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I find that scary!

I'm sorry it scares you.

I don't understand why you find it so scary that a peaceful, law-abiding person is prepared to defend herself. If you saw me, you would know that there's nothing at all scary about me. I'm a 53-year-old woman with bad knees. I've never been in any sort of legal trouble. I've never even been in a fight. I help little old ladies reach stuff on the top shelf at the grocery store. I love kids and dogs.

What on earth is so scary?
 
Seriously? You want to learn more about the mindset?

A little over 10 years ago, Hurricane Charley blew through town. The eye passed by just a couple of miles from my house. No power. No running water. Almost no stores were open, and the few that were would accept only cash and had bare shelves anyway. Without phone lines, they couldn't run credit or debit cards. Of course, ATMs didn't work either. Gas pumps didn't work. Power lines down all over the place. Trees down all over the place. Houses damaged all over the place. Traffic lights and signs were all out, of course -- driving was pretty hair-raising.

We decided to drive up the interstate to my in-laws' house to borrow their generator. Before leaving, we got in our utility buggy and drove around to see our various neighbors, to see if they needed us to pick up any fuel, ice, food, or other supplies. Every last one of them said, "No, we're fine. In fact, we've got some extra _____ if you need any." (Some offered ice, some offered gas, etc.) Between the fishing & hunting and the backyard fruit & vegetable gardens, none of us lacked food even while those in town were fighting over the last loaf of bread in the store.

That's gun owners in a nutshell. We do for ourselves. And by being prepared to take care of ourselves, we're also in a position to help others in need. There was a lot of neighbor-helping-neighbor after Charley. Trees that needed to be chain-sawed & removed, houses that needed repairs.

We're realists. We know that we are our own first responders. Well-stocked first aid kit -- check. Extra food in the larder, especially during hurricane season -- check. Fire extinguisher -- check. We don't live our lives in fear of disaster, but we know that when disaster strikes, those who are prepared for it are the most likely to come through it either unscathed or with a minimum of damage. I'm not talking prepper-style living here; just the garden-variety Boy Scout attitude of "be prepared."

We know that when seconds count, the police are only minutes away. We know that if bad guys attack, the best way to stop them is with an application of equal or greater force. We know that thugs target the vulnerable and prey on the weak, and so we make sure that we are not vulnerable or weak.

We are not the people anyone needs to feel unsafe from. But we're also not the people who will be victims. We don't believe in being victims.

There, now. Do I really seem all that dangerous, just because I have guns? All of my neighbors have guns; all of them are great neighbors to have, especially in a disaster, not because of their guns but because of their mindset. Does my neighborhood really sound all that dangerous? It might be the safest neighborhood in Florida, and might well be one of the safest neighborhoods in the country.

As a fellow Floridian who has experienced Hurricane Ivan and Hurricane Dennis 10 months later, I have an entirely different perspective. After the storms, it was just how you described. Neighbor helping neighbor and that those who are prepared are better off to help others. But, it doesn't matter if you are a "gun person" or not. I'm not, but I still know how to prepare my family.

I live in the Western Panhandle, just a few miles from the AL state line, so lots of guns here. I know enough to ask parents whether they have guns in the house and how they store them before I will let my 4 DS go to someone's house. I had a neighbor that lived behind me during Ivan who's DS was good friends with my oldest DS. He was, IMO, an "unusual person" and when I asked the gun question, he told me he had several in the house -- on the counter, under the couch, in his nightstand, etc. Of course, my son couldn't go play at his house, though his son was welcome at my house.

After Ivan, he started walking around the neighborhood with a gun in a holster. Totally unnecessary, because we didn't have any violence or looting going on in our suburban town. He was a total hot-head (IMO) and once pointed his gun at another neighbor during a heated political discussion. He even made my neighbors who owned guns nervous, none of the kids in the neighborhood were allowed to play at his house. Maybe he fits your description of a "gun person?"

