ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 48

[linds1393]

Is there still 24 hour watch on the house?

 

[SteveP]

While most people here probably believe he is guilty of horrendously murdering four young people in the prime of their lives, it is a proven fact. Allegedly murdered would be more appropriate at this point in time.

I believe you left out an intended 'not' in your post.

 

[cottonweaver]

Most criminologists would be aware that soil evidence on their car could tie them to a crime. And it can. I'm pretty sure that the soils in that little neighborhood have unique markers, as most dirt does. LE appears to think they have tire tracks as well.

Right now, they're going to sample all that dirt, in layers, and reconstruct some of where that car has been. It's possible he got it that dirty in just 3-4 days of travel and that it was (relatively) clean before, but gosh, that dirt really looked ancient to me, as if it had gone through several cycles of damp and dry and was basically baked on there. And I know something about having a dirty car, that's for sure.

LE was checking with local carwashes regularly, so he would have had to organize his own car exterior clean-up (he might have, we don't know). Hard to say about the interior. I would love to see the state of the trunk, but that cheery task goes to the investigators in PA.

I am guessing the car will stay in PA and eventually be returned to its owner(s), but it could provide good evidence that he'd been over in Moscow quite a bit and even specific evidence that he had parked near that house with its specific soil profile. That's bad news for him, on top of everything else.

Jo Scott Morgan mentioned this in a few clips yesterday but he could easily find a credible reason for having King Road soil on his vehicle.

Geo fencing showing he's been in immediate vicinity of King Road every night for a week, for hours will be much harder to explain away

 

[smeck]

I am expecting to hear about an interest in knives or a knife collection from past acquaintances.

 

[Jealoushe]

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Idaho murders: PA police say 'force was used' when search warrant was executed at Kohberger home

Pennsylvania police say "force was used" when law enforcement executed a search warrant in the arrest of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger on Dec. 30.

www.foxnews.com

"Law enforcement officials broke windows and doors when executing an overnight search warrant in the arrest of Idaho quadruple murder suspect Bryan Kohberger, Pennsylva police said Tuesday...."​

So would they not let LE in??

 

[AngTxGal]

Most criminologists would be aware that soil evidence on their car could tie them to a crime. And it can. I'm pretty sure that the soils in that little neighborhood have unique markers, as most dirt does. LE appears to think they have tire tracks as well.

Right now, they're going to sample all that dirt, in layers, and reconstruct some of where that car has been. It's possible he got it that dirty in just 3-4 days of travel and that it was (relatively) clean before, but gosh, that dirt really looked ancient to me, as if it had gone through several cycles of damp and dry and was basically baked on there. And I know something about having a dirty car, that's for sure.

LE was checking with local carwashes regularly, so he would have had to organize his own car exterior clean-up (he might have, we don't know). Hard to say about the interior. I would love to see the state of the trunk, but that cheery task goes to the investigators in PA.

I am guessing the car will stay in PA and eventually be returned to its owner(s), but it could provide good evidence that he'd been over in Moscow quite a bit and even specific evidence that he had parked near that house with its specific soil profile. That's bad news for him, on top of everything else.

It is my understanding that criminologists studying trends and crime statistics, for the purpose of prevention, city planning, policy making and such.
That body of knowledge is different from the science of crime scene investigation.

Soil markers may well be present in the parking lot at the home of the victims, and many locations in Moscow, along his drive home to Pullman, and from WA to PA. It was in his control for many days before it was on anyone’s radar.

It is the inside of the car, and his apartment that I’m expecting to be rich in evidence he is unaware exists. My expectation is that it will be scoured for evidence, which will take some time.

JMO

 

[Dialectic]

I believe you left out an intended 'not' in your post.

Thank you. I have corrected the post.

 

[WildWest]

Yeh. Why in the world didn’t he wash his car in PA? Wait, I’m thinking out loud. Maybe he did in between his traffic stops and the arrest : /

I hope not because there was a lot of grime built up on that car

Western states use calcium chloride instead of sand/salt, even a short trip on the highway coats all cars and they driven much longer than a short trip, not unusual at all. Both the driver's tires and others on the road send up that dirty calchlor water on eachother.

 

[PriorTheCreator]

I am expecting to hear about an interest in knives or a knife collection from past acquaintances.

It'll be like clockwork

 

[DizzyB]

Yes, it would. Reminiscent of a bruise I got when I cracked a small bone in a similar position - not on my hand, thankfully, but on my foot. The darker fading circle (that I think I see in that photo) would be the point of impact (maybe dropped something heavy on his hand? maybe struck his hand sharply with something? or somebody else did?)

The way my bruise went is that at first, there was just the dark circle, then a larger area turned purple, then gradually, became lighter bruising in an oval pattern around the area where I struck it (the original bruise remained darker). Took weeks for the color to go entirely back to normal, which I remember because it was summer and I was embarrassed about it. It also hurt like heck.

My atlas of such injuries is unfortunately a few dozen miles away right now.

Typically such a bruise is only vaguely visible at 3 weeks, but with infrared and other forensic photography techniques, its outlines can be better seen, even if the surface of the hand is almost entirely healed (say, pale yellow).

It will be looked at closely by people with the means to figure it out. If they determine it's a bruise or some scrapes (on his wrist), he is going to be asked about them. He can either take the 5th or say how he got them. Could be some more recent injury, for sure. Or none at all (although the wrist thing is really weird).

Would the photos be taken as soon as he was arrested in PA, or would it wait until he was back in Idaho?

