ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

[diggndeeperstill]

Ethan Chapin’s mother, Sarah Chapin, told the news outlet that a friend discovered the bodies inside the home on King Road and called 911.

I thought the 911 caller only saw one victim and the police discovered the rest on arrival, but the plurality in "bodies" is making me question that. I guess even if they only saw one, they technically discovered all of them if that makes any sense? It may be irrelevant but what do you guys think?

Is it possible one of the roommates was the unconscious person?

Answering my own question--- likely not as there doesn't seem to have been an ambulance. Hmm.

Wonder if a news agency will file a PIR for the 911 call. It seems that is key and I would like to know if dispatch messed it up, or was called in that way. That is a big disconnect.

Didn't we have a report in the news that it was a friend that called 911, not a roommate? So, if true not even the roommates called? Someone help clear that up for me. I am confused.

Wish I could clear that up. If it was one of the other two roommates, don't know why they would say an unconscious person when there are four people dead/being killed.

Ok, so I found what I was looking for and included the quote. Unfortunately, it doesn't clear it up 100% for me.

Ethan's mom is quoted in the NY POST article as saying Ethan's FRIEND found the bodies. So, technically "friend" could be a roommate. And I guess if Ethan was not a roommate, she wouldn't say roommate she would say, friend.


Edited to CORRECT--
This link contains a quote by Ethan's mom. She said a friend WHO DOES NOT LIVE IN THE HOME is the one who discovered the victims.

4 Idaho college students killed in 'targeted attack,' no suspects in custody

Four University of Idaho students were found dead on Sunday, officials said.

abcnews.go.com

 

[isabella88]

I looked at the Zillow listing and based off the comments on here about the bodies being on the third and second floor (the male) were the two surviving roommates more than likely in the two basement (first floor) bedrooms? I’m not good at Zillow pictures and home layouts but the first floor looked to have two rooms.

Maybe the attacker did enter through the sliding glass door in the kitchen (on the second floor) and moved up; Danny Rolling entered through sliding glass doors and murdered all his victims with a ka-bar - that’s a fact and it gives me the creeps.

That sliding door gave me the creeps.

 

[girlhasnoname]

The home has six bedrooms, a Zillow link was posted earlier in the thread. Do we know if there is a basement where 2 bedrooms might have been located? That would explain why they might not have heard the commotion.

Perhaps one of them woke up around noon (not unusual) and walked upstairs and was Eric laying there covered in blood. I could understand the mass confusion and hysteria. I'm sure it was traumatizing.

MOO

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I'm really curious why the identity of the 911 caller is being kept from the public.
That seems odd to me.
Unless they're a possible suspect?

Or they're protecting a witness. If the 911 caller was one of the two roommates, they shouldn't release it until they at least have a suspect.

 

[isabella88]

Ok, so I found what I was looking for and included the quote. Unfortunately, it doesn't clear it up 100% for me.

Ethan's mom is quoted in the NY POST article as saying Ethan's FRIEND found the bodies. So, technically "friend" could be a roommate. And I guess if Ethan was not a roommate, she wouldn't say roommate she would say, friend.

Thanks! From what I've read the house was right near his frat house? He may have gone back and forth since his girlfriend lived in the murder house.

 

[Warwick7]

Unharmed survivors might simply mean something didn’t go according to the killer’s plan, IMO.

Or didn't know they were there.
Or 2 were targeted and when the other two came home they were collateral damage.

 

[cvaldez1975]

IMO, I think this is true of the victim wearing the black coat who does appear to be stumbling around (walking in/out of frame). I don't see these visible signs of inebriation by her friend ordering and paying for the food and think she was most likely looking out for her sorority sister. JMO

she stumbled over her words and slurred while ordering. we dont know whether they were intoxicated or not but they both appeared to have been drinking to me.