BTW -- my preferred beer is Corona :)
 
In 2002, where I was living at the time on the east coast of Canada, we too had a rather damaging hurricane. Similar to Charley, we lost the same conveniences. Power lines all over the place, trees covering the roads, stores closed, gas stations closed etc.. We too came together as a community, making sure our neighbours had enough water and food and other necessities. Especially after that experience, people are prepared if it happens again. But nobody was walking around carrying. I guess nobody saw the need. I doubt many even thought of the idea.
I have already said I see no problem with folks having a hunting rifle or two, if that is your thing. And if the day ever came where there was no food available for whatever reason I suppose those hunting rifles would become a hot commodity. It is just my opinion that giving free reign to citizens to carry for self defence, to the point where there are 300 million guns, is going to lead to a lot of people who are criminal and/or mentally ill with easy access. That is what I think is dangerous. And I think that danger is apparent when you look at the number of homicides by gun in America.
You always say, "maybe it is not the guns" and I always say more guns = more needless deaths. Can we both be right?
OK, maybe it is not the guns. I know what you are saying here, because if there was nobody capable of killing then there wouldn't be so many needless deaths no matter how many guns were available. But the fact is, there are many many people capable of killing, probably the same per capita rate in Canada and the US and Australia and the UK. But in the US, those people have extremely easy access and if they want to kill chances are pretty good that is what is going to happen. If I have a knife and want to kill, how good are the chances I will be able to follow through, compared to someone with the same mentality to kill, but his weapon of choice is an Uzi?
After Sandy Hook the NRA, instead of showing a little compassion and trying to work with people to prevent these crazy incidents from happening, actually had the gall to go on the offensive and suggest an armed gunman security guard. What is that about? Instead of talking about a way to keep weapons made for mass casualties out of the hands of the mentally ill and criminals, the NRA is actually suggesting it would be better to have a shootout at an elementary school between a nutcase/criminal and an armed guard?
I just don't see the logic there, other than the NRA trying to sell more guns.
I just think there is a better path to peace than arming every citizen. JMO

Those guns were stolen. I don't know what the NRA could do prevent theft.
 
I'm sorry it scares you.

I don't understand why you find it so scary that a peaceful, law-abiding person is prepared to defend herself. If you saw me, you would know that there's nothing at all scary about me. I'm a 53-year-old woman with bad knees. I've never been in any sort of legal trouble. I've never even been in a fight. I help little old ladies reach stuff on the top shelf at the grocery store. I love kids and dogs.

What on earth is so scary?

You sound like a very nice lady :) Guns scare me also, and they probably always will. LE having guns don't, but anyone else who openly carries them for no real reason do. I have no problem with peeps owning them for hunting or personal protection, but it is the "in your face" and confrontational mentality that concerns me. The Open Carry Texas folks are just downright scary and looking for a fight. IMO.

Apparently, I have a new neighbor a few houses down that is a "gun person." One of my other neighbors told me about something that happened earlier this week. She was walking past his house going to get her mail and he came out with a gun in a holster. She jokingly said, "are you going to shoot me?" This is a lady in her 70s, very petite and is one of the friendliest, nicest peeps I know. She said he took his gun out of his holster and asked her in a not nice way if she had a problem with his gun. She just said no and kept walking.

But, she made a point to tell me he scared her and to watch out for him. This is the trigger-happy mentality I don't like. IMO, JMO, and MOO.
 
Seems many of the folks in this thread will obviously NEVER move to the rural south. :)

Around here virtually everyone has guns in their home, car, and many carry. In addition they are not shy about firing them. During hunting season hearing gun shots is the norm. Small arms fire is also common as most folks target practice in their yards.

We also have a very low crime rate. No one is "intimidated" by firearms because most everyone has them. Folks don't think "Oh my god that person has a gun, they could suddenly kill me".

Guess we just aren't "paranoid" in that way.
 
Seems many of the folks in this thread will obviously NEVER move to the rural south. :)

Around here virtually everyone has guns in their home, car, and many carry. In addition they are not shy about firing them. During hunting season hearing gun shots is the norm. Small arms fire is also common as most folks target practice in their yards.

We also have a very low crime rate. No one is "intimidated" by firearms because most everyone has them. Folks don't think "Oh my god that person has a gun, they could suddenly kill me".

Guess we just aren't "paranoid" in that way.

