ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Died in Apparent Homicide, Moscow, 13 Nov 2022

[airyberry]

Four students were killed, two of them staying in one bedroom. So that leaves three other bedrooms in this six bedroom house where no one was killed. If this was a targeted attack as LE has indicated, it almost seems that the attacker went from room to room killing until he found who he was looking for. If he knew exactly where to go, he would have gone there right away, I would think.

Do we have a link that says that Ethan was killed on a different floor from the other three? I keep seeing that said but I must have missed where it came from.

Was everyone in the house in a sor/frat? They were found at noon, but when were they attacked? Were the others even home when it happened? I wonder if there were events some of them would attend at that time but not the others. I think the answers are in the details in this case, which we sadly don't have very many of.

 

[Imby001]

Four students were killed, two of them staying in one bedroom. So that leaves three other bedrooms in this six bedroom house where no one was killed. If this was a targeted attack as LE has indicated, it almost seems that the attacker went from room to room killing until he found who he was looking for. If he knew exactly where to go, he would have gone there right away, I would think.

Do we have a link that says that Ethan was killed on a different floor from the other three? I keep seeing that said but I must have missed where it came from.

Why is it assumed he killed one at a time? Or they needed to over power anyone? Seems lot easier he could have been there earlier, a friend maybe or ok...a stranger, tied them all up and then... at some point killed them.

 

[Retired_grumpy_bastard]

I notice that the Zillow listing says “no pets allowed.” Earlier, someone said Kaylee had a dog (shown on Tik Tok?). Perhaps the dog wasn’t staying there and didn’t raise an alarm. Could this be something the attacker knew?

You made a very valid point! You also make me wonder if perhaps the dog was there, maybe the dog knew the killer. Therefore, the dog might not have barked. The killer might have even gone as far as giving the dog a treat or some food. Maybe petted the dog, so it wouldn’t bark.

I think back to my own college days. I was pretty irresponsible, at times. If I had a dog, which I didn’t, I probably would have brought it in the house anyway. Yes, I was an immature, little jerk. These kids sound like they were a lot better than I was, when I was their age.

 

[Lilibet]

Was everyone in the house in a sor/frat? They were found at noon, but when were they attacked? Were the others even home when it happened? I wonder if there were events some of them would attend at that time but not the others. I think the answers are in the details in this case, which we sadly don't have very many of.

Yes, the victims were all in sor/frat per the university. LE has said they were killed between 3 and 4 a.m IIRC. We don’t know if the others were home.

Four University of Idaho Students Discovered Dead in Off-Campus Home 'Believed to Be Victims of Homicide'

Four students at the University of Idaho were killed inside an off-campus house with police saying they believe the students to be victims of homicide.

lawandcrime.com

Ethan, a freshman from Mount Vernon, Washington, was a member of Sigma Chi fraternity majoring in recreation, sport and tourism management in the College of Education, Health and Human Sciences.

Xana was a junior from Post Falls majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics. She was a member of Pi Beta Phi sorority.

Madison was a senior majoring in marketing in the College of Business and Economics. She was a member of the Pi Beta Phi sorority and was from Coeur d’Alene.

Kaylee, from Rathdrum, was a senior majoring in general studies in the College of Letters, Arts and Social Sciences. She was a member of the Alpha Phi sorority.

 

[Imby001]

Was everyone in the house in a sor/frat? They were found at noon, but when were they attacked? Were the others even home when it happened? I wonder if there were events some of them would attend at that time but not the others. I think the answers are in the details in this case, which we sadly don't have very many of.

They were dead between 3 and 4am PST. They were real adamant about knowing the time of death. Course nothing saying when killing started. Imo also seems to be they have a lot of info on the suspect, maybe camera footage etc. Odd how that apt bldg next door seemed just as many didn't want to answer questions as who didn't hear or see anything .

What's the deal with the new Range rover? Thought I saw it mentioned here for some reason.

 

[Lilibet]

Why is it assumed he killed one at a time? Or they needed to over power anyone? Seems lot easier he could have been there earlier, a friend maybe or ok...a stranger, tied them all up and then... at some point killed them.

I believe LE has said they were in their rooms when they were killed. (I can’t look for a link right now) We assume they were asleep, so that’s why I theorized he went from room to room.

 

[Lilibet]

You made a very valid point! You also make me wonder if perhaps the dog was there, maybe the dog knew the killer. Therefore, the dog might not have barked. The killer might have even gone as far as giving the dog a treat or some food. Maybe petted the dog, so it wouldn’t bark.

I think back to my own college days. I was pretty irresponsible, at times. If I had a dog, which I didn’t, I probably would have brought it in the house anyway. Yes, I was an immature, little jerk. These kids sound like they were a lot better than I was, when I was their age.