 

[DatelineFan]

This was a weekend night and they are college students. It’s not difficult for me to imagine that the two roommates were still asleep from the night before, and didn’t wake up until authorities arrived after the 911 call. That seems reasonable. Poor kids

 

[isabella88]

Is it possible they’re pretending they don’t have a suspect to get the perp to come outta hiding? Or would they get the face out there instead

Always possible. LE lies all the time and they can to get their person.

 

[BeginnerSleuther]

I looked at the Zillow listing and based off the comments on here about the bodies being on the third and second floor (the male) were the two surviving roommates more than likely in the two basement (first floor) bedrooms? I’m not good at Zillow pictures and home layouts but the first floor looked to have two rooms.

Maybe the attacker did enter through the sliding glass door in the kitchen (on the second floor) and moved up; Danny Rolling entered through sliding glass doors and murdered all his victims with a ka-bar - that’s a fact and it gives me the creeps.

This is exactly my thought. The two roommates weren't killed because they were on a different floor and the killer possibly didn't know they were there.

 

[wnk]

Updated TIMELINE with new presser info

***UPDATED NOV 16, NEW INFO IN RED***

VICTIMS:
EC = Ethan Chapin [IG / FB], a 20-year-old from Conway, Washington [1]; freshman, member of Sigma Chi fraternity majoring in recreation, sport and tourism management in the College of Education, Health and Human Sciences. [7]; school indicates hometown was Mount Vernon, WA [9]; one of triplets that all attended UofI[36]; staying overnight with his girlfriend XK [39]
FAMILY INTERVIEW: NOV 15

XK = Xana Kernodle [IG / TikTok / FB], 20, from Avondale, Arizona [1]; junior from Post Falls majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics, member of Pi Beta Phi sorority [7]; dating EC, worked as server at Mad Greek restaurant [36]

MM = Madison Mogen [IG / TikTok / FB], a 21-year-old from Coeur d'Alene, Idaho [1]; senior majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics, member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority [7]; worked as server at Mad Greek restaurant [36]

KG = Kaylee Goncalves [IG / TikTok / FB], 21, from Rathdrum, Idaho [1]; senior majoring in general studies in the College of Letters, Arts and Social Sciences, member of the Alpha Phi sorority [7]; middle of five children, owner of a dog named Murphy [31], was going to start a new tech job in TX in Jan [36]
FAMILY INTERVIEW: NOV 15 | NOV 16

LOCATION


TIMELINE

AUG 16
MM posts a "meet the roommates" image on IG [12]

AUG 22
MM posts a "first day of school" image on IG [11]

SEP 12
POSSIBLY UNRELATED: man threatened students on UofI campus with a knife [35]; students were walking to Greek Row, non-student flashed a knife to threaten students, turned self into law enforcement; cannot say whether it is connected [47]

OCT 29
XK's final IG post, wishing EC a happy birthday [13]

F NOV 11

• MM's final IG post [10]
• KG's final texts with her sister [31]

Sa NOV 12

• KG's final IG post w roommates [15]
• PM - neighbors hear loud music from somewhere "in the neighborhood"; did NOT hear screaming or gunshots [33]
• PM - neighbors report "hearing noise from the house Saturday evening but said it sounded like a party rather than an altercation." [40]; Moscow PD states there is no indication of party at the residence [47]

