ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 17

[diggndeeperstill]

Good point. But all university faculty and staff who are told about a sexual assault are mandatory reporters, and must report this information to the Title IX officer at the university. Usually institutional policeis require that it is reported within 24 hours of a student disclosing this information. Every year new and returning faculty and staff are required to take Title IX training online so they are aware of this responsibility.

Oh, I totally agree about it being reported at the university if they are a mandatory reporter. BUT, OP was talking about getting fired if he / she reported it to LE. Which, I actually agree with. He should be fired for that. An of-age man/ woman should have the right to report a SA if he/she desires.

 

[Not a Belle]

Good point. But all university faculty and staff who are told about a sexual assault are mandatory reporters, and must report this information to the Title IX officer at the university. Usually institutional policeis require that it is reported within 24 hours of a student disclosing this information. Every year new and returning faculty and staff are required to take Title IX training online so they are aware of this responsibility.

There are some exceptions. University mental health counselors are not required to report Title IX violations. Their obligation to maintain confidentiality supersedes that requirement. If a student reports a violation to them, it is up to the student whether the counselor reports. Typically the counselor makes the student aware of their reporting options and supports the student’s decision.

 

[elainebenice]

Please delete

 

[Sister Golden Hair]

I had that thought too but hopefully that’s not the case.

I agree, and I think that even so, the gracious thing would have been to mention her because of course. but I guess a lack of graciousness is understandable. that's not what bothers me. what bothers me is that it was a conscious choice, no avoiding that he was with her, and she suffered the same awful fate, so why not mention her? an odd choice.

 

[Curiosa20]

I get that. Truly being in earshot is the only way. But he would have to know all 4 were asleep IF his goal was to strike while they were asleep. Which means what? Checked both rooms first? OR what else could it mean?

I will throw out things I am thinking of.

The killer was previously chatting with one or more.
Killer had somehow incapacitated them all? Maybe a laced drink shared together?
Killer had been in the house before and planted bugs or cameras?
There were two killers?
Killer really didn't care if they were asleep and staged the scene and the coroner was incorrect?
Did killer expect 2 per room? Seems it didn't deter.
Was the target all 4? And that is why 2 per room didn't deter?
Was the killer just utterly nuts?
Was the killer already in the house?

Heh- I hesitate to ask this out of fear of drowning in the bottomless Sea of Speculation but… diving in.
I don’t recall any video or photos showing the patio LED lights nor any others turned on during initial LE response and crime scene forensics. I saw them on days or weeks after
Do you all remember?
That makes a little bit of difference to me in terms of Mr Monster entering the house before or after they were home.
I’m not comfortable with the sleeping proposition. It is comforting on some levels to imagine that.
And I say no no no he was not nuts or in a psychotic episode, way too organized. Deranged, yes. Personality disorder, psychopathy yes. Cold blooded power and control freak,yes. Sadistic sounds about right to me too, check. I do believe there was a sexual or erotic fulfillment element, too, possibly unless it was just about any one of a myriad of other perceived transgressions or wrongs cultivated in the killer’s avenging mind. IMOO

 

[Susan A]

Expertise needed:
Let’s say someone calls the MPD to report an incident. ie stranger throwing items away in dumpster. Seen reports that MPD showed up, but a police report not done.
So assuming this information is “logged” somewhere. Is this an official log with just minimal info or more or less a “short form” type police report? Are these logged into a computer? Are they somehow linked to this case if the officer thinks it may come in handy at a later date? How does this work?

 

[drmrgrl]

I was thinking of the motive again. There were three pairs of people out that night.some were driving and others were walking. Could one or two of the different pairs have walked in on something going down that night perhaps a robbery or crime in progress that may have occurred on the street while they were walking home?

 

[debirlfan]

Even if this is completely unrelated to the murders, this means we’re basically right outside the house where the murders were happening at the time they were happening!! What are the chances?!?

I wonder if someone thought the people in the house called the police?

 

[Ed Teach]

See!!! I’m so glad you found it. I had the exact same reaction. I gasped when I watched this.

It also reports incorrect information. The triplets attended an event at a sorority house between 8-9...not a party at Sigma Chi...

 

[kittythehare]

Even if this is completely unrelated to the murders, this means the cops were basically right outside the house where the murders were happening at the time they were happening!! What are the chances?!?

It was a big night out.
I imagine many were inebriated.?