 

[PriorTheCreator]

While most people here probably believe he is guilty of horrendously murdering four young people in the prime of their lives, it is not a proven fact. Allegedly murdered would be more appropriate at this point in time.

fine, his DNA was positively matched to the murder scene.
DNA means something, I dont think people can retcon how accurate it is.

 

[schooling]

So would they not let LE in??

Brutally stabbing 4 innocent college students to death in the middle of the night? You're not going to knock.

His parents are lucky they still have a front to their house.

 

[crhedBngr]

At this stage, BK’s arrest may have prevented more killings IMO. No one knows what he is capable of doing; his Nov. 13 actions proved that. I believe the traffic stops were welfare stops to make sure Daddy-O safe. I wouldn’t want to be alone with BK. I feel for his parents, it’s a sad situation. IMHO

RBBM

I agree. And, it bothered the heck out of me that he was driving.

JMVHO.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

As far as posts here wondering if BK had relationships with women, this is the only mention of women he was seen with since he moved to to WA last Fall that has been in MSM, AFAIK:

"The neighbor, who asked to remain anonymous, told The Post Sunday that Kohberger usually kept to himself but could always be heard at odd hours.

“He’s normally a very late-night person, going to the bathroom and vacuuming at 1 or 12 in the morning,” she said. “I have kids, so sometimes I thought of speaking to him or complaining, but never did.

“It seemed like he never slept because he was always doing something all night.”
... [...] ...

She said she once saw someone who looked like another young female student get out of Kohberger’s white car, but they parted ways and went to their own apartments.

The neighbor, also a graduate student, said she and the accused killer would say hello to each other in passing, and she once heard Kohberger bring a woman home. She didn’t see the woman, but the walls are thin, so she heard Kohberger and the woman talking."

Accused University of Idaho murderer Bryan Kohberger ‘never slept’

 

[Elley Mae]

Idaho murders: PA police say 'force was used' when search warrant was executed at Kohberger home

Idaho murders: PA police say 'force was used' when search warrant was executed at Kohberger home

Pennsylvania police say "force was used" when law enforcement executed a search warrant in the arrest of Idaho murder suspect Bryan Kohberger on Dec. 30.

www.foxnews.com

Paris said that preparations for the search warrants execution began on the evening of Dec. 29, and added that around 50 "tactical assets" were on scene.

 

[Past Mortem]

So would they not let LE in??

IMO this would be a standard entrance for LE in a case such as this. Politely knocking and waiting for someone to answer would give the POI ample time to do god knows what. Barging into the house in the middle of the night while everyone is fast asleep is in itself a tactic to ensure the POI doesn’t harm themselves, arm themselves or destroy evidence.

 

[rahod1]

People reporting tips aren't going to care about the nuisances and tiny differences between a 2011-2013 and a 2015. The average person probably wouldn't even be able to point them out.

Also, I doubt LE would say "hey.....this is a 2015 so we're not going to forward this info to the Moscow police"

Exactly...the average person would simply report any white Elantra that looked a lot like the picture posted. Having said this, I'm surprised LE LIMITED the range to 2011-2013...when they could have easily extended the range, given how CLOSELY the 2015 resembles the earlier ranges given. One possible reason could be that they KNEW it was a 2015 (or had BK's 2015 under surveillance) and wanted to give the killer a false sense of security.

 

[Erutan]

fine, his DNA was positively matched to the murder scene.
DNA means something, I dont think people can retcon how accurate it is.

Agreed . ^^^

Thankful as always that there are the two survivors !!!!!
They can tell -- and may be called to testify -- that he was not a visitor there at the house (assuming, as there's no social links afaik ?) , and thus his dna shouldn't have been there ?
How is his defense going to work around this one ?
I'm sorry for how this has and will continue to impact their lives.
I'm grateful for my own life that had some speed bumps, but was completely uneventful crime-wise ; what a burden these young people have to carry !
Hope the pain will ease a bit for them as this case moves forward.

 

[EBW321]

Regarding all the speculation of the BOLO. A BOLO is a be on the look for. I'm sure there was a BOLO, IMO, issued, just for informational purposes to LE across the country on the suspected path of travel of the suspect. IMO LE in Indiana may have conducted the traffic stop(s) to slow the suspect down and let the surveillance teams coordinate their pass offs and pic- ups, per FBI request, or whomever was coordinating the surveillance. One officer, on a stretch of highway deciding to stop a vehicle, which happens to be one of the most talked about in weeks, without knowing it is the subject of a manhunt is incomprehensible. If that's the case, send that rookie back to the academy, JMO.

I think you are correct.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Most criminologists would be aware that soil evidence on their car could tie them to a crime. And it can. I'm pretty sure that the soils in that little neighborhood have unique markers, as most dirt does. LE appears to think they have tire tracks as well.

Right now, they're going to sample all that dirt, in layers, and reconstruct some of where that car has been. It's possible he got it that dirty in just 3-4 days of travel and that it was (relatively) clean before, but gosh, that dirt really looked ancient to me, as if it had gone through several cycles of damp and dry and was basically baked on there. And I know something about having a dirty car, that's for sure.

LE was checking with local carwashes regularly, so he would have had to organize his own car exterior clean-up (he might have, we don't know). Hard to say about the interior. I would love to see the state of the trunk, but that cheery task goes to the investigators in PA.

I am guessing the car will stay in PA and eventually be returned to its owner(s), but it could provide good evidence that he'd been over in Moscow quite a bit and even specific evidence that he had parked near that house with its specific soil profile. That's bad news for him, on top of everything else.

So, is the inside dirty?