ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

[NervousNellie]

where are the girls seen? (22 min is more than my bird brain can stick out lol)

They come in at the top right part of the screen pretty quickly - within the first couple of minutes. They are on the video(s - there seem to be two angles available) for the entire rest of the video(s). One of them is stumbling drunk, IMO; she ends up leaning up against the food truck (seemingly) to hold herself up. The other woman does not seem to have difficulty standing/walking.

 

[Wallendo]

if they are renting would a search warrant be issued to landlord/property owner?

If LE wants to search the rooms of the not-home-at-the-time roommates, they would probably want warrants for those areas of the house.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Moscow Police holding news conference Wednesday about student murders

MOSCOW, Idaho – After days of silence, Moscow Police will hold a news conference Wednesday about the investigation into the murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.kxly.com

 

[acutename]

Four students were killed, two of them staying in one bedroom. So that leaves three other bedrooms in this six bedroom house where no one was killed. If this was a targeted attack as LE has indicated, it almost seems that the attacker went from room to room killing until he found who he was looking for. If he knew exactly where to go, he would have gone there right away, I would think.

Do we have a link that says that Ethan was killed on a different floor from the other three? I keep seeing that said but I must have missed where it came from.

one of the articles said that he was on the second floor "floor"
but I have not seen anything mentioned about the location of anyone else
and I cannot even find the original information- maybe not accurate? IMO.

 

[BelieveinUFO]

Trying to understand the layout of the Area:

The address is 1122 King Rd but the driveway is on Queen Rd (yellow arrow). Not sure if there is a path from King Rd (yellow arrow)

The house numbers I marked in RED are all surrounding houses which has a clear view of 1122. Of course 1126 and 1118 King Rd has the clearest view of the backyard. All others seems to apartment buildings (712,714 Queen Rd, 621,701,703 Taylor Ave and 500 Queen Rd (two buildings))

I am not sure whether there is a way from Queen Rd to Linda Ln through 1330 Linda Ln (the path marked in white). Someone who knows the area can confirm it

Now to the question of prep(s) leaving after the crime:

1) They live in the surrounding vicinity and they can just walk in the night to their homes (or even walk their cars parked little further)
2) They parked close and they walked to their cars. There are two possible routes marked in pink. Another possible route is the white. Even if the white path doesn't exist the prep(s) can simply walk over to Linda Ln (i guess). Also an even remote path through 1260 Walenta Dr (gray line).

Any cameras in these homes/apartments from the night of the incident till midday would really help in this investigation.



My opinion:
The prep(s) very likely lives in the vicinity. They would need to figure out their escape route and likely knows the surroundings well. LE did search the surrounding-garbage for any clues but we don't know whether they did find anything.
What I don't understand is why LE would say it as "targeted" - I think they left messages/markings in the crime scene
From the food-truck video it is clear the girls are not paying attention to surroundings and trust others more. Also they would have unaware if anyone was watching them from outside with their daily activities inside their house.

I have seen lot of debris scattered (like discarded white claw box) all around everywhere. Is Idaho a place where they don't clean or pick up their trash often? Also in University of Idaho homicide victims believed stabbed to death in 'isolated, targeted attack': police the video shows the cops looking at a jacket in the end and after finding nothing relevant they just throw it back.

Interesting in the same link above "One neighbor said there was a lot of noise coming from the house on Saturday evening prior to the attack" - so they must have had a party of some sort? The LE would need to ID everyone in that

 

[Erutan]

Started trying to put together a TIMELINE for this one to try to separate facts from rumors/speculation, but it's been a bit of a challenge to keep up with the growing thread. (Also, I was initially thinking that Moscow, ID was in Mountain Time, so please let me know if I've done the time zone switch wrong in any of my info!) I have not watched any video yet, so there may be missing info from those (please @ me if there's specific info you think should be included!)


VICTIMS:
EC = Ethan Chapin [IG / FB], a 20-year-old from Conway, Washington [1]; freshman, member of Sigma Chi fraternity majoring in recreation, sport and tourism management in the College of Education, Health and Human Sciences. [7]; school indicates hometown was Mount Vernon, WA [9]; one of triplets that all attended UofI[36]; staying overnight with his girlfriend XK [39]
FAMILY INTERVIEW: NOV 5

XK = Xana Kernodle [IG / TikTok / FB], 20, from Avondale, Arizona [1]; junior from Post Falls majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics, member of Pi Beta Phi sorority [7]; dating EC, worked as server at Mad Greek restaurant [36]

MM = Madison Mogen [IG / TikTok / FB], a 21-year-old from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho [1]; senior majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics, member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority [7]; worked as server at Mad Greek restaurant [36]

KG = Kaylee Goncalves [IG / TikTok / FB], 21, from Rathdrum, Idaho [1]; senior majoring in general studies in the College of Letters, Arts and Social Sciences, member of the Alpha Phi sorority [7]; middle of five children, owner of a dog named Murphy [31], was going to start a new tech job in TX in Jan [36]
FAMILY INTERVIEW: NOV 5

