ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 66

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I am a few years younger than BK, but I would venture to say the majority of people between my and his age are on their parents' phone plan for years after college (some reimburse, some don't). IMO, his parents kicked him off the family phone plan and he just registered his same phone number (or a new one) to an account in his name.

It's a huge hassle to move all of this stuff (credit cards, phone bill, drivers license, etc etc etc) to temporary addresses like student housing. Many people just keep their parents' address on the non-essential items until they are in a more permanent house.

I was thinking that perhaps his parents were offering to still pay for it, so it was easier for him to have the PA address on the account so that bills would be mailed there.
 
Browneyes posted what she’d be pondering about until the hearing in June and one of them was WHY THAT NIGHT? Or something to that effecct. Sorry brown eyes if I’m getting it wrong….

BUT, i started thinking about several of your thoughts and that one hit me like a bolt of lightning after it meshed with you pointing out the cars in the front. Kaylee’s Range Rover. It was her last night there! She was was moving to Austin!!!

y’all may all be going duh! But this is the first time i thought of this, and i feel so silly for not thinking of it sooner. It was his last chance to eliminate her. I hate typing that :(
But that night in his mind he thought now or never, so he literally went Rambo. It WASN’T well planned. She was graduating early!! THAT caught him off guard!!
 
His initial three passes by 1122 King Road began at 3:29, long before the 4:00 DoorDash delivery. His fourth pass began when he:
Yeah I keep wondering about this. Did he keep driving around because he kept seeing activity in the house (maybe lights on) and he waited until they went out or did he keep driving around in circles because he was trying to psych himself up to go in there?

Also regarding his crazy driving, that turnaround at the gas station that had baffled everyone before when they thought it was part of the getaway must have been part of his earlier driving in circles past the house. I bet there's surveillance from various cameras of his crazed driving during that entire 30-minute period. MOO
 
Whatever is going on there, and I have no idea what it is, it's more than just waiting for the DoorDash guy to leave. This is what the PCA says:

His initial three passes by 1122 King Road began at 3:29, long before the 4:00 DoorDash delivery. His fourth pass began when he:
  • Entered the area at 4:04
  • Proceeded east on King Road, past 1122
  • Stopped and turned around at 500 Queen Road #52 (those long apartment buildings)
  • Drove back, stopped in front of 1122
  • Tried unsuccessfully to park or turn around there
  • Proceeded back westbound to the corner intersection
  • Did a three point turn
  • Drove back eastbound toward 1122
  • Next seen leaving the area at a high rate of speed at 4:20
This is not only driving like a crazy person, it compresses the timeline to a mind-boggling degree. Between 4:04 and 4:20 he did all that crazy driving - driving past, stopping, turning around, driving back, stopping, trying to park, trying to turn around, aborting, driving to the end of the street, three point turning, driving back, finding somewhere to park, going inside, murdering four people, going back to his car, and driving away. All in 16 minutes or less.

And he couldn't have made himself more conspicuous if he tried.

I think he missed a turn somehow, making it look crazy:

---Enters the road to go by the house, passes the house. I think that's on purpose for surveillance.

--Turns around. CourtTV showed you don't even have to stop if you do a turnaround in the apartment front parking. It's like 18 seconds from the house, driving slowly (On CourtTV, Vinnie Politan).

--Then he goes back towards the house again. This is where I think he wanted to take the left immediately in front of the house to get to the wooded area/back part of the house to park near there. I think the turn would be too tight or he missed it!

--So he continues on (another 18 seconds) and takes a 3-point turn at the intersection (x seconds?).

--Now he's right, lol. He makes his turn and parks, imo, all off camera after he passes the house this last time before entering it.
 
Yeah I keep wondering about this. Did he keep driving around because he kept seeing activity in the house (maybe lights on) and he waited until they went out or did he keep driving around in circles because he was trying to psych himself up to go in there?

Also regarding his crazy driving, that turnaround at the gas station that had baffled everyone before when they thought it was part of the getaway must have been part of his earlier driving in circles past the house. I bet there's surveillance from various cameras of his crazed driving during that entire 30-minute period. MOO
This I’m thinking
“did he keep driving around in circles because he was trying to psych himself up to go in there?”
 
Maybe he didn't miss that turn but saw the DD driver ahead and didn't want to make it until the DD driver left the neighborhood? So he followed the DD driver slowly until it turned, and then he did his U-turn when it was clear. Could be, imo.
I could be wrong, but I don't think he ever saw the DD driver. Per the PCA, there's a 4-minute gap between the food drop-off and his final lap. MOO
 
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Yeah I keep wondering about this. Did he keep driving around because he kept seeing activity in the house (maybe lights on) and he waited until they went out or did he keep driving around in circles because he was trying to psych himself up to go in there?