Su NOV 13 - DEATH OF VICTIMS, BODIES DISCOVERED

• [TIME?] - MM & KG took Uber to get food [43@0:45]
• 1:33AM - 1:53AM [41] - MM & KG seen on Twitch video from Grub Truck food truck [38], where they order pasta; manager states they were "slightly intoxicated" [41] - VIDEO from Gray Hughes Investigates
• after 1:45AM - EC & XK arrived home from a party; MM & KG arrived home from a bar [47]; MM & KG took Uber home, let dog out, locked house up [43@0:45]
• 3AM-4AM - Estimated time of death [9]
• 11:58AM [20] - LE respond to "a report of an unconscious person" (later verified to be one of the deceased [30]); according to EC's mother, bodies were found by "a friend" [32] who does not live in the house [39]; fire and EMS also on scene but did not go into residence [1]; First responders "discovered four individuals who were deceased" [20] - EC was found on floor of second level [36]; officers describe a bloody crime scene, "especially on upper floors of the house" [37]
• ~12PM - coroner informed of 4 homicides [45@0:15]
• 2:16 PM - UofI FB post advises students to shelter in place due to investigation of homicide on King St [3]
• 2:51 PM - UofI FB post lifts shelter-in-place, states that LE are still investigating death of 4 people but do not believe there is an active threat [4]
• ~5PM - 5:30PM - coroner arrives on scene [45@0:30]
• 5:25PM - UofI FB post states that LE is still investigating, but there is no ongoing threat [5]
• 9:17 PM - University president posts on FB about deaths, cancels class for M Nov 14, offers counseling resources [6]
• PM - neighbors state they saw police, "group of women crying while draped in emergency blankets" [33]

M NOV 14 - DECLARED A HOMICIDE INVESTIGATION

• online and in-person classes at University canceled [1]
  
  
• [TIME?] LE questioned manager of Moscow Building Supply about whether they carry KA-BAR knives, which they do not [44]
• 12:50 PM - MSM reports that 4 students found dead near campus [1]
• 12:21 PM - UofI FB posts identities of victims [7], states "Moscow police do not believe there is an ongoing community risk based on information gathered during the preliminary investigation" [8]
• 1:31 PM - search dogs at scene [29]
• 1:49 PM - MSM reports that it is being treated as homicide investigation [2]
• PM - Moscow Police Capt. Anthony Dahlinger told the Idaho Statesman Monday night that none of the deceased students are believed to be responsible for the deaths. [9], NYT reporter also states that county coroner said it was NOT a murder-suicide [17]
• 5:56PM - Mayor refuses to confirm NYT's "crime of passion" description [21], states it is one possibility [32]
• PM - media tries to canvas neighbors, who decline to make a comment, "most" stating that they didn't really know the victims; state that police had previously canvassed neighborhood as well [32]

Tu NOV 15 - PRELIMINARY CAUSE OF DEATH RELEASED: STABBING
no weapon found, no suspect in custody

• Moscow PD release statement - "Evidence indicates that this was a targeted attack." [16]
• Some students, feeling unsafe, leave early for Thanksgiving break [18]
• Coroner calls the scene "gruesome" [34] (comment possibly taken out of context[see 45@3:45]); does not believe toxicology report will be relevant [45@3:00]; did not know timeframe of death [45@3:00]; declines to comment on where bodies were found [45@4:20]
• DailyMail (TABLOID) posts image they claim is blood "oozing" out of residence; state that scene was "the worst [police] had ever seen; "there was blood everywhere;" "have never seen anything like this"; trash taken to garbage depot [36]
• KG's family interview states that door had a keypad code [42@1:45]
  
  
• 8:36AM - vigil postponed until after Thanksgiving [28] - cf W Nov 16
• 11:24AM - LE press release states they are still searching for "an edged weapon such as a knife" that was used in attack [27]
• 2:07PM - LE stop garbage truck from leaving residence, as they have not recovered weapon [26]
• 2:40PM - bodies in Spokane County, autopsies to take place on Wed; preliminary findings show stabbing as cause of death; "a lot of blood;" no indication of substance use [25]
• 4:25PM - confirmed that FBI is working with local LE [19]
• 6:36PM - county prosecutor states there is a sealed warrant issued at residence; "a handful of other warrants" in the works [24]
• 7:11PM - Families of MM & KG release statement calling for justice [23]

W NOV 16

• AM - Video shared online of MM & KG at Grub Truck food truck [38] - cf Su NOV 13
• Parents speak out against LE & school for "lack of information [40]
• Manager of Moscow Building Supply states that LE questioned them "more than once" about whether they carry KA-BAR knives, including on M Nov 14; he states they do not [44] - cf M NOV 14
  