LOCATION


TIMELINE

AUG 16

• MM posts a "meet the roommates" image on IG [12]

AUG 22

• MM posts a "first day of school" image on IG [11]

SEP 12

• POSSIBLY UNRELATED: man threatened students on UofI campus with a knife [35]

OCT 29

• XK's final IG post, wishing EC a happy birthday [13]

F NOV 11

• MM's final IG post [10]
• KG's final texts with her sister [31]

Sa NOV 12

• KG's final IG post w roommates [15]
• PM - neighbors hear loud music from somewhere "in the neighborhood"; did NOT hear screaming or gunshots [33]
• PM - neighbors report "hearing noise from the house Saturday evening but said it sounded like a party rather than an altercation." [40]

Su NOV 13 - DEATH OF VICTIMS, BODIES DISCOVERED

• 1:33AM - 1:53AM [41] - MM & KG seen on Twitch video from Grub Truck food truck [38], where they order pasta; manager states they were "slightly intoxicated" [41] - VIDEO from Gray Hughes Investigates
• 3AM-4AM - Estimated time of death [9]
• 11:58AM [20] - LE respond to "a report of an unconscious person" (later verified to be one of the deceased [30]); according to EC's mother, bodies were found by "a friend" [32] who does not live in the house [39]; fire and EMS also on scene but did not go into residence [1]; First responders "discovered four individuals who were deceased" [20] - EC was found on floor of second level [36]; officers describe a bloody crime scene, "especially on upper floors of the house" [37]
• 2:16 PM - UofI FB post advises students to shelter in place due to investigation of homicide on King St [3]
• 2:51 PM - UofI FB post lifts shelter-in-place, states that LE are still investigating death of 4 people but do not believe there is an active threat [4]
• 5:25PM - UofI FB post states that LE is still investigating, but there is no ongoing threat [5]
• 9:17 PM - University president posts on FB about deaths, cancels class for M Nov 14, offers counseling resources [6]
• PM - neighbors state they saw police, "group of women crying while draped in emergency blankets" [33]

M NOV 14 - DECLARED A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION

• online and in-person classes at University canceled [1]
• 12:50 PM - MSM reports that 4 students found dead near campus [1]
• 12:21 PM - UofI FB posts identities of victims [7], states "Moscow police do not believe there is an ongoing community risk based on information gathered during the preliminary investigation" [8]
• 1:31 PM - search dogs at scene [29]
• 1:49 PM - MSM reports that it is being treated as homicide investigation [2]
• PM - Moscow Police Capt. Anthony Dahlinger told the Idaho Statesman Monday night that none of the deceased students are believed to be responsible for the deaths. [9], NYT reporter also states that county coroner said it was NOT a murder-suicide [17]
• 5:56PM - Mayor refuses to confirm NYT's "crime of passion" description [21], states it is one possibility [32]
• PM - media tries to canvas neighbors, who decline to make a comment, "most" stating that they didn't really know the victims; state that police had previously canvassed neighborhood as well [32]

Tu NOV 15 - PRELIMINARY CAUSE OF DEATH RELEASED: STABBING
no weapon found, no suspect in custody

• Moscow PD release statement - "Evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack." [16]
• Some students, feeling unsafe, leave early for Thanksgiving break [18]
• Coroner calls the scene "gruesome" [34]
• DailyMail (TABLOID) posts image they claim is blood "oozing" out of residence; state that scene was "the worst [police] had ever seen; "there was blood everywhere;" "have never seen anything like this"; trash taken to garbage depot [36]
  
  
• 8:36AM - vigil postponed until after Thanksgiving [28] - cf W Nov 16
• 11:24AM - LE press release states they are still searching for "an edged weapon such as a knife" that was used in attack [27]
• 2:07PM - LE stop garbage truck from leaving residence, as they have not recovered weapon [26]
• 2:40PM - bodies in Spokane County, autopsies to take place on Wed; preliminary findings show stabbing as cause of death; "a lot of blood;" no indication of substance use [25]
• 4:25PM - confirmed that FBI is working with local LE [19]
• 6:36PM - county prosecutor states there is a sealed warrant issued at residence; "a handful of other warrants" in the works [24]
• 7:11PM - Families of MM & KG release statement calling for justice [23]

W NOV 16

• AM - Video shared online of MM & KG at Grub Truck food truck [38] - cf Su NOV 13
• Parents speak out against LE & school for "lack of information [40]
• 3:30PM - news conference planned by ISP & Moscow PD [22]
• 5PM - vigil planned on University's Administration Lawn [9] - postponed as of T NOV 15 [28] rescheduled to NOV 30 [34]