Also regarding his crazy driving, that turnaround at the gas station that had baffled everyone before when they thought it was part of the getaway must have been part of his earlier driving in circles past the house. I bet there's surveillance from various cameras of his crazed driving during that entire 30-minute period. MOO
m sorry, what is MOO? I’m trying to find an abbreviation list or something but it’s hard to navigate outside of specific cases.
 
that was literally me for the first week on here... there's a "lingo" thread somewhere but it's much more fun to just imagine the person posting is actually mooing.
We don't moo. We have an opinion. LOL :D

MOO

ETA - JMO (Just My Opinion), IMO (In My Opinion), IMHO (In My Humble Opinion). We need to let posters, and Mods, know when something is our own opinion and not fact. Fact needs to have a link to your MSM source (Main Stream Media). No SM (Social Media) is allowed. It gets easier over time. :)
 
My Opinion Only. It's to distinguish speculation from fact. You can also use the more standard IMO, but there's something about MOO that I find quite enchanting. :)
Thank you. It is quite enchanting.

On topic here, I didn’t realize one of the victims was moving in less than 24 hours.<modsnip> Now, I just can’t help but wonder if we’re going to learn this is another case like Israel Keyes, who may never have been caught had he not rapidly decompensated in his last offense. I just find it difficult to believe, based on my experience with offenders (ARNP, spent much of my career working with SVPs in Civil Commitment and participated in SOTP sessions), it would be difficult to control four adults with only a knife as a weapon. They’d be unlikely to cooperate once the first person was harmed. Having said that, I mostly doubt the credulity of this person’s first attempt at a crime to be the successful sharp force murder of four healthy adults, including a male and with others in the house. It just seems more like someone who knows what they’re doing, but also was in a period of general Dr compensation. That’s all… MOO ;)
 
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MOO = My Own Opinion. And welcome to Websleuths. :)

More here: Websleuths Lingo
Thank you so much! Idk why “Lingo” didn’t come to mind as a search term, especially with RuPaul just starting a show bearing that name! I’ve been searching things like Abbreviation/s, code words, how to talk, what means MOO, and more. I’m super bad at this, but imma go pin the lingo thread right now. Thank you so so much!
 
Thank you. It is quite enchanting.

On topic here, I didn’t realize one of the victims was moving in less than 24 hours. <modsnip> Now, I just can’t help but wonder if we’re going to learn this is another case like Israel Keyes, who may never have been caught had he not rapidly decompensated in his last offense. I just find it difficult to believe, based on my experience with offenders (ARNP, spent much of my career working with SVPs in Civil Commitment and participated in SOTP sessions), it would be difficult to control four adults with only a knife as a weapon. They’d be unlikely to cooperate once the first person was harmed. Having said that, I mostly doubt the credulity of this person’s first attempt at a crime to be the successful sharp force murder of four healthy adults, including a male and with others in the house. It just seems more like someone who knows what they’re doing, but also was in a period of general Dr compensation. That’s all… MOO ;)
The size of the rooms didn’t help. It would have been difficult to escape either one because of the orientation of the beds to the door. moo
 
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I am a few years younger than BK, but I would venture to say the majority of people between my and his age are on their parents' phone plan for years after college (some reimburse, some don't). IMO, his parents kicked him off the family phone plan and he just registered his same phone number (or a new one) to an account in his name.

It's a huge hassle to move all of this stuff (credit cards, phone bill, drivers license, etc etc etc) to temporary addresses like student housing. Many people just keep their parents' address on the non-essential items until they are in a more permanent house.
I agree. I was on my parents plan for a looooong time. It was a family plan though back in the early 2000s where the 5th line was free or something so it didn’t matter….
 
Going back to comments in the previous thread, assuming BK had seen everyone's SM, IMO I don't see how he'd be surprised by anyone's presence or sleeping arrangements. What I want to know is, if he came to target 1, 2, or 4 of the six housemates, how'd he know who slept in which bedrooms?

Were curtains open during his alleged recon? Did their SM posts reveal this much detail (the house still seems a little confusing to me)? Or, did he visit there at some point? If this was a targeted vs random crime, it seems like this is a valid question.
I really think he had been inside that house before when they were all at class or at a football game

Game day/night would have been the best time to do something like that

the town evacuates to the stadium
At least in our college town….
 
The size of the rooms didn’t help. It would have been difficult to escape either one because of the orientation of the beds to the door. moo
I suppose if he waited at the doorway for them to come to him. It’s part of our training when working with the types of people I worked with to draw them away from the door and run when they have a sharp object, but of course these kids wouldn’t be likely to have had such training. I’m way more afraid of a combatant armed with a knife than a gun, because if you have to engage them, you’re getting cut. I’m astounded that the perpetrator didn’t have extensive injuries of his own, really. I literally thought at the beginning that the perpetrator must have known them well enough to have drugged them or something at first based on the fact that they didn’t find someone who’d needed many stitches on the night of, or who was noticed by friends, family, coworkers, etc. with fresh wounds, just because it is so unusual for the perpetrator not to end up with wounds of offense - we had a guy who’d been caught because he’d lost two fingers in the process of wounding another person. That only has bearing on here because it strikes me as so very unusual that BK (or whomever the perpetrator is found to be) had no appreciable wounds to speak of. MOO
 
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