ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

[Strong1]

Does anyone think that he had been in the house before? Maybe during a random party? If not, maybe he got the house layout from a real estate website?

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

Or...

By all reports Kaylee 'just moved out' of the house. Which is in contradiction to everyone's assumption that she had left the year prior. I'm trying to find a date but I've seen others implying it was only a matter of a week or two and a lot of her stuff was still there.

Bryan could have very well have been targeting her. Following one of them on Instagram under a fake account. Thought she had left for good. And when he saw that Kaylee was in town for the night he decided to set his plan into action.

Possibly. May have seen that last post by Kaylee. Saw her with the roommates and concluded that she would be at the house.

My gut tells me it was Maddie though. We'll find out eventually but it may take some time.

 

[10ofRods]

Didn't SG hire a PI? If the PI found out and SG told the media, I would. MOO.

Did he? I've only heard that he hired a lawyer, never a PI. I must have missed that.

A criminal defense lawyer, which surprised me, as I would have thought he'd get a civil attorney. But he does have an attorney.

 

[schooling]

But how does he know K is now driving the range rover that she bought the day before? If he's been stalking her for awhile, he connects her to her old car not the range rover.

I think he was after Maddie. Ran into her at her job and became fixated on her. Saw her name on the receipt or name tag. Didn't know her last name.

I wonder what a google search of "Maddie,Moscow Idaho " before the murders pulled up. Would that have pulled up Maddie's instagram or facebook? Maddie isn't a common name and neither is Xana or Kaylee. That's the problem I have with all these unique names. So easy to find somebody without their last names.

It seems like you can blend in more with a traditional name like Kim, Lisa, Laura, Mary. If you have a traditional name, somebody needs to take that extra step of finding your last name in order to stalk you.

I don't think he needed to know. I think he had access to one their instagrams via a fake account (if they were private anyway).

If he had access to that he likely saw that she partially moved out, and was headed to Austin where he'd never be able to get her. So on her Instagram he saw that she was back in town for the game. So he rushed his plan into action, headed that way when bars closed. Thinking it might be his last chance.

It could explain the illogical boldness for all that we know. Taking his car. Taking his phone. The clumsy parking straight out of a dark comedy. The dropped sheath. Not knowing Ethan was there. Seemed kind of rushed.

Also, pop this into Google and you'll have your answer. Copy and paste from the first quotation all the way to the last 3. I didn't check. I'll let you do the honors

"Maddie" +Moscow +Idaho Before:2022-11-13

The quotations marks means only give me pages with the word Maddie. The plus signs say out of those pages prioritize the ones that include the words moscow and idaho. and the before says do not give me pages that were published on or after this date. You'll get some articles related to the murder in there still because the way news agencies handle their article suggestions and manipulate google for SEO purposes.

Search operators are Google's best kept secret.

Edit: Just saw your other post. My younger sister is convinced it was Maddie too.

 

[layer]

Which is why we're asking, since you went through them, how far apart are they time-stamped? You agree the posts exist, right? Is it impossible for someone to have written 34 short-ish posts on their phone in one day? Within how many hours? Spaced out or clustered?

While driving?

12/15/2022, 10:34:30 PM
12/15/2022, 10:31:47 PM
12/15/2022, 6:17:34 PM
12/15/2022, 6:03:02 PM
12/15/2022, 5:48:01 PM
12/15/2022, 4:59:18 PM
12/15/2022, 4:56:55 PM
12/15/2022, 4:54:13 PM
12/15/2022, 4:51:00 PM
12/15/2022, 4:34:17 PM
12/15/2022, 4:33:55 PM
12/15/2022, 4:30:54 PM
12/15/2022, 4:30:25 PM
12/15/2022, 4:28:30 PM
12/15/2022, 4:25:27 PM
12/15/2022, 12:41:27 PM
12/15/2022, 11:28:51 AM
12/15/2022, 11:23:18 AM
12/15/2022, 11:02:00 AM
12/15/2022, 10:34:45 AM
12/15/2022, 10:31:04 AM
12/15/2022, 10:27:06 AM
12/15/2022, 10:21:15 AM
12/15/2022, 9:18:16 AM
12/15/2022, 9:08:09 AM
12/15/2022, 8:59:32 AM
12/15/2022, 8:58:05 AM
12/15/2022, 8:48:11 AM
12/15/2022, 8:34:13 AM
12/15/2022, 2:10:56 AM
12/15/2022, 2:03:43 AM
12/15/2022, 1:49:59 AM
12/15/2022, 1:27:52 AM
12/15/2022, 12:45:47 AM

