ID - 4 Univ of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 67

[TL4S]

The warrant mentioned a pillow with no cover and a mattress cover with red stains, which sheets wouls go over that they did not mention. JMO

This was curious, right? They did not collect sheets or pillow cases at all. Did he not use sheets? Did he bring them to his parents' in PA to launder? Did he get rid of them for some reason? Hmm...

 

[schooling]

Maybe. As I understand it and IMO. Animal hair can be any animal. Testing can tell them what animal and if a dog, what breed. If it is dog hair, and it is Murphy's breed, Nuclear dna testing can tell an individual dog. JMO

Review Article - Forensic Hair Comparison: Background Information for Interpretation - April 2009

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Lab Uses Pet DNA to Track Down Killers, Solve Cold Cases

A team at an advanced lab in the Bay Area is tracking down killers and solving cold cases with a little help from everyday pets.

www.nbcbayarea.com

Forensic Science Communications - July 2004

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edit: added third link for dog hairs - all the way at the bottom

Matching simply animal hairs would still be a great addition to the case.

The more coincidences the jury is forced to accept the harder it is for the defense to create doubt.

 

[Cindizzi]

Yes, indeed. Presumably, they found neither the Dickie's onesie OR the Vans.

But there appears to be good evidence that he purchased a dark piece of clothing suitable for transporting a knife in a leg pocket, and that it is no longer at his house (was it at his parents' house? I seriously doubt it).

It's a weak bit of evidence by itself, but in context, it's important.

In addition to the Walmart receipt and Dickies tag, they took 2 receipts from Marshall’s. Marshall’s sells clothing ( and backpacks).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615817184248209409

 

[NoSpoonFeeding]

If every piece of physical evidence is linked only to BK and some other animal, then it's mostly exonerating.

I don't know if I'm interpreting your use of the word "exonerating" the way you meant it but I don't see how items that turn out not to be related to the murders, not usable as evidence against him, exonerating.
If that is his blood on his pillow and mattress cover and he has recently healed injuries, especially if they could be from using a knife, that is not exonerating evidence. If the stains are from red wine, it only exonerates him from bleeding on his bed. MOO

Definition of EXONERATE

to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship; to clear from accusation or blame… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

 

[schooling]

True enough. Some student housing has linoleum throughout. Steptoe appears to have laminate or linoleum in its apartments.

Steptoe Village | at WSU

housing.wsu.edu

It's the 1 BR at about 10 seconds that relevant.

Looks like it would be easy to clean and disinfect. In times of pandemics, I would assume cleaning would get a bit higher priority. Anyway, looks a lot like grad student housing from decades ago. Spare, easy to clean.

I stayed in grad housing and had to do all the cleaning myself.

You had it made!

 

[Nila Aella]

Matching simply animal hairs would still be a great addition to the case.

The more coincidences the jury is forced to accept the harder it is for the defense to create doubt.

Absolutely! If the test results are hair from a dog and even better if it is Murphy's breed and coloring. JMO

 

[Walela]

Thanks for posting this! I’m curious if his student apartment has wall to wall carpet or tile flooring?

If there’s wall to wall carpet, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the possible animal hair and human hair came from previous tenants? It’s very hard to clean carpets in between tenants, IMO. As far as the reddish brown stains, would love to know if they are little dots or much larger. Student housing is not the cleanest!

I guess we won’t hear anything more until the trial? (barring leaks of course)

It's possible the animal hair belongs to one of the family dogs in PA. His dad flew out to drive back with him and very easily could have had a bit of dog hair on his clothing. There's a virtual tour of those apartments on the WSU website that may show the flooring.

jmo

 

[schooling]

In addition to the Walmart receipt and Dickies tag, they took 2 receipts from Marshall’s. Marshall’s sells clothing ( and backpacks).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615817184248209409

I'm assuming the 'test' is to see if it's blood. And they only do it on larger stains as to not ruin the possibility of extracting dna from a sample.

I'd really really really love to know if that larger stain came back positive on site for blood. Even if it was negative they likely still took it to test the smaller stains.

