ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 16

[Snoop Sister]

They seem to be back-pedaling all the time on the "targeted" thing. I have to wonder if the university, from the get-go, asked city police to try to keep fears down. University leaders get so worked up about their public image, especially regarding campus safety. I can see the police being willing to go out on a bit of limb and using the term "targeted" in an attempt to quell fears. It probably didn't seem like too much of a leap, at the time -- because surely someone wouldn't just kill 4 students at random, right?
The city likely has a very tight relationship with the university. At the one presser, there were 5 people at the front of the room: 2 Moscow cops, the district attorney, and two university leaders. It was held at a university building.
It wouldn't be much of a surprise to find out that the university and the city police collaborated on the initial news releases and student alerts.
My hunch is that, eventually, it will be discovered that the term "targeted" was used to appease the university.

The university is more than likely worried about January enrolment.

 

[powpow]

When I imagine "the house being targeted", it is from the perspective the house has many entry points, a wooded back entrance that is not viewed from the road. They were quick, precise, and gone without notice. They were comfortable enough that the calculated risk was low if they knew how to approach each room relative to the beds. Targeted means that they observed and assessed the complete situation as suitable to commit the murders without being caught. It may not have been personal but opportunistic that met the ideal situation for the assailant.

bingo

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597797785793073152

 

[DizzyB]

I am watching Banfield and a neighbor just stated that he is now carrying a gun. This is a lot.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597725655965523968

 

[layer]

I am watching Banfield and a neighbor just stated that he is now carrying a gun. This is a lot.

And, of course, it's yet another person named J.

 

[Friday Fan]

I am watching Banfield and a neighbor just stated that he is now carrying a gun. This is a lot.

It's Idaho. Guns are prevalent. It doesn't surprise me.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

I can’t watch it after the initial viewing as my tv service provided is not listed there to join. I hope people share info.

This is a youtube link. However, it is important to not reference this in a way the unjustly places this person. Just a person responding in a way that appears to be objective, articulate.

 

[Charlot123]

While it feels frustrating for so many, Moo is that they really have to sort through a lot of interviews, tapes, evidence, tips, etc…so when they do say a PoI and make an arrest, the defense won’t turn suspect(s) into Mary Poppins and have nabbed go Scott free. Unless it’s a glaring known, this stuff takes time…

Actually, a lot

DNA in mixed samples
PCR amplification
When they have DNA, genealogy- this is one type of tasks

All cameras around, all videos, probably another type

The house inside and out - one more; a lot of work!

The traces and steps in and around the house

If they see where the steps end, prints of tires

Cars of all inhabitants

Electronics and digital footprints

Coroner and pathologist

And then, this task of talking to all witnesses and friends

Plus, the tip line

MOO - this is way more difficult than Delphi because the city is larger and the external traffic through it is huge

For example, all locals and non-locals traveling through the restaurant where two girls worked (Mad Greek? Crazy Greek?). I wouldn’t be surprised if that was a non-local who just stopped there. Maybe even reconcile the shifts when both girls were there?

 

[annpats]

I never said that I thought they were killed because they didn't have security nor that I thought it was random.

I see. But you were implying it?
Or it was a potential theory?
Anything goes at this point. Although I personally don't think it was random.

 

[Skigirl]

They seem to be back-pedaling all the time on the "targeted" thing. I have to wonder if the university, from the get-go, asked city police to try to keep fears down. University leaders get so worked up about their public image, especially regarding campus safety. I can see the police being willing to go out on a bit of limb and using the term "targeted" in an attempt to quell fears. It probably didn't seem like too much of a leap, at the time -- because surely someone wouldn't just kill 4 students at random, right?
The city likely has a very tight relationship with the university. At the one presser, there were 5 people at the front of the room: 2 Moscow cops, the district attorney, and two university leaders. It was held at a university building.
It wouldn't be much of a surprise to find out that the university and the city police collaborated on the initial news releases and student alerts.
My hunch is that, eventually, it will be discovered that the term "targeted" was used to appease the university.

Moo, I think that LE thought they knew who the killer was in those first few hours, but it is someone who they subsequently cleared, and so the case went from something they regarded as obvious and open-and-shut, to a mystery. That is why it went from “targeted” to… whatever they are calling it now. IMHO.

 

[PingTheRouter]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597797785793073152

Brian has been providing a lot of great clips and answers to questions since he's been there

 

[jitterbugperfume]

Anyone here from LE with knowledge of what it means to actually name a POI or even say you have a POI? I used to think LE was saying all of this as smoke and mirrors, but now I think they are being straight up. I’m curious what someone from the field can tell us about this. Is it common to have actual POIs but say you don’t to the public?

 

[kittythehare]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597797504317550592

 

[Emerald1328]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597801658662150144

The prosecutor tells Brian that there have been people that were of interest to investigators but they have been able to eliminate all of them so far as being suspects.

That’s discouraging.

 

[davisrnr1]

K’s father said that it was quick.

Sometimes I wonder if they tell family that so they don't spend so much time worrying about loved ones having suffered.

In this day an age most communities have ring or similar systems. Regardless of how “good” they are.

I own a rental home. At the advice of our property manager we actually took out the ring, as many renters see it as invasive. With this neighborhood being primarily rentals, might be a similar situation.

 

[powpow]

Moo, I think that LE thought they knew who the killer was in those first few hours, but it is someone who they subsequently cleared, and so the case went from something they regarded as obvious and open-and-shut, to a mystery. That is why it went from “targeted” to… whatever they are calling it now. IMHO.

I agree. I think they verified no forced entry and automatically assumed they'd find out real quick what friend it was that did it. They forgot entirely that there are serial killers that specifically look for unlocked doors and kill defenseless victims with knives. This is most certainly not the only case which has gone unsolved in the past 8 years that I know of. If I were to profile, I'd look at a religious cult who believes they are the chosen ones and everyone else are sinners. Specifically women and the party goers and perceived *advertiser censored*, the ultimate sinner.

 

[Friday Fan]

Anyone here from LE with knowledge of what it means to actually name a POI or even say you have a POI? I used to think LE was saying all of this as smoke and mirrors, but now I think they are being straight up. I’m curious what someone from the field can tell us about this. Is it common to have actual POIs but say you don’t to the public?

I am far from LE, but I think in this case, they are being truthful. MOO.. It's just a vibe I get from them.

There are reasons for bluffing, but I don't get the impression in this case. (Organized crime for example) MOO

However, I do feel if they call a POI prematurely it could backfire if a POI is not an actual suspect. They are under no obligation to name a POI because it's not an "official designation".

If they do obtain DNA of an unsub, I wonder if they will make an announcement? (unsub = unknown subject)
They would then need to determine who the DNA belongs to. They may go on a hunt, only to find the person just isn't a suspect after all.

 

[gitana1]

I have a couple of question, at least one of the parents has said that LE wasn't giving them much information. Is that normal for a case like this? If not what could be the reasoning for that?

I think it can be normal. Especially if they believe the family isn’t in line with their suspicions or if they feel they cannot guarantee they’ll keep quiet.

 

[Snoop Sister]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1597797504317550592

What I don‘t get is why LE indicated right away it was targeted crime. What made them think that? Granted the university might have had some influence but I don’t think they would put the community at risk needlessly.
There must have been something ie. a reason for saying it was targeted. LE are holding back lots…