SOURCES:
[1] 4 University of Idaho students found dead near campus - 6ABC - Nov 14
[2] Four university students found dead near campus - MirrorUK - Nov 14
[3] UofI FB - Nov 13
[4] UofI FB - Nov 13
[5] UofI FB - Nov 13
[6] UofI FB - Nov 13
[7] UofI FB - Nov 14
[8] UofI FB - Nov 14
[9] 4 Slain University of Idaho students are victims - ElkoDaily - Nov 14
[10] MM Instagram - Nov 11
[11] MM Instagram - Aug 22
[12] MM Instagram - Aug 16
[13] XK Instagram - Oct 29
[14] EC Instagram - May 13
[15] KG Instagram - Nov 12
[16] Moscow PD - Nov 15
[17] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet - Nov 14
[18] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[19] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet - Nov 15
[20] Four university of Idaho Students discovered dead - Law&Crime - Nov 15
[21] @AndrewBaertlein (KTVB) tweet - Nov 14
[22] @AndrewBaertlein (KTVB) tweet - Nov 16
[23] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[24] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[25] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[26] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[27] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[28] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[29] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 14
[30] @dugganreports (KTVB) tweet - Nov 15
[31] Family of alleged Moscow homicide victim remembers - Nov 14
[32] Suspect sought in U of I deaths - Idaho Statesman - Nov 15
[33] Four U of I students died in senseless act of violence - LM Tribute - Nov 14
[34] Homicide investigation underway - KHQ - Nov 15
[35] Man reportedly threatened students with knife - ISJ - Sep 15
[36] Blood oozes through walls of home - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 15
[37] University of Utah homicide victims - FoxNews - Nov 15
[38] @johnwebbtv (KHQ-TV) - Nov 16
[39] 4 Idaho students killed in 'targeted attack' - ABCNews - Nov 16
[40] Slain university of Idaho victims' parents frustrated - ABCNews - Nov 16
[41] Chilling video shows 2 of the 4 - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 16

Bolding mine.
Thanks for all of this !!

Regarding the bolded : If it was a bloody crime scene, how did the poor student who found them think they were only, 'unconscious' ?
Just wondering.
Of course it could've been shock and the traumatized person ran out without seeing the blood.


It blows my mind to think there's no threat right now.
Hoe the killer doesn't strike again !!!!!
This makes me think LE have eyes on someone, so that's good.
Wonder if that's why no video of the perp entering or leaving the house has been released ?
M00.

 

[cvaldez1975]

Crime scenes that are parsed with "no immediate and imminent danger to the community" by LE are almost aways murder-suicides

LE clearly stated that none of the victims are suspects.

 

[Helechawagirl]

Moscow Police holding news conference Wednesday about student murders

MOSCOW, Idaho – After days of silence, Moscow Police will hold a news conference Wednesday about the investigation into the murders of four University of Idaho students.

www.kxly.com

So 6:30 EST

 

[Knitty]

MOD NOTE:

I know everybody here is anxious for an arrest in this case. While we have the video to discuss, it is NOT appropriate to cast aspersions on any of the bystanders in this video. LE has NOT indicated there is a POI or suspect, and until they have, implying that someone in this video is responsible for these murders is setting them up for harassment or worse. Please post responsibly.

Lots of new members here. Welcome! Please review the links in my signature, especially the top two, so you'll be familiar with our TOS. Big rules: Don't sleuth anybody that LE has not said is a POI or suspect, and extended family and friends of the victims are also victims and their social media, etc. is off limits.

Thanks for posting responsibly!

Knitty
Moderator

 

[Peppery]

LE clearly stated that none of the victims are suspects.

Yes! And with it being a knife or bladed weapon attack, LE would know none of the victims is a suspect because the weapon would be found with that person. Let’s put the murder-suicide theory to rest.

 

[margarita25]

Alright, I’ve started a basic Media Thread for reference to get started. I brought everyone’s posts over, so thank you for your contributions. I’ll be adding some videos over there as time allows.

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[Ontario Mom]

Such a terrifying nightmare

These young people look just like my college age daughter & son and their housemates.
I cannot even begin to imagine what their families are feeling right now.
I'm not sure why really but it wouldn't surprise me to learn the suspect is female.

Ugh. Hoping for swift justice.

 

[Allabouttrial]

Such a terrifying nightmare

These young people look just like my college age daughter & son and their housemates.
I cannot even begin to imagine what their families are feeling right now.
I'm not sure why really but it wouldn't surprise me to learn the suspect is female.

Ugh. Hoping for swift justice.

Same re female and I have nothing really to quantify thinking that that could be a possibility.

 

[AtotheJ]

I saw this on Twitter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592610179316879360

<modsnip - implications against bystanders in the video is not allowed>

 

[MassGuy]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592995170714550272

 

[Allabouttrial]

I saw this on Twitter

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592610179316879360

The person wearing a hoodie in the first 4 seconds of the video has similarities to the person lurking behind in the food truck video..

Looks nothing like. Only similarities is a hoody over a cap.

 

[cheetostock]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592995170714550272

LE is getting a lot of flack for how this is being handled. They discussed it on CNN and both anchors sounded like they’ve been on this thread… saying the same things we are.

 

[Ontario Mom]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1592995170714550272

Honestly, at this point, unless they name a suspect in custody I don't think there's anything they can say that will make the young people in Moscow feel safe. Or their families, for that matter. If my kids were there, I can guarantee they'd have already come home.

jmo

 

[margarita25]

Live link to PC, 101 minutes to go.

 

[margarita25]