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

I thought of Reverse Image Search. Well before the murders, there were TikToks of Kaylee and Maddie, as well as their Insta content. In Week 1 (Days 2-4) of this tragedy, those pictures were still up (with various captions) and they came up if a person typed in University of Idaho girls (within the top 50 results, along with other girls, but K and M did have a few popular posts, with comments, etc. that pushed them to the top of U of ID girl search results, IMO). And that makes sense as they were both marketing students.

At any rate, the way young men search for women (IME) is usually by image and not by name. Which turns up their name, pretty quick. IOW, all those other people who had tagged or used Kaylee and Maddie's and Xana's images would have led the search results, image-wise and led right to their Instagrams. Quickly. It kind of seems to be the whole point.

Wow that's crazy. If people are hell bent on finding you, they'll find you. That's why it's important to have proper home security these days. Lights on, proper locks, video coverage, alarm. If a gun isn't for you, have some bear spray and a knife in your drawer or under your pillow. It's more important now than it's ever been.

I live in a decent neighborhood and it floors me how many lights are off. Complacency abounds.

 

[10ofRods]

Regarding your first point about Kaylee's new car. Do we know if she posted anything about it on her social media accounts? If so and he was following her social accounts, he would have known about the car. MOO

The wild card is TikTok. TikTok stories disappear after 24 hours (that's the story form, I think there are other forms).

Anyway, people constantly screenshot videos and keep them to show to others, so while TikTok no longer has them, other people do. It's a hobby some people have. Entire subreddits are built around it.

TikTok videos tend to go in a flurry (first post; disappears after 24 hours but creates wave of followers/friends/fans who repost, etc).

 

[10ofRods]

While driving?

12/15/2022, 10:34:30 PM
12/15/2022, 10:31:47 PM
12/15/2022, 6:17:34 PM
12/15/2022, 6:03:02 PM
12/15/2022, 5:48:01 PM
12/15/2022, 4:59:18 PM
12/15/2022, 4:56:55 PM
12/15/2022, 4:54:13 PM
12/15/2022, 4:51:00 PM
12/15/2022, 4:34:17 PM
12/15/2022, 4:33:55 PM
12/15/2022, 4:30:54 PM
12/15/2022, 4:30:25 PM
12/15/2022, 4:28:30 PM
12/15/2022, 4:25:27 PM
12/15/2022, 12:41:27 PM
12/15/2022, 11:28:51 AM
12/15/2022, 11:23:18 AM
12/15/2022, 11:02:00 AM
12/15/2022, 10:34:45 AM
12/15/2022, 10:31:04 AM
12/15/2022, 10:27:06 AM
12/15/2022, 10:21:15 AM
12/15/2022, 9:18:16 AM
12/15/2022, 9:08:09 AM
12/15/2022, 8:59:32 AM
12/15/2022, 8:58:05 AM
12/15/2022, 8:48:11 AM
12/15/2022, 8:34:13 AM
12/15/2022, 2:10:56 AM
12/15/2022, 2:03:43 AM
12/15/2022, 1:49:59 AM
12/15/2022, 1:27:52 AM
12/15/2022, 12:45:47 AM

You're a treasure!

I see clusters. I don't know what their travel style might have been but if someone is posting in the comfort of their own home (pretending to be BK), they sure do 1) stay up late and 2) post in clusters.

(As many of us do). The first posts are at the bottom of the list (early morning - like 1 am, it starts), then off to bed by 2 am, right? Then up early for some posting until just after noon, then a big break.

Do you know the timezones here? It would be fascinating to figure out exactly when the traffic stops were (if possible) and see where they fall here.

