ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 59

[newredtabby]

I said sliding glass door not KITCHEN sliding glass door.

The witness does mention a sliding glass door but maybe he did not go through it but I don't see why not.

She told police the figure was 5-foot-10 or taller and a male who was “not very muscular but athletically built.” The man the roommate saw, she said, also had “bushy eyebrows.” As the witness stood in a “frozen shock phase,” the man walked toward the back SLIDING GLASS DOOR, and she locked herself in her room. She said she did not recognize him.

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The sliding glass door IS the kitchen sliding glass door. It's the only sliding glass door on the 2nd floor. The point was that the witness DID NOT see the perp leave through the door. We can infer that's how they left, but there is no known (to us) witness that saw that happen.

 

[steeltowngirl]

Brian Entin Interview with Alivea Goncalves, sister of Kaylee.

Goncalves’ sister: ‘True evil’ was watching Idaho victims

Alivea Goncalves, sister of Idaho victim Kaylee Goncalves, spoke out for the first time since suspect Bryan Kohberger was arrested.

www.newsnationnow.com

 

[elainebenice]

Want to be really scared? It's not just LE...

Nope. I've used them in divorce cases

 

[chipwhitley]

Can someone please explain how the VS forum was found/ linked to BK in the first place? I’m totally confused on this.
TIA.

I believe someone googled his email address and the posts came up in the search results.

 

[Ladyotm]

I respectfully disagree. I do think it resembles him.

Looks like Jamie from the Progressive insurance videos to me. I do believe BK was at a vigil and probably had a radio scanner /app trying to hear anything and everything. Including police's initial response to the murders.

 

[Bhodie]

If there was enough light to identify bushy eyebrows, mask height and build, one would think you would see a big totally bloodied knife unsheathed and bloodied person after 4 murders some that fought back.

Would definitely be blood on floors and other places you eould think

If he was in all black I doubt she would see any blood on the clothes and he may have stuck the knife in his pocket. We assume he had on some sort of scary mask but in reality she just said it covered his nose and mouth. That could be a balaclava, any sort of winter covering for the nose, face neck or even a Covid cloth mask, we just don't know. She may have been startled and freaked out that time of early morning but there is no reason for her to immediately jump to the conclusion that her roommates had been murdered. She may have thought there was some weird guy that one of her roommates had over. By all accounts there were parties and Im sure there were unknown people in and out of there from time to time. That time of the early morning hour may have been odd so she was startled but I don't believe for a moment she thought a killer was in the home.

 

[Cindizzi]

 

[vls12345]

The stairs go up right against her room. How can a big guy be going up and down wood stairs fairly swiftly and not make noise.

Vans have kind of soft, rubbery soles so maybe he could walk quietly? MOO.

Eta: Plus, DM was probably used to a certain amount of noise sice she had roommates and wasn't expecting to hear a murderer, so maybe she didn't notice the sound of someone going up/downstairs or attributed it to a roommate going up or down?

 

[John Book]

See:

If this was a teenage kohberger, it looks like he was spending WAY too much time on the 'net.

He probably should've been WAY more involved in athletics (or some physical fitness program); or a part-time job at McDonalds; or hiking/skiing there in the Pocono mountains; or doing some type of community service/volunteering, etc.

16 and 17-year-old kids shouldn't be spending hours and hours on the 'net playing amateur psychologists or obsessing over food and "detox diets".

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[NCgardener]

The stairs go up right against her room. How can a big guy be going up and down wood stairs fairly swiftly and not make noise.

I think he practiced stealth. I thought originally the perp would have had breaking and entering charges. He still might have "practiced" by breaking in places and was just never caught.

 

[Bhodie]

The test can tell whether it's blood or spit or semen or---> skin cells.

Just saying. So no, he can't claim he bled on it if it's touch DNA, etc. He has to explain his DNA without knowing what LE knows at this point time - because it is his DNA.

Dartboard time.

But does he really have to explain it? The burden of proof is on the prosecution and the defense team can just poke holes in their evidence and not explain a thing. I'm sure one of their courses of action is to say he had been at their parties before. Who could disprove that? They apparently were not home the one time the police showed up for the noise complaint. There were a lot of people in and out of there. There was a lot of drinking going on. That would certainly be a good way to explain a prior presence in the house. I like that they have the sheath with DNA but I hope they have more.