I have the "rural south" just a few miles up the road. Gun range is 3 miles away. My next door neighbor's son is a gunsmith there. Hunting is common here, not in my neighborhood, but a few miles away. My neighbor and his son own weapons, but don't feel the need to have one on their person at all times. And they definitely do not have the confrontational mentality I've seen in others. Like I said, I don't see any need to openly carry a gun on you at all times. What is the point? JMO.
 
Like I said, I don't see any need to openly carry a gun on you at all times. What is the point? JMO.


If folks want to open carry that is fine by me. In event of a store or bank robbery those open carry folks will make for a nice diversion (they might as well carry a sign that says "Shoot Me First!") and that could provide an advantage for any CCW victims.
 
Dogs are huge issue here too. Stray dogs, loose dogs. Lots of them are aggressive in nature.

Several young children here have been mauled.

People don't always care for their animals like they should and I don't necessarily want my small dog or small child or myself as a victim.

Gun ownership isn't always because we can, there are reasons why we feel we should be prepared, and it's not always the humans we have to worry about.

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During hunting season hearing gun shots is the norm. Small arms fire is also common as most folks target practice in their yards.

We also have a very low crime rate.

We have a running joke about one of our neighbors. If we DON'T hear gunfire from over his way for a few days, that means something's wrong.

We laugh when we think about how th call to police would go: "we think there's something wrong at our neighbors - we haven't heard any gunfire lately"



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I wouldn't own an assault because I don't want to "assault" anyone, and they aren't for hunting at all.

And what's the point of parading around with guns unless it is to intimidate people? Not everyone has a warlike streak, and not everyone in the South loves guns.

And it's still kinda scary to have all these toddlers shooting people. I don't really believe in the NRA's "responsible gun owner" stereotype anymore. Google "shot foot at gun show" and you'll get alot of hits. Google "toddler shooting" and you get even more.
 
No one is claiming it's a safe world.

Masked robber shot dead by intended victim at fast-food restaurant

The intended victim, Ronald Farmer, 37, was standing by his car in the restaurant's parking lot when he was approached by an armed man wearing a ski mask and sunglasses, Concepción said. The gunman announced a robbery and instructed Farmer to drop his pants.

As Farmer began to comply, he managed to divert the robber’s attention, reached for his own gun and shot the robber, Concepción said. Farmer ran inside the Taco Bell to ask for help.

http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#section/1098/article/p2p-82529847/
 
I'm sorry it scares you.

I don't understand why you find it so scary that a peaceful, law-abiding person is prepared to defend herself. If you saw me, you would know that there's nothing at all scary about me. I'm a 53-year-old woman with bad knees. I've never been in any sort of legal trouble. I've never even been in a fight. I help little old ladies reach stuff on the top shelf at the grocery store. I love kids and dogs.

What on earth is so scary?
Yeah, and I'm a 54-year-old woman. Age has nothing to do with it. Scary is the fact that you feel a need to arm yourself in public, and I could be harmed as a result.
 
Dogs are huge issue here too. Stray dogs, loose dogs. Lots of them are aggressive in nature.

Several young children here have been mauled.

People don't always care for their animals like they should and I don't necessarily want my small dog or small child or myself as a victim.

Gun ownership isn't always because we can, there are reasons why we feel we should be prepared, and it's not always the humans we have to worry about.

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My dog was attacked a year ago in front of me and nearly killed by stray dogs. Didn't take a gun to stop the attack, I yanked the male Malamute off my dog's neck!!! The female stopped her attack.
 
Not likely, she's already stated she's in Florida. I've only set foot in the state once in life, and that was to board a cruise ship.
And you boarded without an assault rifle and a large supply of expanded clips?
Havent you heard the high seas are swarming with Pirates and whale crazy Greenpeace activists?
And the Coast Guard is totally backed by the GOVERNMENT.
What were you thinking?
 
And you boarded without an assault rifle and a large supply of expanded clips?
Havent you heard the high seas are swarming with Pirates and whale crazy Greenpeace activists?

Hey! I used to belong to Greenpeace for awhile. Can't find my old shirt. DD wanted to join, but she's too young.
 
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