  
• 3:30PM - news conference planned by ISP & Moscow PD [22]
  • Moscow PD chief speaks
    
    • victims arrived home after 1:45 AM from party (EC & XK) and bar (MM & KG) [47] - cf Su Nov 13
    • no sign of forced entry - no damage to anything; door was open when LE arrived [47]
    • autopsies taking place today [47]
    • reviewing crime scene evidence, video, etc [47]
    • do not have a suspect, weapon, or clothing of suspect at this time - cannot say there is no threat to community [47]
    • no indication of party at the residence [47] - cf Sa Nov 12
    • there were ("we believe 2") other people (roommates) home at the time of the attack; was not a hostage situation and were not injured; they were present at residence when LE arrived; declines to comment on what they have stated [47]
    • declines to comment on who the 911 caller was [47]
    • has not identified anything missing/stolen from the residence [47]
    • declines to comment on location of bodies within the residence [47]
    • Sep 12 incident - students were walking to Greek Row, non-student flashed a knife to threaten students, turned self into law enforcement; cannot say whether it is connected [47] - cf Sep 12
• 5PM - vigil to be held in Coeur d' Alene, ID [46]
• 5PM - vigil planned on University's Administration Lawn [9] - postponed as of T NOV 15 [28] rescheduled to NOV 30 [34]

SOURCES:
[1] 4 University of Idaho students found dead near campus - 6ABC - Nov 14
[2] Four university students found dead near campus - MirrorUK - Nov 14
[3] UofI FB - Nov 13
[4] UofI FB - Nov 13
[5] UofI FB - Nov 13
[6] UofI FB - Nov 13
[7] UofI FB - Nov 14
[8] UofI FB - Nov 14
[9] 4 Slain University of Idaho students are victims - ElkoDaily - Nov 14
[10] MM Instagram - Nov 11
[11] MM Instagram - Aug 22
[12] MM Instagram - Aug 16
[13] XK Instagram - Oct 29
[14] EC Instagram - May 13
[15] KG Instagram - Nov 12
[16] Moscow PD - Nov 15
[17] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet - Nov 14
[18] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[19] @NickAtNews (NYT) tweet - Nov 15
[20] Four university of Idaho Students discovered dead - Law&Crime - Nov 15
[21] @AndrewBaertlein (KTVB) tweet - Nov 14
[22] @AndrewBaertlein (KTVB) tweet - Nov 16
[23] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[24] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[25] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[26] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[27] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet THREAD - Nov 15
[28] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 15
[29] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 14
[30] @dugganreports (KTVB) tweet - Nov 15
[31] Family of alleged Moscow homicide victim remembers - Nov 14
[32] Suspect sought in U of I deaths - Idaho Statesman - Nov 15
[33] Four U of I students died in senseless act of violence - LM Tribute - Nov 14
[34] Homicide investigation underway - KHQ - Nov 15
[35] Man reportedly threatened students with knife - ISJ - Sep 15
[36] Blood oozes through walls of home - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 15
[37] University of Utah homicide victims - FoxNews - Nov 15
[38] @johnwebbtv (KHQ-TV) - Nov 16
[39] 4 Idaho students killed in 'targeted attack' - ABCNews - Nov 16
[40] Slain university of Idaho victims' parents frustrated - ABCNews - Nov 16
[41] Chilling video shows 2 of the 4 - DailyMail (TABLOID) - Nov 16
[42] Extended interview with the family of Kaylee Goncalves VIDEO - KHQ - Nov 15
[43] Idaho College Students murdered in 'Crime of Passion' VIDEO - Inside Edition - Nov 16
[44] Police investigation narrows to search for combat-style knife - Idaho Statesman - Nov 16
[45] Latah County Coroner says all four students killed near University of Idaho were victims - KREM - Nov 15
[46] @estherbower_TV (KXLY) tweet - Nov 16
[47] Moscow Police Dept Press Conference - Nov 16

