ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 43

[IceCreamSundae]

Totally agree. A lot of scholarly types or those getting their masters or PHD may present as socially awkward MOO.

And there is nothing wrong with that as 99.99% of them don’t have murderous intentions, they are just introverts and intellects. MOO but I know a lot of academics and was headed on that route myself at one point.

 

[BrownRice]

Hope you don't mind me tagging on to your post. But what if BK did not drive his car to commit the murders but later after going back to his apt and cleaning up - he drove by the scene to see if anyone had discovered his crime or for some other unknown reason.

Actually makes more sense.

 

[x_files]

Why would they be looking for that though? I’m sure they come across many students who are just genuinely interested in the field. BK may have been a socially awkward type and a bit off to some people but to then slaughter 4 people in one go is a huge unpredictable leap imo.

As an expert and instructor in that field, she must know budding serial killers who are drawn to that field and be aware of that fact. I'm sure the topics of her books have attracted some very disturbed fans.
I am curious if she did think he was a bit off. Being shy or quiet is very different than a psychopath.

 

[cuecard]

Totally agree. A lot of scholarly types or those getting their masters or PHD may present as socially awkward MOO.

I am one of them myself. I like to work alone, I am relatively introverted, I wanted to make sure I got good grades etc. Professors/teachers will see students like that in pretty much every class.

 

[KonaHonu]

... he is possibly headed for prison....

possibly????

 

[nhmemorymaker]

No, she's at Desales in Pennsylvania.
It's in your link.

So he didn't travel cross-country to study with her and we still don't know why he chose the UofW.

Attempts have been made to reach her. She has only stated that "yes, he was a student there"

 

[indicolite22]

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was a ‘creep’ around HS girls, battled heroin addiction

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was an awkward “creep” who repelled girls in high school, and reportedly discussed his struggles with heroin addiction with a college classmate.

nypost.com

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was an awkward “creep” who repelled girls in high school

“If he liked or was interested in a girl and she wasn’t, he didn’t understand why or just didn’t accept her saying no and move on and so he would have been labeled as a creep or something along those lines,”

 

[BrownRice]

Heroin.

This is being reported as fact, but it’s not. Random people saying he did heroin and went to rehab.

 

[Seattle1]

12/30/22

12/28/22

 

[Harikari]

Ressponding to this post only out of convenience. This post is to educate and and correct a huge amount of incorrect information posted here about PhD programs in general and the WSU criminology program in partitcular. Source: Graduate Studies | Department of Criminal Justice and Criminology | Washington State University

First off, graduate students generally follow the same schedule as undergrads. There are exceptions but many upper division courses at any major university will have a mix of graduate and undergraduate students so having different schedules is impractical.

Second the WSU criminology PhD program requires 72 credits, 33 of which are dissertation which is not a class, just independent research and writing. Since he already had a masters he likely would have gotten credit through transfer for 30 credits meaning he only would have had to take 3 classes at WSU in his entire PhD program. It is likely he would have needed a few more. PhD programs are usually not prescriptive and a great deal depends on your committee and advisor.

Third, WSU waives in-state tuition for PhD students and out-of-state tuition for the first year until the student establishes residency. The site above states "To qualify for resident tuition, state law requires you be a state resident for 12 months. If you are a U.S. citizen or Permanent Resident and have come to WSU from out of state, establish residency in order to avoid paying out-of-state tuition. To establish residency, get your Washington State Driver’s license within 30 days of arrival; register your car; register to vote; establish a bank account; and live in- state for one year."

So, it seems likely that BK would have done these things. Are we certain the car was registered to mom and had PA plates?

According to 2023 Best Criminology Doctor's Degree Schools, WSU Pullman is the 7th highest ranked criminology phd program in the country.

I don't know why there is so much mystery/debate/speculation about why BK chose WSU. Top program, free, he's a smart guy.

He was a Teaching Assistant and had his own office ‍

 

[gizmobtj]

Explain the DNA under the victims fingernails and in their separate bedrooms
AIMOO

Yes, hard to explain IF that's where it came from and I'm betting it's not

 

[Harikari]

So, no prior girlfriends coming forward.

I think one of the girls rebuffed him. Maybe both. And that’s why he ’chose’ them. Another Incel I’m afraid.

 

[Charlot123]

I hope BK’s defense doesn’t use SG’s comment of a “connection” between the two as an explanation for his DNA being at the house. Her dad is grieving, and I can’t even begin to imagine what he is going through, but not sure comments like these will help the case.

The threads are moving so fast that this is sort of old news now (lol), but going back to the link to the frat house and parties. I’m a TA myself, and the joke around my department is that once you become a TA, you immediately lose access to any bar known as an undergrad hotspot. I’m not a bar frequenter myself, but apparently seeing your TA sucks the life right out the room . That lengthy diatribe is just to say, not really sure BK would have frequented a lot of undergrad frat soirées and met the victims there. MOO.