 

[Dotta]

"Items included in the December 29 warrant included any evidence with relevant DNA, knives or "any other sharp tool" that could have been used in the crime, clothing similar
to what the suspect was described to be wearing during the killing, as well as "any images"—physical or digital—of victims.

The warrant also included an extensive list of devices as well as account information for Kohberger's social media and other digital accounts.

Among the data sought by investigators include anything showing an interest in or planning of "murder, violent assault, stabbing and/or cutting of people" as well as information on the students' 1122 King Street address, cell phone data and any metadata or information gleaned from messaging apps or any other tools on his phone that could tie him to the victims."

Bryan Kohberger's house searched for pictures of Idaho murder victims

Police applied for a search warrant the day before Kohberger's arrest seeking additional evidence of a previous knowledge of the victims.

www.newsweek.com

 

[Ccging]

This was curious, right? They did not collect sheets or pillow cases at all. Did he not use sheets? Did he bring them to his parents' in PA to launder? Did he get rid of them for some reason? Hmm...

I’m wondering if he put on all new sheets and pillow cases but some smart thinking detective thought to remove them and found the stains on the pillow and mattress cover. Just IMO

Edited to add: also maybe on one of the receipts they found it showed a purchase of the new sheets and pillow cases

 

[truecrimeallthetime]

I’m interested to see if they found anything in his car. Hopefully he missed some spots when he did his late night cleaning.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1615823540854431761

 

[TL4S]

Honestly, why would one keep receipts for items they bought to commit a crime? I would think you'd go to some random store far away, pay cash, burn the receipt, and get rid of the item afterwards. Surely he wasn't going to return the item, or turn the receipt in to his accountant. There are thrift stores everywhere, too, maybe less likely to have cameras or whatnot. I've seen multiple cases where there was Walmart footage of the perp buying bleach or whatever right before he crime. Stupid.

 

[steeltowngirl]

It's possible the animal hair belongs to one of the family dogs in PA. His dad flew out to drive back with him and very easily could have had a bit of dog hair on his clothing. There's a virtual tour of those apartments on the WSU website that may show the flooring.

jmo

I am really hoping the animal hair is Murphy’s!

 

[Aquarian]

Thanks for posting this! I’m curious if his student apartment has wall to wall carpet or tile flooring?

If there’s wall to wall carpet, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the possible animal hair and human hair came from previous tenants? It’s very hard to clean carpets in between tenants, IMO. As far as the reddish brown stains, would love to know if they are little dots or much larger. Student housing is not the cleanest!

I guess we won’t hear anything more until the trial? (barring leaks of course)

I’m hoping this is ok, here’s a virtual tour of Steptoe apts. I guess things can always change- but looks like it’s got ‘carpet’ down.

Steptoe Village | at WSU

housing.wsu.edu

 

[gliving]

Thanks for posting this! I’m curious if his student apartment has wall to wall carpet or tile flooring?

If there’s wall to wall carpet, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the possible animal hair and human hair came from previous tenants? It’s very hard to clean carpets in between tenants, IMO. As far as the reddish brown stains, would love to know if they are little dots or much larger. Student housing is not the cleanest!

I guess we won’t hear anything more until the trial? (barring leaks of course)

Fam/Grad Handbook | at WSU

housing.wsu.edu

The Steptoe apts have the option of renting furniture and also share a community laundry room. Stray hairs and fibers would be likely. Testing might narrow it down but this article says they'd need the hair root to get DNA. Not sure about animal hair but I'd imagine similar findings. I'm hoping some evidence in the car will nail him.

DNA Hanging by a Hair

How many types of DNA do we have, and why?When we talk about our genes – those inherited from our parents, those which determine our eye or hair color and numerous other traits, and those which we refer to when we say that something is "in our genes" – we are talking about the genetic material...

davidson.weizmann.ac.il

 

[TheirWho]

They also recovered Marshall receipt. Here in my town Marshalls sells Vans, etc. So maybe the receipt has “shoes” on the purchase.