 

[turaj]

I think it may mean she went to sleep again at some point after he left, which makes sense to me for several reasons, even though I can understand why some people would question whether someone could go back to sleep after witnessing what she witnessed. It also helps explain the delay in calling 911. I think it was probably poor wording on the part of the writer, but there's always a possibility she went downstairs at some point to the other roommates bedroom and stayed with her for the rest of the night. For some reason I don't think that's the case and that she remained in her room until right before 911 was called.

which one of them actually called 911? I have not heard that detail.

 

[Jbaileetaxes]

The reality is that it would be totally legit if anyone in her situation would lick herself in the room because she was terrified he would come to her. I wouldn’t want to open my door ever. Only if I got ahold of someone first or heard someone else like other roommate. It makes me feel so bad for her. She could have been there for hours horrified afraid to call police. I have no idea what I would fo

 

[otto]

I have a new question.... (and sorry if this has already been brought up & discussed)

Does anyone have any idea what records from DM & BF's phones led LE to believe the time of death within that 25 min window??

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122922 Affidavit - Exhibit A - Statement of Brett Payne.pdf | PDF Host

Phone records of the two roommates might prove that they were both at home. Did D.M. check her phone after checking the bedroom door twice? The timeline seems tight without phone records of the two survivors.

• 4:04 a.m. he was driving near the house
• D.M. woke up to what she thought was Kaylee and the dog
• D.M. heard some say: there's someone here
• 4:12 a.m. Xana was awake and alive
• 4:17 a.m. loud thud, barking dog
• D.M. saw him leaving house

 

[NCgardener]

Right? With the stolen panties? But that was in March, so no. It is why those neighbors got the camera (imo). The cop suggested it because of the attempted car theft.

I keep thinking about the body cam of the neighbor who reported something about her car. Like a door was left open or… I really cannot remember and cannot seem to find it. She said nothing was missing. A shoe print was left on her car, I believe. Could this have been BK? I’m curious now but I would like to watch it again because I’m not sure if I’m remembering it correctly. All IMO.

 

[Ahhtopsy]

I’m not new been a long time lurker but had to contribute to this thread. I was rewatching an old video interview of Xana Kernodle’s Mom conducted by Ashleigh Banfield from Newsnation on YouTube full interview edition, which was posted roughly about a month ago for those who want to search for it.

This was before we found out about BK being a suspect. During this interview Mom briefly mentions Xana’s sibling Jasmine who also attended WSU.

Thought this was coincidence. Do you think BK knew her? Thoughts?

 

[dannlarusso]

I think he practiced stealth. I thought originally the perp would have had breaking and entering charges. He still might have "practiced" by breaking in places and was just never caught.

This reminds me of the suspicions that anyone who killed with a knife must certainly be an ex-military hunter with butchery experience and did volunteer work at a blood bank to be comfortable "pulling off" such a series of murders.

Do you need to have practiced breaking and entering to pull off a quiet, stealthy movement around a house? Don't most people stealthily move around their family home growing up as soon as parents to go bed to grab snacks in the middle of the night?

It's going to come out in the trial, and have all of these questions cleared up as to the order of murders and (I believe) the placement of bodies will paint the picture of what went down.


I posted this yesterday, but considering we still only have an affidavit to work off, I think it's worth developing this:

To establish a clearer chain of events than how it is described in the affidavit, would be to outline events and REMOVE Dylan's account entirely, listing the events that can be corroborated by solid verifiable digital receipts, etc. For example, the 4:00am DoorDash delivery and Xana's TicToc usage at around 4:17am.

Next you would include time of the final return of the Elantra sighting on cameras, along with the security camera sound capture that picked up the thud and "whimper", and the final post-murder Elantra exit.

Once you have this outline, add in what the affidavit details is Dylan's account of the night. Considering she would be recalling events from a very traumatised memory (not to mention she was likely drunk and very tired.. and human without an inbuilt digital clock), it may make it easier to piece together what she may have actually heard versus what she THOUGHT she was hearing and from whom at specific times.

As an example, there's no mention of Dylan hearing Xana take delivery of the DoorDash order at the time she says she thought she heard K playing with Murphy - especially considering Xana would have either answered the front door on the bottom floor, OR the DoorDash order specified delivery to the second floor sliding door. Hearing the line "there's someone here" may also refer to the DoorDash driver arriving as well, with K potentially saying this out loud if the driver knocked?