LOL My dh and I had a couple of cats in a no pets apartment as newly-weds just out of college, so no judgement from me. It’s certainly possible the dog was there and either knew the person or got a treat.

 

[Imby001]

I notice that the Zillow listing says “no pets allowed.” Earlier, someone said Kaylee had a dog (shown on Tik Tok?). Perhaps the dog wasn’t staying there and didn’t raise an alarm. Could this be something the attacker knew?

Apologize upfront, only looked at this case last 2 hours, and I'm sure I missed it but I'm getting the sense reading back thru pages of comments that this was this an unknown intruder, or at least that's the consensus based on what yall know (which I barely on this because of UVA - my Alma mater()

 

[TwoLea]

Does anyone else remember a similar case probably a decade or more ago? I remember it was a younger guy who stabbed and killed several other teens or young adults in the same house. I remember us all questioning how he could’ve done it without the others hearing or the victims retaliating but I can’t think of the names/circumstances.
Both cases make my blood run cold. MOO

Elliot Rodger in California

 

[Lilibet]

Apologize upfront, only looked at this case last 2 hours, and I'm sure I missed it but I'm getting the sense reading back thru pages of comments that this was this an unknown intruder, or at least that's the consensus based on what yall know (which I barely on this because of UVA - my Alma mater()

The intruder is unknown to us. We don’t know yet if LE knows who it is. But we think it was someone known to one or more victims because LE said the attack was targeted.

You’ve had a lot going at your alma mater, so it’s understandable you’re not up to speed here. So sorry about the murders at UVA. :-(

 

[Imby001]

Elliot Rodger in Californi Rodgers killed his 2 roommates earlier in the day.

 

[Countermoon]

I don't believe it was a "crime of passion". It was an intention attack that immediately became frenzied.

 

[Imby001]

I don't believe it was a "crime of passion". It was an intention attack that immediately became frenzied.

Wasn't that said by the Mayor who then stated he had no idea and had no info from police...rather he meant it based off ME saying it was so gruesome?

 

[Countermoon]

Wasn't that said by the Mayor who then stated he had no idea and had no info from police...rather he meant it based off ME saying it was so gruesome?

He did say that, and he shouldn't have. Too early to make that assumption.

 

[Imby001]

IMO, whoever called 911 was the killer or involved. Speculation: LEO transfered them to a psych ward. After the 72 hour hold, interviewing them will be possible and they will make a press conference and file changes.

Thanks for the "break" here for an hour or so
#UVAStrong

 

[Cardgame]

What a horrific thing to happen. Thoughts and prayers with the families.

JMO but I personally find the phrase 'crime of passion' offensive, problematic and out-dated.

Surely we know enough as a society now to avoid such terminology.

The fact that this was one of the earliest messages put out is pretty worrying. I think it reeks of victim blaming and LE jumping to conclusions.

 

[Retired_grumpy_bastard]

A few things on knife attacks. A man by the name of Dennis Tueler studied knife attacks, quit a bit, back in the early 80’s. His conclusion was an assailant, in average physical condition, can close a 21 foot gap and stab an average law enforcement officer, before that officer can unholster his sidearm and fire one round.

So what does this have to do with anything? Well, knife attacks can be very fast. They can come as a surprise, from behind or in the dark. A determined attacker can do a lot of damage, very fast. This is especially true, if he’s young and in good physical condition. Maybe he understands anatomy, as well. Add some emotion and it’s probably even worse.

It wasn’t too long ago, maybe a month or so, that eight people were stabbed in Vegas, on the strip, by a man with a knife. Two died, if my memory serves me.

In France, there was a knife attack, in a church. Three people were killed.

A determined assailant, with a knife, is extremely dangerous. Many would argue at a distance of a few feet, he’s as big of a threat as an assailant, with a gun.

 

[otto]

The house is a student rental property that became a mass murder crime scene.

This is the house at 1122 King Rd, Moscow, ID.

In the first photo, we see street access/parking/main entrance. In the second photo, we can see what looks like a porch and a balcony on the second and third floors. Is the second floor porch, with the lights, where the last photos were taken?

Trying to understand the crime scene.

 

[BrownRice]

Maybe they were wearing an Apple Watch or a Garmin or Fitbit that collects heartbeat data. They would know if the heartbeat stopped at a certain point in time.

Excellent point!

 

[lilythistle]

This will be unpopular, but looked to me theres a long rusty pipe the length of the wall and an area may have been dripping for a long while. Never heard of such a thing on a regular house unless they can practically see to the outside while in. Imo

Agreed. It's hard to imagine a situation where blood from a killing inside could drip to the outside unless the house was so badly made it should have been condemned years ago. (Though I've seen the kind of house university students can afford, and "should have been condemned years ago" is pretty common I suppose.)

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