ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 45

[jcamh]

We won’t know whether he said that until trial, if then, if it’s deemed relevant and/or admissible.
I haven’t seen that quote reported by any of the big media.
Anonymous sources can give the media information from a game of telephone, in other words, gossip. Some media don’t confirm the information from their sources, they just report it. Maybe it’s a limited staff issue or maybe it’s just for the clicks, or both.
Some media certainly reported its fair share of gossip and rumors in this case, some sourced straight from social media, all of it we now know to be untrue.

As mentioned previously, I am in PR and work with the media. The way that reporters will air rumors or unverified information is by attributing it to another source. It's the - I'm just reporting what they said - defense. Example: XYZ station says: FOX news is reporting that BK's relative said..........". Then, the reporter will say, "We have reached out to BK's relative to verify that information, but they have not gotten back to us." So, the reporters have covered themselves from being the source of information that could be untrue, slanderous, unethical, etc.

Another example of what I have seen happening in the media with this case is - A reporter says......there is a discussion online about the possibility of the killer being ................ Then, the reporter will say, "What do you think?" This covers the reporter because they are attributing the source of the information to someone else and saying it may or may not be true and inviting their audience to weigh in on the discussion.

 

[victax888]

The key in a successful moving vehicle surveillance always includes multiple cars utilizing a leapfrog and relay techniques. The very last thing you would want is the subject recognizing your vehicle in their rear view mirror.
And, yes, no way would LE taint their case by putting a tracker on a vehicle illegally.

The 9th Circuit Court ruling regarding LE not requiring a warrant was specific in it's ruling inasmuch as it applied to a PAROLEE....as far as all the information cleaned on this site to date BK isn't a parolee and a warrant would have to have been obtained....see files

 

[katydid23]

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Also, his parents declared bankruptcy during that time. So I think he had a lot of difficulties socially/emotionally in childhood.

Then he suddenly lost 100 lbs in summer before senior year, by learning to box. And friends said he became a bully himself and was aggressive and angry.

<modsnip - off topi> Bullied when he felt insecure about himself, then angry and resentful when he began to feel arrogant, instead?

 

[Charlot123]

I don't know if this has been posted in this thread yet - apologies if it has..

https://twitter.com/x/status/1609711930297708544

Same thought. BTK obviously wasn’t thinking of what kind of a future he was creating for his daughter. Hedonistic, self-serving criminals, these guys.

 

[Helechawagirl]

If he just threw it in the trash anywhere, it’s at the dump already under and mixed with tons of garbage.

Perhaps at a rest stop or gas station somewhere on the route home.

 

[Miss T Ruth Hunter]

This was a good read:

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/accused-university-of-idaho-killer-bryan-kohberger-was-creep-to-girls-at-school-former-classmates-allege/news-story/147afb65411afd1dea02d84538e04bb8?amp

Oh crap !!? ( not you the MO behind this) ouch is this another "in cell" nooooo arrrgghhh just a tear leaks from my eyes right now .. prison of his own ego .. lashes out on peers .. this is too much

 

[katydid23]

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Have you seen his childhood pictures. He was very chubby from elementary through junior year of high school. He was bullied and made fun of and his parents declared bankruptcy.

So that must have been a very emotionally turbulent time for him. Friends said it all changed quickly.

Suddenly, in the summer before his senior year, he went on an extreme mission and lost almost 100 lbs, by running and taking boxing lessons. He did begin taking care of himself physically by running and working out---but he also became angry and aggressive, even towards his friends.

They also described how he treated women during his college years and during work. He reportedly was aggressive and rude when they resisted his advances. He was socially awkward and then became angry in response.

<modsnip - off topic> IMO

 

[Curious Me]

MOO, and my own thoughts.
Even before the crimes he was acting tired and worn out. I don't know if it was because he was obsessed with thoughts to do these horrible crimes. He might've been having a hard time keeping his mind on his studies because he was intrusively preoccupied with seething thoughts. So tired before the crimes... very interested to learn if he was targeting one of them, and watching and waiting.

I'm sure the murdering of the four students took a toll on the killer in some ways. This describes someone who wasn't sleeping well at all. After he actually committed the crimes, perhaps he felt on edge like impeding doom of an arrest could be right around the corner and was chattier from sheer nerves and an attempt to act "normal".

