the excuse of 'I blocked it out".

Having been involved in the care and feeding of a liter of Sociopaths, it's what they say when they really mess up and don't want to talk about it. It's an avoidance maneuver on their part.
 
“I don’t know what’s going on,” his uncle, Eustaquio “Capi” Bahena Radilla, said in an interview Thursday conducted through an interpreter at his trailer home in Brooklyn. “I don’t know what’s happening because honestly, I know he’s a good person.”

Rivera’s father echoed his comment, saying Thursday that he believed that his son was innocent and calling reports of his confession “pure lies.”

“If he had done what they say he did, he would have come back here [to Mexico],” Eduardo Bahena Radilla, his father, said in a telephone interview from Guayabillo, a small town in Mexico. “But he’s innocent, so he didn’t run and hide.”


“He seemed calm,” Bahena said. “I didn’t sense anything was wrong.”


Around his 16th birthday, Rivera left Guayabillo to find work in the United States, his father said.

“There are no jobs here, so he left,” Bahena said, adding that his son crossed the border illegally and was undocumented in the United States.

He settled in Iowa because his uncle was already living there, Bahena said. He found work on a series of milk farms and often sent money back to his parents in Mexico.


More from his family and a friend of Mollie’s who was “friends” with CR on FB

She and Mollie were part of a chat group.

Suspect’s relatives say they’re baffled by arrest in Mollie Tibbetts case
There is a good chance, if CR left Mexico when he was 16, that he has changed in the last 7-8 years. The dad is either too proud to accept that he raised a monster, or CR just isn't the boy he remembers. I mean, he led the police to the body. The police didn't find the body first and pin it on CR. CR pinned it on himself.
 
My summary of stated facts by LE are:

  • Video footage was captured in the vicinity of Boundary and Middle St of MT jogging and a black Malibu with distinctive features believed to be driven by CR following.
  • Video footage throughout town also showed black Malibu circling the streets
  • MT was abducted and killed via multiple sharp force trauma between 7:45 pm and 8:28pm on July 18th, 2018.
  • The abduction, and possibly the murder, took place on the 1900 block of 385.
  • CR at some point left her in the cornfield south of town.
  • CR is an illegal immigrant who used a different name when getting employment through dairy farm. (Added - thanks The Farm)
That's really all we know for certain, is that correct? Am I missing anything key?

If you are sticking to facts stated by LE...the bolded has NOT been stated by LE.
 
There is a good chance, if CR left Mexico when he was 16, that he has changed in the last 7-8 years. The dad is either too proud to accept that he raised a monster, or CR just isn't the boy he remembers. I mean, he led the police to the body. The police didn't find the body first and pin it on CR. CR pinned it on himself.
Maybe there is a thread of goodness in him when he isn't stalking and preying on people. Maybe LE was able to pull at that thread a little in their interview and that's why he gave up the body. He certainly didn't have to.
 
well, lets hope they don't need that money later to help someone who is actually innocent.

They don't defend people based on their guilt or innocence. They defend civil rights. When Trump got involved, the ACLU got involved.
 
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