Idaho victim's father says she had CONNECTIONS to suspected killer

Steve Goncalves, father of Kaylee, 21, said his family has found connections between the University of Idaho student and suspect Bryan Kohberger, who was arrested on Friday.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Agree. I doubt there was any connection short of walking past him in a bar, maybe. Dad is grieving and can't cope with this horrible randomness of his daughter's death. Anyone can imagine how awful it is. But I agree with you, I doubt there was a connection between this creep and KG. She had a BF, she was popular, she had many interests. Sadly, I think the hugest connection was the party (not protected with alarm) house with several women in it. ((( But - BK might have been stalking lots of female houses.

 

[kittythehare]

Irrelevant to proving guilt.

It is but it might provide a base for a connection.
I don't actually believe this is the case here though.
Her Dad said she knew a lot about trafficked children so we wondered whether she might have become too close to a case at the beginning, before the alleged perp was named.

 

[xtrain]

If BK or his family used toll roads a lot in PA there may have been a transponder to signal the toll booths and allow someone to drive thru without stopping. I was unaware until I just looked but it looks like it can be activated in other states as well. I’m posting a link about it with the map showing the states included in the system

E-ZPass Group - About E-ZPass

www.e-zpassiag.com

As PA resident (who actually drove the PA Tpk today! ) I can tell you that transponders are being phased out, if they haven’t been already. I still have a transponder in my center console, but I don’t have to use it any longer. When you go through the tollbooth, your license plate is recorded and the Tpk Comm (or whomever - IDK because DH handles ours) just bills you.

 

[gizmobtj]

Authorities tracked the Idaho student killings suspect cross-country to Pennsylvania, sources say | CNN

Authorities tracked the man charged in the killings of four Idaho college students all the way to Pennsylvania and surveilled him for several days before finally arresting him on Friday, sources told CNN.

www.cnn.com

“His father actually went out (to Idaho) and they drove home together,” LaBar said.

I'm glad you took notice of that fact, too, @Chelly. Wow, I don't know what to make of that. Sounds like a close bond. What are we to make of that? Extremely interested in why the father went out to Idaho to drive back home with him. Did he tell his father on the way back across all those miles? The neighbor across the street sounded shocked, so I imagine some of his family are shocked as well.​

Parents do this all the time in my neck of the woods

 

[Harikari]

Not sure that would be enough to sway a jury with 2 surviving roommates likely saying they’d never seen or heard tell of him.

I don’t think it’s that kind of connection. I think it’s a social media connection - instagram, where the girls put up gorgeous picture.

 

[SuziQ]

Sheer speculation, but from the photos it definitely looks as though he has a deviated septum. Could be from snorting something.

He took up boxing as a hobby.

 

[cuecard]

As an expert and instructor in that field, she must know budding serial killers who are drawn to that field and be aware of that fact. I'm sure the topics of her books have attracted some very disturbed fans.
I am curious if she did think he was a bit off. Being shy or quiet is very different than a psychopath.

She will know people will be attracted to the field for nefarious reasons to be fair but if BK came across as just a socially awkward/loner student type then she will likely have taught a lot of students who presented in the exact same way who didn’t go on to kill 4 students. Maybe something did happen and she did suspect something but if it didn’t then I’m not sure how she was supposed to know. Some people can be incredibly convincing at hiding certain parts of themselves.

 

[drmrgrl]

Intellectual? Genius?

He drove 2000 miles to murder people (mostly of a demographic that tends to get a lot of attention when murdered - in other words, would have a lot of LE resources and general attention) in one of only 4 states in the country that not only does not permit the insanity defense*, but also permits the death penalty even if someone is deemed "guilty but insane." He's been arrested within a month-and-a-half because he drove most of the way across the country to a place his car and ID would almost certainly have stood out for the out-of-state aspect and the distance. He apparently used a car associateable with him while accessing gas stations modern enough (like most) to be video-capturing cars and plates of every single vehicle that swings through.

This man is not a genius; he's not even smart or clever. I doubt that his version of meticulous planning some seem to believe he undertook is much more than perhaps dwelling on certain details, possibly obsessively if the OCD thing is accurate clinically. Clearly he did not design a foolproof plan and if it was hyper-detailed, it appears he lacked the ability to discern what was most important and to think through potential flaws, because he missed a big one.

* mental condition can be considered but only to the extent of whether the defendant knew they were committing a crime (seemingly obviously not an issue here); the example the Supreme Court has given, iirc, for an example of the mental state that would meet the standard was someone killing someone they believed to be a wolf.

IMO, whatever happened to “ innocent until proven guilty”. It could very well be possible that LE arrested the big cheese to get to the little dirty rat.