He kept it together enough in his behavior to go undetected though. Might've even drove all across country with his Dad and managed to not raise red flags. So, he has the ability to be guileful. JMOO​

Classmate: Accused Idaho killer got ‘chatty’ after students’ deaths

A grad student classmate of the alleged Idaho killer said his behavior changed after the deaths.

www.newsnationnow.com

“I did notice he was showing up to class a little late sometimes, he always had a coffee in hand, he always seemed to be just perpetually exhausted,” said Roberts, who was also a graduate student studying criminal justice at Washington State University.

“Bryan seemed like he was on the knife’s edge between exhaustion and worn out and at the time it was extremely difficult to tell which was which,” Roberts said.

However, after the deaths of Kaylee Goncalves, Madison Mogen, Xana Kernodle and Ethan Chapin, Roberts said Kohberger became chattier and more social.

“He did seem to get a little chattier going into the later parts of the term,” Roberts said.

Roberts said the kind of stress and exhaustion he typically saw in Kohberger can be typical for grad students. It didn’t raise any red flags because he said Kohberger didn’t appear to be falling apart in other ways.

MOO and BBM​

 

[everybodhi]

<modsnip - off topic>. He was pretty overweight in middle school and first 3 years of high school. And friends say he was bullied.

Also, his parents declared bankruptcy during that time. So I think he had a lot of difficulties socially/emotionally in childhood.

Then he suddenly lost 100 lbs in summer before senior year, by learning to box. And friends said he became a bully himself and was aggressive and angry.

<modsnip - off topic> Bullied when he felt insecure about himself, then angry and resentful when he began to feel arrogant, instead?

Yeah, it’s not much of a leap.
A lot of classmates have spoken with media, still no news of any girlfriend? Ever?

Unlocked NYT’s article
The fellow student, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared that speaking publicly could jeopardize his safety, described Mr. Kohberger as the black sheep of the class, often taking contrarian viewpoints and sometimes getting into arguments with his peers, particularly women.

The classmate recalled one instance in which Mr. Kohberger began explaining a somewhat elementary criminology concept to a fellow doctoral student, who then accused him of “mansplaining.” A heated back-and-forth ensued and the doctoral student eventually stormed out of the classroom, he said.

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was a ‘creep’ around HS girls
“If he liked or was interested in a girl and she wasn’t, he didn’t understand why or just didn’t accept her saying no and move on and so he would have been labeled as a creep or something along those lines”

Another classmate, Sarah Healey, told Fox that Kohberger was bullied by high school girls, who would even throw things at him.
Healey said that treatment might have been a motivating factor for Kohberger.

After his weight loss, he reportedly went from victim to aggressor, classmates said.

 

[Ladyotm]

They don't even need that. Putting victims DNA in contact with his DNA and /or their DNA in his car or on anything he possessed is a good starting point.

BK could have purchased the murder weapon from a knife and gun show. I don't believe he would have used a credit card or any other way that he could be tracked. I believe he has it stashed somewhere.

 

[Miss T Ruth Hunter]

Yeah, it’s not much of a leap.
A lot of classmates have spoken with media, still no news of any girlfriend? Ever?

Unlocked NYT’s article
The fellow student, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because he feared that speaking publicly could jeopardize his safety, described Mr. Kohberger as the black sheep of the class, often taking contrarian viewpoints and sometimes getting into arguments with his peers, particularly women.

The classmate recalled one instance in which Mr. Kohberger began explaining a somewhat elementary criminology concept to a fellow doctoral student, who then accused him of “mansplaining.” A heated back-and-forth ensued and the doctoral student eventually stormed out of the classroom, he said.

Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger was a ‘creep’ around HS girls
“If he liked or was interested in a girl and she wasn’t, he didn’t understand why or just didn’t accept her saying no and move on and so he would have been labeled as a creep or something along those lines”

Another classmate, Sarah Healey, told Fox that Kohberger was bullied by high school girls, who would even throw things at him.
Healey said that treatment might have been a motivating factor for Kohberger.

After his weight loss, he reportedly went from victim to aggressor, classmates said.

He was a victim of his own ego.

 

[Ladyotm]

Something tells me he kept it. As a trophy.

And put it in a place where he could secretly pull it out and look at it and relive the crimes he committed with it.

My hunch only.

I agree. He probably took photos of his bloodied self and the crime scene.

 

[Elley Mae]

Kohberger's childhood friend, Thomas, spoke to ABC News, describing the Idaho murder suspect as "mean" in high school, saying Kohberger was eager to be seen as dominant.
"He would, like, grapple me and like, put me in headlocks and arm bars and stuff like that," Thomas said.