But if we pretend it's Bryan and Dad, then Dad drives in the morning (makes sense), after lunch, Bryan takes over and drives until it's time for gas/dinner (about 4 hours, as many as 280 miles). Then, Dad drives again and then they go to bed?

For all of you who have said how nice it is for Dad to fly out to drive with him and that your dad did similar things, did your dad actually offer to drive?

Some of us had dads (or moms) who insisted on driving as much as possible, others did not. My dad would have driven quite a bit of the route, no question about it.

Thank you, layer - this is an interesting topic for us to do our own sleuthing and try to figure out.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

I find this very interesting as well. Made me think back to college which was a very long time again.

MOO-

During my undergrad in my micro or genetics lab (one of the two, most likely genetics)..we did do finger prick and oral swab general test on ourselves.. to learn how to take the sample and apply properly to the slides and to practice on the microscope in identifying certain cellular structure… cellular/genetic markers /looked to see if any of us had a bacterial or viral infection etc.. mainly really basic stuff. To practice/learn more.. learn really how to actually properly use the microscope and properly read samples. Not just the pre-made sample/stain slides with perfect samples on the them.

In a physics lab (I think it was physics but honestly cannot remember… let’s just say another lab).. we gave one another lie detector tests. Learned how to operate the machines, how they worked and how to administer the tests.

My point is… these tests were done in house in a college student setting. - our results did not get uploaded to any major database..And this was year two college level courses. Not masters or PHD program.

I can easily see how in a phd or masters level graduate program in criminology there would be classes on genetic / genealogical/ dna identification of victims and perpetrators. I’d be shocked if there wasn’t such a class in the curriculum. This is something most with criminal justice degrees would need to be well educated in due to the fact it is used by LE / lawyers in crimes across the country. More and more everyday.

Who’s to say Desales or WSU didn’t have such a class where as part of the genetic/criminology class students participated in an ancestral dna sample project. In order to further their understanding of the tests and how they can use these tests to catch criminals or in identifying suspects or even victims. In real life they would not themselves be administering the tests but they would need to know in depth how they work and how they are done in order to maximize success rates in the use of genetics/DNA in the field. Which is why I would think it’s possible BK took the ancestry DNA test himself in such a class for his PHD. (MOO)… If I had to guess where they would receive the most in-depth education on this in a university setting… it would be by Partnering with biogenetics students/professor at the university and have a lab attached to this genetic profiling course im hypothesizing about… this professor would go over the scientific education end of everything and as part of the class he may suggest to give them their own ancestral dna tests… allowing each student to review their results and learn first hand how those results were obtained. Fully explain the break down of dna samples/identification markers they look for.. which samples are best for their line of work… etc.

All could have been done in house in the university.

No national database to connect to.

To me…. This would explain why BK was excited about learning about his ancestry and excited to tell the first person he saw (the neighbor) all about it because it was one more thing he was now fully educated in and could flaunt his intelligence in. BK seems to really like to learn as much as he can about criminology and this was probably a good day for him.

We know very little about BK… but from my own opinion/observation.. Ive read and watched many interviews with others who interacted with him and knew him and many of them say… he had very little emotion in interactions with others except when he was displaying/showing off his intelligence..or upset. he seemed to have more emotions in his tone and expressions/confidence when he was discussing things he was very knowledgeable in, Knowing the other person was not as well educated in that certain topic. Which to me helps explain the random convo with the neighbor about his ancestry/dna news.

I mean I know it’s a stretch…. But I’m still trying to figure out why I was a sophomore in college reviewing my own blood / saliva under an ancient microscope and why I was learning how to give lie detector tests in physics labs and how to give those tests and operate the testing machine… I am assuming it was my university and professors wanting us to have a thorough broad knowledge of the courses I was taking.

Which is why…. Maybe my thought on…criminology PHD’s having to take a genetic profiling class with a possible lab to where they learned how the tests are done and got to do theirs as a perk/add on lesson…. In house school project dna test …… maybe its not that big of a stretch?!!..

I mean I could be way off and just wasted anyone who actually read this long posts time….