MOOs:
I was very surprised to hear that the roommates were home but uninjured and not part of a hostage situation. It was EC's mother who stated that the 911 call was placed by a friend who did not live at the home (LINK). It was also stated that the crime scene was particularly gruesome on the "upper levels" of the residence (LINK). If there were two bedrooms on each floor (LINK) and we know that EC was found on the second level (LINK), were the unharmed roommates on the ground floor and just assumed that the roommates were sleeping in after a late night? Maybe this other "friend" was supposed to meet someone, came over to their house when they didn't answer their phones, and happened to be the first person up the stairs. Could the culprit have entered and/or left via the second-floor balcony, leaving the first-floor roommates none the wiser?

 

[technicallymissing]

They are saying it's a targeted attack because there were other housemates in the house who were not attacked. Chief of police just confirmed this. They were not held hostage, presumably they were asleep until midday and called in the murder when they woke up and discovered it. They must be the women in blankets who were crying outside.

Did they say that the reason they believe it was a targeted attack was because the 2 other housemates were not attacked? I'll have to watch it back but I thought "why do you believe it was a targeted attack" and "was anyone else home" were separate questions

 

[caradana]

It would be a very unusual offender who lived in the house and stayed another 8 hours to be around for LE’s discovery of the bodies. That theory doesn’t pass Occam’s Razor to me. The college kids who slept till noon theory might. The idea that they may have been locked into a room or a section of the house, without their phones, might. But I believe other theories hold more water.

I’m hopeful the FBI is asking Insta and TikTok for IP hits to all of their pages and then corresponding the data back to networks and owners. I’m looking for a frequent visitor to the pages, someone who was revisiting the same pictures and clips over an extended period of time. Stalker profile.

Combat knife, looking at all veterans within 20 miles, first up the dishonorably discharged.

I’m also getting security cameras installed in my home across the country from Idaho. We’re in the age of big data, these systems work well and are cheap, it’s time for me to be my family and neighbors’ keeper and have footage to hand to LE if something happens within sight of my home. Look what a difference it made with Moriah Wilson’s case, among many other examples. What a difference it (hopefully will, if any film exists) could make here.

 

[scdiv]

Is it possible one of the roommates was the unconscious person?

Answering my own question--- likely not as there doesn't seem to have been an ambulance. Hmm.

Wonder if a news agency will file a PIR for the 911 call. It seems that is key and I would like to know if dispatch messed it up, or was called in that way. That is a big disconnect.

Didn't we have a report in the news that it was a friend that called 911, not a roommate? So, if true not even the roommates called? Someone help clear that up for me. I am confused.

Wasn't it Ethan's mother who was quoted as a friend who called 911? Ethan didn't live in the house (correct?) so the mother may have been referring to the person who called 911 as a friend, not his roommate. jmo.

 

[Lusitana]

With Ossolya Gaal, her son upstairs slept right through the bloody attack.

Not only did he sleep through the attack, but the poor kid also slept through the removal of the body from the home. So, very possible that nobody heard anything here either.

 

[DatelineFan]

I'm really curious why the identity of the 911 caller is being kept from the public.
That seems odd to me.
Unless they're a possible suspect?

I think they’re a key witness in this case. They want to protect this person and keep the media circus away from them

 

[therealtroutbum]

Certainly the chief said " suspect" not suspects..
<modsnip: not victim friendly / discussing information without providing a link>

 

[cheetostock]

Just to clarify, my comment that it was crazy to hear others were home was not in any way an insinuation (the opposite, in fact). It just throws off the way I’d imagined things went.

 

[cvaldez1975]

He just now said other people were home at the time of the attack but not a hostage situation and they were not injured.

WHAT!!!!

 

[chipwhitley]

So they believe the victims were targeted. 2 of them were at a party and 2 of them were at a bar so the “reason” for the murders did not happen that night since they were not all together. The murderer was angry about something that happened previously. IF they were targeted.