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Dad flew to visit BK, but opted for an intimate drive back to PA.
What's with that?
What's with that?
the room across from the kitchen, next to the third floor steps, circled in green in your diagram is purported to be the room the surviving girl who was a witness to the male was sleeping.Whose bedroom is the one circled in green?
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Blueprints show where each Idaho student was found stabbed to death
Ok i thought she was down on first floorthe room across from the kitchen, next to the third floor steps, circled in green in your diagram is purported to be the room the surviving girl who was a witness to the male was sleeping.
Having just read the probable cause affidavit, what stood out for me is this:
"One of these occasions, on August 21,2022, the 8458 Phone utilized cellular resources providing coverage to the King Road Residence from approximately 10:34 p.m. to 11:35 p.m." (page 16)
I then checked the closing time for the Greek restaurant where Xana and Madison worked. On Saturday, August 21, the restaurant closed at 10 PM.
It's possible that Aug 21 was the beginning of the stalking, where the suspect followed one or both girls from work to their house. He was at the house 12 times in the late evening or early morning (excluding one occasion) between August and November. That's roughly four times a month, once a week.
Ethan was a guest, Kaylee had moved out, so Xana and Madison were expected to be at the house. One of the tenants who was not murdered was obviously not a target if the suspect walked past her (unless he was in a zone and didn't see her). He was in some sort of zone to leave the knife sheath on Madison's bed.
At this time, it seems like Xana and Madison were the targets, Ethan and Kaylee were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Also does the fact that D thought she heard Kaylee say there's someone in the house indicate he originally came in for peeping Tom goal of k or m and then everything escalated?? That would explain carelessness n literally parking right outside ? Obsessed intruder to just be a peeping Tom wudnt need to be as careful as preplanned murder, cud he have gone there originally to SA maybe believing x n m to be alone in their rooms
Ok i thought she was down on first floor
Okay. Apologies if this has been posted about already -- it's nearly impossible to keep up right now.
One fascinating (to me) revelation from the PCA is how clearly it indicates that LE wasn't being forthright about even those few details of the case that it chose to make public. I'm going to zero in on one "fact" that was posted repeatedly by Moscow PD: "The other roommates [meaning DM and BF] did not wake up until later that morning." (I''m quoting from memory here.)
After reading the PCA, it's clear that this was a blatantly misleading statement. DM was both an ear witness and an eye witness! And in no way did she sleep through the killings, which is what was implied. (IIRC, E's mother softly contradicted this, alluding to the fact that the girls downstairs had heard something. Now we know what she was referring to.)
I'm not outraged that LE lied about this -- I completely understand why they would have felt this was the safer thing to do rather than drawing attention to the fact that one of the survivors could potentially help ID the killer.
However, and here is my point and my questions to my fellow WebSleuths : What other details might have deliberately misrepresented in initial reports/LE communications? And why?
I can't tell you how many times I have heard defense attorneys use that old saying "do you think my client (maybe he is a CEO or a professor- or whatever), would be stupid enough to _______ " whatever stupid thing the defendant did--- Yes, murderers do stupid things that get them caught all the time and defense attorneys use that time worn excuse all the time- or "he was framed"- I do not believe either of those defenses will fly- for example, in the case of Scott Peterson: would the killer be stupid enough to dump his wife's body in the area where he said he went fishing ? well guess what, that is exactly what he did! I don't recall if the defense presented that question to the jury.I really hope the DNA evidence they have is more than what is disclosed in the PCA. For me right now, the strongest convicting points are the phone and car movements. It would be so easy for his defense team to argue that someone with his knowledge wouldn’t be stupid enough to leave a sheath behind knowing his DNA could be there. So they can say he was framed. I don’t know how they can explain the stalking and odd phone and car behavior though since June.