 

[kittythehare]

As the poster whose 20 yo son has been dealing with severe visual snow issues and the disassociation caused by it for over 2 years now (they haven't gone away, he's just learned to accept and adjust), I'd like to clear up a few things. I have done so much reading on this topic and talked to so many therapists, doctors, and specialists about this. IMHO, IMO, JMHO, and all the alphabet soup.

1) I AM IN NO WAY SAYING THAT IF BK HAD VISUAL SNOW/DEPERSONALIZATION (and the associated issues that can come with it, not to mention the things the person in those Tapatalk posts is mentioning), THAT IT EXCUSES HIS ACTIONS. Nor is it his "motive." If this information is true and it is BK and BK is the murderer (IMHO, yes), what it CAN do is help create a better picture of the person who committed these acts especially if this is something he was dealing with for nearly 10 years during his formative preteen and teenage years.

2) I am in no way saying that if BK is the murderer, and these are his posts, and he did have all these issues going on, that the death penalty shouldn't be applied. BK clearly has the ability to determine right from wrong--even if not internally, his field of studies spells it out quite clearly in all his textbooks and the severity of the crime + the planning that went into it make it (IMHO) an appropriate consequence.

3) With the symptoms that the person writing those Tapatalk posts is describing, it becomes a chicken and egg situation--did the poster have medical or mental health issues that were causing/contributing to the visual snow and depersonalization or was the visual snow causing the DP and the other mental health issues? Or were they coexisting without being causal to each other?

things that can be linked with visual snow (from my research and what my son's doctors have told me): migraines (both stereotypical and visual migraines), result of long term or sudden high frequency use of LSD or marijuana (HPPD, which is technically it's own diagnosis), hyperexcitability of the visual cortex, schizophrenia, auto-immune disorders, and "unknown."

4) Because most of the time doctors can't find the cause for a patient's visual snow, testing is varied and treatment is throwing spaghetti against the wall and hoping something works. And it usually doesn't. My son had a sleep study, MRI, neuropsych exam, blood work, in depth eye blood vessel exams, etc. Treatments we tried were medications to reduce lateral eye twitch speed, Gabapentin, anti depressants, and anti anxiety meds. He did DBT, CBT, and transcranial magnetic stimulation (which was also for medication resistant depression). No real improvement from any of these.

If this is BK, and if he did have this disorder, and if things were this bad for him at that young of an age for as long as it was, I sure can feel compassion for him having to endure that. That doesn't mean that I feel compassion for the choices he made. And if my son (heaven forbid) were to commit a criminal act right now, he knows that I'd be the first one on the phone to call the police. And the first to hold him accountable. And I'd be in court making sure his legal rights as determined by a court of a law and state/constitutional were being upheld and that if found guilty, I would 100% accept it.

thanks so much for your most informative post.
I agree with every word you say.
I'm so sorry you have been unable to find catharsis for your son and I sincerely hope you get a break soon.
It's so difficult to live with that strain.

Thing with bK though is that while I acknowledge the condition is real, I'm not at all sure it was real for Bk and that he didn't merely identify with a condition he studied and went through a pattern of transference.
We have speculated that he may have over identified with one of the killers he studied to produce a condition in himself whereby he became so subsumed in them that actual transference occurred and he became that thing.
It seems he was searching for an identity, any identity.

It's early days, too early to tell.

 

[Ladyotm]

I wonder why it was sooo easy for the perp to sneak through the sliding door.
What was wrong with it?

I thought for the owners of the house security of the renters should be priority - alarm, sturdy locks, ring camera.

JMO

It's likely the door was unlocked.

 

[TheNile]

Can someone please explain how the VS forum was found/ linked to BK in the first place? I’m totally confused on this.
TIA.

A person found email addresses from BCK that are linked to him by high school records or similar (according to HTC I believe).

Then, they went and looked at old social media like TapATalk which some of us remember. He was posting on a health related forum where the topic was a certain neurological condition.

The details check out.

Lots of SM sites allow you to search for users using their email address, I believe this was how it was done, IIRC.
ETA: Here's the link to the HTC vid!
Moo!