But anyone who did… specifically those who are graduate / PHD criminology students… Have you ever had to take a genetic profiling course to help you further understand the tests being used to your professional advantage once you graduate?

any other college students or graduates ever do in house genetic / blood tests on yourselves?

Again.

All MOO - sorry it’s so wordy.

Ive just read many posts tonight’s on the new the neighbor genetic test discussion and all of a sudden people are wondering if the LE statement on the arrest coming from a familial DNA sample is accurate…. Etc. confusion in general now if BK himself took a national database DNA test on his ancestry.

Personally I am trusting of LE in such a high profile case. I feel like it would be unwise to state that they made the match on a relative in the database and not him if he was actually in there.. So im choosing to believe either he took the test in a non-national database scenario , possibly in a class assignment…. Or the company he took his test with is smaller and didn’t link to the larger corporation his aunts was found on initially. Or…. He’s just a lunatic making strange small talk with his neighbor to feel him out or add to his mystery.

Again, Cannot stress this enough. All - MOO

I love your post.
I agree with a lot of what you say.
I did Biotechnology for two years, and studied a combination of both microbiology and genetics as well as a lot more.
JMO.
He may have had his dad's DNA tested as a gift, registered and did all the doings for the test, and controlled the account, maybe even uploading his paternal DNA to GEDmatch or the like. He may have thought he was pretty safe using his dad's DNA to search ancestry without giving up his own DNA?

All JMO

MOO

 

[EBW321]

IF it is the case that he submitted his own DNA to GEDMatch, I will be amazed. I won't bet even one lunch that he did, though.

I think he had submitted to either 23andme or Ancestry (I will bet lunch money that it was 23) it might result in some reporters misunderstanding and thinking he'd submitted to an open source site.

It does raise questions. Not legal ones, other kinds of questions.

If it is true that he submitted to either 23 or A, that's amazing. And gives me so much more insight into his inner world.

MOO- I am with you. I will be shocked if he did submit is DNA to a national well known database. SHOCKED… especially if it was in the last 6 months.

I believe if he did submit it with an online order kit…. There has to be something more to it. Especially within weeks of committing these murders… Does not add up.

 

[schooling]

I had to update my search operator knowledge! haven't used them in at least a decade. This is as close as you're going to get to rolling back time

The search below returns Maddie's Instagram as #1

"madison" AND may AND mogen instagram before:2022-11-13

results are the same with no 'instagram'. Facebook is a close 2nd.

"madison" AND may AND mogen before:2022-11-13

Remove 'may' and it's still #1 Instagram

"madison" AND mogen instagram before:2022-11-13

If you use 'Maddie' it falls off the front page completely. Which makes sense because she uses "Madison" on her Instagram. But her Facebook appears as number 3.

Again, Google makes no attempt to preserve the state of the web on those dates. It's basically just the publishing date. So not totally accurate And since companies go back and update old page with new content to make sure they continue to rise in rankings...the results are going to be skewed.

But you'll see that even today, you're not getting her Instagram unless you almost type out her entire name.

 

[wary]

Regarding your first point about Kaylee's new car. Do we know if she posted anything about it on her social media accounts? If so and he was following her social accounts, he would have known about the car. MOO

I had the impression from things her mother said that she wanted to surprise her friends. However, once having surprised her close friends with it, I’d think that she might well have posted about it on social media, so everyone ELSE could know about it.

Pure speculation on my part

 

[Boxer]

If that theory is true--and it could be--then BK would have had knowledge of her plans. That suggests there was some link between them--some route for information to travel.

That's the big question. How did BK know it was his last chance? Some have suggested he planted listening devices in the house--he would have had ample opportunity during any of their parties--but MOO, the type of bug required to transmit audio to a receiver in a nearby car, are pricey. MOO.

Is there a go-between person? Did BK know one of the other home's residents?

All interesting questions.

MOO I think it so unlikely that some random older male was at a party in their house. Frat and Sorority parties aren’t open.

 

[Nova]

My Opinion Only. It's to distinguish speculation from fact. You can also use the more standard IMO, but there's something about MOO that I find quite enchanting.

I'll grant you "enchanting", but is it necessary (most of the time)?