so did we all, until the affidavitOk i thought she was down on first floor
D.M. stated she originally went to sleep in her bedroom ou the southeast side ofthe
seoond floor. D.M. stated she was awoken at approximately 4:00 a-m. by what she stated
sounded like Goncalves playing wilh her dog in one of the upstairs bedmoms, which were
located on the third floor. A short time latil, D.M. said she heard who she thought was
Goncalves say something to the effect of"tlrere's someone here." A review ofrecords obtained
from a forensic download ofKemodle's phoae slrowed this could also have been Kemodle as her
cellular phone indicated she was likely awake and using the TikTok app at approximately 4:12
a.m-
D.M. stat€d she looked out of her bedroom but did not see mything when she heard the
comment about someone being in the house. D,M. staGd she opened her door a second time
when slre heard what she thought was crying coming from Kemodle's room. D.M. then said she
heard a male voice say something to the effect of "it's ok, I'm going to help you."
At approximately 4:17 a"m., a security camera located at I 112 King Road, a residence
irunediately to the northwest of 1122 King Road, picked up distorted audio ofwhat sounded like
voices or a r,rrhimper followed by a loud thud. A dog can also be heard barking numerous times
starting at 4:17 a-m. The security carnera is less than fifty feet from the west wall ofKernodle's
bedroom.
D.M. shted she oper.ed her door for the third time after she heard the crying and mw a
figue clad in black clothing and a mask that covered the person's mouth and nose walking
towards her. D.M. described the figure as 5' I 0" or taller, male, not very muscular, but
athletically built with bushy eyebws. The male walked past D.M. as she stood in a "frozen
shock phase." The male walked towards the back stding glass door. D.M. locked herself in her
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rcom after seeing the male. D.M. did not stete that slrc recognized the male.
Yes it must be DM’s room as he would have exited via the rear balcony directly opposite that roomthe room across from the kitchen, next to the third floor steps, circled in green in your diagram is purported to be the room the surviving girl who was a witness to the male was sleeping.
I wish we could have seen his expression when he realized he left it behind. It must have been agonizing wondering whether or not LE would be able to develop a profile.This guy would have been found even without the sheath
You're right - my mistake. I had the layout rotated in my head.the room across from the kitchen, next to the third floor steps, circled in green in your diagram is purported to be the room the surviving girl who was a witness to the male was sleeping.
Imagine driving your own vehicle, bringing your cell phone, bringing a unique knife with a sheath and then leaving the sheath behind, and then having a witness that can put you at the murder scene.I would love to have seen the look on his face when he realized he left the sheath behind. Imagine driving away thinking you’re a mastermind who committed the perfect crime, reaching down to put the knife away and… the cover is gone. Priceless.
IMO, the dirty car exterior means nothing.Just think of how many times he unsnapped that sheath so he could practice and play with that knife. He goes to all the trouble to stalk, disguise himself, break into the house, carry out a frenzy of murder, walk casually past a living witness...and leave that sheath behind?
What a dope.
I also took note of his car. For a guy who supposedly has OCD, it was a filthy mess on the outside. This guy apparently has selective OCD. He's a slob. I'll bet the forensics guys who are autopsying his car are finding all kinds of evidence.
I think it's DM's room. The bathroom mentioned being by X's room, where LE could see her body, was the only bathroom on that level, so the bedroom by the third floor steps had to be DM's. Jmo.Whose bedroom is the one circled in green?
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Blueprints show where each Idaho student was found stabbed to death
Was this information you got from the affidavit? If so, I don't know if it was clear that Murphy was with Kaylee, only that he was heard barking. Also, I didn't see that the crying was specifically a male, only that the statement along the lines of "I will help you" was a male voice. Could this have been Ethan? Would the roommate have clarified it was Ethan or an "unknown male"? In my mind, I would like to believe that it was Ethan comforting Xana and not this deranged killer.If we look at only the information available to the surviving roommate, she knows only that:
1) Kaylee was with her dog.
2) A man was crying in X's room saying something along the lines of "I will help you"
3) A man with bushy eyebrows walks past her room and out the door wearing some type of mask.
She knows nothing, as far as we know, of stabs, blood, deaths, any violent crime, cell towers, DNA, cameras, Elantras, or a knife sheath. As far as she would know at that time, the man in the mask could have been the food delivery guy.