Kohberger's lawyer said Bryan's father flew from his home in the Poconos to Washington state for a pre-planned cross country road trip back home to Pennsylvania in that white Hyundai Elantra.

"Driving cross country took them about two and a half days. Mr. Kohberger indicated that Bryan was acting normal and not out of character during that drive from Washington," the lawyer said.

Bryan Kohberger's childhood friend reveals new details about Idaho murders suspect

Now, a childhood friend is revealing new details about the 28-year-old graduate student accused in the brutal stabbings.

6abc.com

 

[katydid23]

BK could have purchased the murder weapon from a knife and gun show. I don't believe he would have used a credit card or any other way that he could be tracked. I believe he has it stashed somewhere.

I hope he did stash the weapon somewhere in Pullman area. He was arrogant enough and careless enough to drive his own car to the crime scene, and to do a major slaughter, so close to his home ands work that neighbours and coworkers are likely to call in a tip about him, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did stash it close by.

 

[Sillybilly]

ADMIN NOTE:

Move on from the incel discussion folks. It is strictly speculation not based on any known fact and other members and guests don't come here to read the same discussion/debate over and over again.

Thank you.

 

[Elley Mae]

Questions in Kohberger's research survey via DeSales University included:

How did you travel to and enter the location where the crime occurred?
After arriving, what steps did you take prior to locating the victim or target? Please detail your thoughts and feelings.
Why did you choose that victim or target over others?
Before making your move, how did you approach the victim or target? Please detail what you were thinking and feeling.
What was the first move you made in order to accomplish your goal? Please detail any thoughts and feelings at this point.
Before leaving, is there anything else you did?
How did you leave the scene?
After committing the crime, what were you thinking and feeling?

Who is Bryan Kohberger? What we know about the suspect arrested in connection to Moscow homicides

A man was arrested in Pennsylvania in connection to the ongoing quadruple homicide investigation out of Moscow, Idaho.

www.kivitv.com

 

[Miss T Ruth Hunter]

I hope he did stash the weapon somewhere in Pullman area. He was arrogant enough and careless enough to drive his own car to the crime scene, and to do a major slaughter, so close to his home ands work that neighbours and coworkers are likely to call in a tip about him, so it wouldn't surprise me if he did stash it close by.

depends .. he could have given it away as " ceremony " seems they are all about -- cough cough brotherhood.

 

[Sandy007]

Reminding me of Father Brown, "Where does a wise man hide a pebble? On the beach....Where does a wise man hide a leaf? In the forest".

So I don't know much about Kbar knives, but an intelligent man - either in a collection, or among someone's cutlery?

Toolbox. Among clothes in a large box, suitcase. Roof, attic - around beams. Taped to the rear wall of large frame of painting, mirror.
Taped to a concealed wall of a shed or a building, not necessarily inside.
Taped to concealed tree, pole

Taped to the bottom of small cabinet, drawer.

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

Hi @BeachSky and WSers:

A warrant is needed to put GPS tracker on car. The site you linked is not a reliable source for legal opinion IMO JMO. That company sells GPS tracking equipment. FieldLogix™ GPS Fleet Tracking, Dashcams, Dispatching for 20 yrs

Also, that article was really misleading IMO and didn't cite the decision.

I found the 9th circuit case and this explains the narrow scope of that decision:

United States v. Pineda-Moreno - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Bad News On Warrantless GPS Tracking | News & Commentary | American Civil Liberties Union

www.aclu.org

the “good faith” exception, ruling that when the tracking took place, law enforcement agents reasonably relied on binding circuit court precedent in concluding that no warrant was necessary. The tracking happened before the Supreme Court issued its decision in United States v. Jones that GPS device tracking triggers Fourth Amendment protections.

BUT

United States v. Pineda-Moreno was reversed and remanded by the SCOTUS in light of United States v. Jones.

https://www.aclu-wa.org/blog/gps-tracking-our-state-police-need-warrant

SCOTUS ruled in US v Jones 2012 that warrant is required, so that's for all states, though state courts may refine and and increased protections/requirements (and WA has greater expectation of privacy)

United States v. Jones (2012) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

UNITED STATES v. JONES

www.law.cornell.edu

 

[Miss T Ruth Hunter]

Doesn't FEMA have overruling on safety ?? https://www.fema.gov/sites/default/files/2020-04/National_Protection_Framework2nd-june2016.pdf