If we post with speculative language--I think, IIRC, perhaps, maybe, subjunctive mood ("If she were", etc.)--isn't that sufficient?

I'm honestly asking. If I post something that isn't general knowledge and I can't cite to a WS-approved authority, isn't it a given that what I post is merely my opinion, or even less, pure speculation?

Some posters--I don't mean you, Zella--seem to think inserting "MOO" at random in a post fixes something, but if one is posting with emphatic declarations that sound like facts, I don't understand how MOO changes things.

 

[Observant-ADHD-ENFP-BSc]

MOO- I am with you. I will be shocked if he did submit is DNA to a national well known database. SHOCKED… especially if it was in the last 6 months.

I believe if he did submit it with an online order kit…. There has to be something more to it. Especially within weeks of committing these murders… Does not add up.

What if it was his father's DNA he submitted?
MOO

 

[SophieRose]

The family of the victims has rights too. They should be able to attend that trial and moving it to a place difficult for the family et al to attend is cumbersome

Here's what happened in the Scott Peterson trial, see below. I think also family wanted it in Northern California, so they could go back home on weekends, believe some stayed in the Bay Area during week. Modesto was less than two hours from Redwood City.IMO

Peterson trial moved to San Mateo County

The judge presiding over the murder case against Scott Peterson moved the trial to San Mateo County on Tuesday.

www.nbcnews.com

Judge Al Girolami ruled earlier this month that the trial had to be moved out of Modesto to make sure Peterson got a fair trial in the slaying of his wife, Laci, and unborn son.

Four counties had offered to host the trial, and the judge picked San Mateo County, situated south of San Francisco. Girolami had said he wanted a county close enough to Modesto that witnesses could drive there.

 

[layer]

It would be fascinating to figure out exactly when the traffic stops were (if possible) and see where they fall here.

Traffic stops are also time-stamped, 10:42AM first one, 3:50PM second one. BK driving both times.

 

[jepop]

DBM: sorry wrong post!

 

[acutename]

You're a treasure!

I see clusters. I don't know what their travel style might have been but if someone is posting in the comfort of their own home (pretending to be BK), they sure do 1) stay up late and 2) post in clusters.

(As many of us do). The first posts are at the bottom of the list (early morning - like 1 am, it starts), then off to bed by 2 am, right? Then up early for some posting until just after noon, then a big break.

Do you know the timezones here? It would be fascinating to figure out exactly when the traffic stops were (if possible) and see where they fall here.

But if we pretend it's Bryan and Dad, then Dad drives in the morning (makes sense), after lunch, Bryan takes over and drives until it's time for gas/dinner (about 4 hours, as many as 280 miles). Then, Dad drives again and then they go to bed?

For all of you who have said how nice it is for Dad to fly out to drive with him and that your dad did similar things, did your dad actually offer to drive?

Some of us had dads (or moms) who insisted on driving as much as possible, others did not. My dad would have driven quite a bit of the route, no question about it.

Thank you, layer - this is an interesting topic for us to do our own sleuthing and try to figure out.

just looked up the traffic stops- 10:41 and 10:50 a.m. IN time- no idea what Reddit does wih time zones

Bryan Kohberger: Idaho murder suspect stopped in Indiana​

https://fox59.com › indiana-news › police-in-indiana-st...




Jan 3, 2023 — Indiana State Police then confirmed that Kohberger was pulled over less than 10 minutes later at approximately 10:50 a.m. for speeding. ISP said ...

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  Bryan Kohberger video shows traffic stop in Indiana ... - Fox 59​

  https://fox59.com › indiana-news › video-shows-indian...
  
  

Jan 4, 2023 — The stop happened around 10:41 a.m. on Dec. 15, according to body camera footage provided by the sheriff's office.

 

[Dre]

Does anyone think that he had been in the house before? Maybe during a random party? If not, maybe he got the house layout from a real estate website?

Yes on the real estate, he seemed to be a methodical planner.

I would guess no to the party, as he would definitely be remembered as a sore thumb at that specific residence, and I think he would likely know how out of place he would seem as well.

jmo