ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Bryan Kohberger Arrested - Moscow # 49

[passionflower]

Boxing? Hit a wall?

 

[Nila Aella]

They will almost certainly release it at the time of his arraignment (is he having a preliminary hearing? do we know?)

And it will be released online for us, and if he's not on suicide watch, his lawyer will bring him a copy in his cell. At least, that's what we saw for Barry Morphew and Leticia Stauch (and others). I think that's pretty standard. Barry's affidavit was famously over 100 pages long and we all wondered if he ever read it all.

What I'm now confused about is the AA. I'm seeing two documents referred to: PCA and AA. Yesterday, someone posted that AA might remain sealed? Is that right? Will we only see the PCA?

Just checked the hearing schedule, nothing listed yet.

https://mycourts.idaho.gov/odysseyportal/Home/WorkspaceMode?p=0#tcBody_0

 

[positive]

Just out of genuine curiosity… where do you think it is going? And why would they change planes? I’m very interested you seem to know how this works.

Mainly I think the 2 states will split the cost. Also the direction of the plane and its airspeed so low. If it was a direct flight I think it would be an FBI plane This plane is registered to Pennsylvania State Police. I have no idea tho. Just speculation.

 

[Elley Mae]

According to flight tracker ADS-B Exchange, a Pennsylvania 2015 Pilatus PC-12 plane, registered to the Pennsylvania State Police and Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, is currently heading westward from Scranton. Police cannot say where Kohberger will be landing due to security concerns.

Moscow murders suspect Bryan Kohberger now in Idaho, booked into jail

After landing in Pullman, he was transported to the Latah County Jail.

www.ktvb.com

As of 9:10 a.m. PST the plane was over Pennsylvania, but as of 9:33 a.m. PST, the plane was passing through Columbus, Ohio.

 

[acutename]

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I just do not ever understand why these crimes are committed; do not get the suicides either. guess that is a good thing. colossal waste- and sometimes I think of how much time and money and effort needs to be spent on security because some people are destructive and it makes my head spin IMO

 

[NewbieMasterSleuth]

Can anyone elaborate on Time of Death? I have been reading and wondering how accurate is a 1-2 hour window. Can it be say 10 minutes earlier? I imagine it does depends on examining the scene and body. Do they take into account the facts surrounding the death, like last seen and phone calls etc. Could the heat system being turned off cause it to be less accurate or do they have adjustments for that to make the accuracy better?

Determining Time of Death

Share this...FacebookGoogleTwitterLinkedinPinterestBufferDefining Time of Death There are several times of death. Let me repeat that—there are several times of death. Time of death seems to be a simple and straightforward term that obviously means the exact time that the victim drew his last...

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I have done a lot of reading on crime scene analysis, and typically, yes, coroners can use the relevant factors (hot air, cold air, etc.) to adjust the time of death appropriately.

 

[EBW321]

He's a 28 yr old that went nuts with a knife and murdered 4 sleeping people.
Plastic cutlery and suicide watch is all he'll need and his vegetables.
He will get to talk to his mum every day, he will receive family visits, visits with his lawyer.
He'll be fine.

Hello! I completely agree in regards to him.

 

[10ofRods]

Can anyone elaborate on Time of Death? I have been reading and wondering how accurate is a 1-2 hour window. Can it be say 10 minutes earlier? I imagine it does depends on examining the scene and body. Do they take into account the facts surrounding the death, like last seen and phone calls etc. Could the heat system being turned off cause it to be less accurate or do they have adjustments for that to make the accuracy better?

Determining Time of Death

Share this...FacebookGoogleTwitterLinkedinPinterestBufferDefining Time of Death There are several times of death. Let me repeat that—there are several times of death. Time of death seems to be a simple and straightforward term that obviously means the exact time that the victim drew his last...

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While methods using temperature and stomach contents are used for initial estimates, forensic pathologists actually look at the contents of various cells. The process of decomp is well studied and has several stages at the cellular level. Pathologists usually use several methods and the goal is that they all point to about the same time.

In this case, I believe at least one of the victims wore an Apple watch (E), so that could also provide a strong clue.