 

[10ofRods]

Bryan seems like a disorganized, incompetent dolt who masquerades as a successful academic. It is almost inconceivable that he would fail to understand the basics of modern forensics. Either he has been framed, he was acting under the influence of drugs or he was in an extreme mental state of psychosis. Will an IQ test be conducted?

There are lots of disorganized academics who aren't all that competent in real world activities. BK definitely had problems completing previous schooling, and I personally believe there's no evidence that he ever lived outside the parental home. He spent a lot of time online and in reading/thinking.

Almost anyone can snap under stress and behave in ways that look crazy. However, this crime took some planning, which I believe he did. He just didn't know how his own psyche would operate under such extreme conditions. It's a lot like thinking you know what it's like to go through labor and delivery, before you've done it. Or, for that matter, what a broken leg feels like when you've never had one.

I was thinking he probably had some earlier crimes under his belt, but now I'm not so sure. He does look like a complete newbie.

I don't know if I'm interpreting your use of the word "exonerating" the way you meant it but I don't see how items that turn out not to be related to the murders, not usable as evidence against him, exonerating.
If that is his blood on his pillow and mattress cover and he has recently healed injuries, especially if they could be from using a knife, that is not exonerating evidence. If the stains are from red wine, it only exonerates him from bleeding on his bed. MOO

Definition of EXONERATE

to relieve of a responsibility, obligation, or hardship; to clear from accusation or blame… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

I am speaking of the categories typically used by the prosecution and the defense.

The prosecution will claim that evidence is incriminating, the term "exonerating" is used by the defense as a general term for all evidence that helps their case. When discovery happens, most discovery documents mention that all exonerating or potentially exonerating evidence discovered by the prosecution must be produced and given to the defense, as a matter of due process.

It is related to the dictionary definition, but I'm using it in the sense of a process of legal discovery. Perhaps I should use the word "exculpatory" instead, but thought maybe that would pose problems of comprehension.

Here's wikipedia's definition of the Brady rule:

//The Brady doctrine is a pretrial discovery rule that was established by the United States Supreme Court in Brady v. Maryland (1963).[2] The rule requires that the prosecution must turn over all exculpatory evidence to the defendant in a criminal case. Exculpatory evidence is evidence that might exonerate the defendant.[3] (my emphasis, complete text with active footnotes posted just below).

Brady disclosure - Wikipedia

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If the evidence *might* exonerate (show innocence) then it is exculpatory as well. And must be produced if the prosecution has any such thing.

 

[Elliot_Alderson]

Also considering how dirty his car was and him cleaning it and throwing the trash in the neighbor's, makes me think the guy isn't very clean or tidy.

One could argue him throwing out trash shows that he is tidy.

 

[10ofRods]

Fam/Grad Handbook | at WSU

housing.wsu.edu

The Steptoe apts have the option of renting furniture and also share a community laundry room. Stray hairs and fibers would be likely. Testing might narrow it down but this article says they'd need the hair root to get DNA. Not sure about animal hair but I'd imagine similar findings. I'm hoping some evidence in the car will nail him.

DNA Hanging by a Hair

How many types of DNA do we have, and why?When we talk about our genes – those inherited from our parents, those which determine our eye or hair color and numerous other traits, and those which we refer to when we say that something is "in our genes" – we are talking about the genetic material...

davidson.weizmann.ac.il

I think they can tell the species and breed of a dog without the root of the hair, but you're right - to get all the way to Murphy as the specific dog, a hair root would be needed, AFAIK.

While stray fibers from "where ever" might be useless, I don't see how fibers from 1122 King Road should be at the Steptoe apartment, which is what I am hoping they find and the whole point of the warrant, IMO (to find evidence linking him to 1122 King or the victims).

I would not consider fiber from a victim's bed to be considered "stray." It would stand out like a sore thumb. Obviously, no one is interested in random fibers carried up from the laundry - but the people at 1122 King were not doing their laundry at Steptoe (unless there's evidence that they did, which would be huge and I don't think that happened at all).