In the below article, the authors try to list the various methods in use in 2022:

New Trends in Immunohistochemical Methods to Estimate the Time since Death: A Review

The identification of a reliable and accurate post-mortem interval (PMI) is a major challenge in the field of forensic sciences and criminal investigation. Several laboratory techniques have recently been developed that offer a better contribution to the estimation of PMI, in addition to the...

www.mdpi.com

They use both blood and cerebro-spinal fluid and also the decay rate of various molecules in the body (that part is a lot like a clock, IMO).

It's a fascinating question and it seems all the various methods range from rough estimate to very accurate, with almost clock-like results. Of course, we don't know what the U of W pathologists did at Spokane, but I am confident that they have access to at least some of these recent and specific methods.

 

[schooling]

They will probably stop for fuel and maybe lunch. The route they are taking could be affected by the weather. JMO.

Skies look OK

https://soar.turbulenceforecast.com/max-06.php

but the PC-12-NG does have a range of around 2,100 miles so they'll likely have to stop for a refuel. unless the plan is to land earlier and do the last leg via ground transport.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I know, but it was part of an ongoing reply thread.

Somebody before you in the reply thread thought the plane type was too slow for BK extradition.

I hope everyone realizes he's currently on a "business jet"

JMO

 

[TheBorez]

I just do not ever understand why these crimes are committed; do not get the suicides either. guess that is a good thing. colossal waste- and sometimes I think of how much time and money and effort needs to be spent on security because some people are destructive and it makes my head spin IMO

Is your curiosity a quest for understanding? Or why are you curious?

 

[Rhenish]

OK Sleuths …

If the DA has BK’s bloody fingerprints, his touch DNA or his blood DNA at the crime scene OR a victim’s blood on one of BK’s possessions (car, item in his dumpster, apartment, office, etc.) ….

Will he take a plea to life without parole …

Or will he fight to the bitter end?

If the prosecution has a very strong case and very strong irrefutable evidence that will likely convict the defendant, I do not believe they will offer a plea deal. These murders warrant the death penalty and I believe that is what they will go for. However, they may speak to the families and consider their feelings. MOO

 

[darkesleuth]

They will probably stop for fuel and maybe lunch. The route they are taking could be affected by the weather. JMO.

Well, they just went right through the worst weather in the country today.

 

[JoNancy]

tough to write in handcuffs
not sure I could do it

I completely agree. I was thinking the very same thing. His normal signature is probably different.

 

[PrairieWind]

I would jist think he would need to be booked first so the chain of custody of the prisoner was complete. Procedural stuff if ya know what I mean.

I'm sure he is in custody of Idaho LE right now.

Mainly I think the 2 states will split the cost. Also the direction of the plane and its airspeed so low. If it was a direct flight I think it would be an FBI plane This plane is registered to Pennsylvania State Police. I have no idea tho. Just speculation.

Idaho would be responsible for all the costs of transportation. PA might provide the plane, but Idaho would reimburse PA for the cost.

 

[CSIDreamer]

They will probably stop for fuel and maybe lunch. The route they are taking could be affected by the weather. JMO.

Definitely. There may be snow on a more northward track. JMO

 

[Seattle1]

The bodycam as well as this photo actually do make his right hand look irritated. I don’t see cuts but it does seem inflamed, perhaps swollen. reminds me of a steam burn but of course that would make no sense unless it was totally unrelated (I have steam-burned my entire right hand) Moo
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Not directed at OP but my observation where the images of BK at his hearing are from 51 days after the murders.

Seriously, I don't think it reasonable to attribute every mark or discoloration on his body as injuries sustained when BK allegedly stabbed 4 sleeping students. This makes no sense to me! JMO

 

[kittythehare]

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article270754717.html?taid=63b5a9fad1c013000105ee59&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

 

[RANCH]

Skies look pretty clear from here...

https://soar.turbulenceforecast.com/max-06.php

I looked at the current weather radar on Accuweather and I see snow in Iowa north to Minnesota. Possible icing conditions. JMO.

https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/sacramento/95814/weather-radar/347627

 

[darkesleuth]

Definitely. There may be snow on a more northward track. JMO

Snow is not a problem to fly through at 24,000'. The weather they just came through is much worse, with a higher chance of icing, than anywhere else in the country today.

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