 

[Jeging]

Has much focus been given to the fact law enforcement needs to be careful about what they say and how they respond to news media queries? Law enforcement must be cognizant of the fact anything released to the public as well as anything discussed within social media could potentially be heard/read by the perpetrator(s).

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Even if this is completely unrelated to the murders, this means we’re basically right outside the house where the murders were happening at the time they were happening!! What are the chances?!?

Do MPD have body cam? Assuming they looked at that footage for what is seen or unseen?

Heh- I hesitate to ask this out of fear of drowning in the bottomless Sea of Speculation but… diving in.
I don’t recall any video or photos showing the patio LED lights nor any others turned on during initial LE response and crime scene forensics. I saw them on days or weeks after
Do you all remember?
That makes a little bit of difference to me in terms of Mr Monster entering the house before or after they were home.
I’m not comfortable with the sleeping proposition. It is comforting on some levels to imagine that.
And I say no no no he was not nuts or in a psychotic episode, way too organized. Deranged, yes. Personality disorder, psychopathy yes. Cold blooded power and control freak,yes. Sadistic sounds about right to me too, check. I do believe there was a sexual or erotic fulfillment element, too, possibly unless it was just about any one of a myriad of other perceived transgressions or wrongs cultivated in the killer’s avenging mind. IMOO

Good point on the lights. Would make you think the best entrance was from the back, or with an invite.

 

[Curiosa20]

This is the official word on the asleep issue.

Autopsies were conducted on November 17th. The Latah County Coroner confirmed the identity of the four murdered individuals and their cause and manner of death as homicide by stabbing. The coroner stated the four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds, and each was stabbed multiple times. There was no sign of sexual assault.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

However, it does not say they died while sleeping. Again, it is a comforting statement and it also may be something reserved for interrogation of the Offender. MOO

 

[Curiosa20]

This is the official word on the asleep issue.

Autopsies were conducted on November 17th. The Latah County Coroner confirmed the identity of the four murdered individuals and their cause and manner of death as homicide by stabbing. The coroner stated the four victims were likely asleep, some had defensive wounds, and each was stabbed multiple times. There was no sign of sexual assault.

King Road Homicides | Moscow, ID

www.ci.moscow.id.us

However, it does not say they died while asleep or sleeping. Again, it is a comforting statement and it also may be something reserved for interrogation of the Offender. MOO

 

[debbiediablo]

So if the target was on the second floor it would be even easier to escape through the sliding doors. But killer/s didn't stop on the third or second floor, which ever was first. But it stopped one which ever was second, but why? that doesn't make any sense. It is good that it stopped, because two more precious lives would be lost, but still, why? Nothing makes sense here.

There was snow and ice on the ground when Interview Room walked through the area around the crime scene. They mentioned weather conditions were similar of the night of the crime. Jumping off an 8 (?) foot high balcony and spraining an ankle or breaking a leg (better yet, a neck) would serve the killer right but be a lapse in judgment.

 

[Ed Teach]

With the murder scene being described as "sloppy" and "messy" I wonder if the perp was intoxicated? Liquid courage. I've seen some drunk angry and sadistic folks in my time.

 

[WildWest]

Lol. I was never in the Greek community but I know exactly what you're talking about with the frats! I did have some friends in sororities and there were plenty of guys at those parties.

I went to one once. Once. I was following my sister that was in a Sorority and was mobbed at every door entry required all to to swallow a jello shot, I ended up locked in a room with a frat guy, he was too wasted to do any harm luckily and even though I was not used to alcohol I was able to find the door and unlock it in the dark and leave! Ran into one of my sisters childhood friends that took me back to her sorority room. Later that year that same Frat did a LITERAL panty raid on my sisters Sorority, funny I googled and there are no links now (ya, it was a long time ago). Idk, I still wonder about mischevious group thing going on in Frats and turning nefarious. We've all heard of hazings going too far, I have to add my experience at 17 and getting out of that room, and then the panty raid (girls got raped during that raid). I just absolutely abhore the ideal of drinking to excess, alcohol poisoning, God Forbid death. And the bad ideas they come up with while drunk.

 

[Charlot123]

Sounds like the DA is giving us a heads up. Soon could be in a week!

I am less confident because these are four people, each with their lives, in a university city. I understand there is a lot of pressure on the LE, but maybe this is how ISP ended up with 74K tips and missed a very important piece of early information? I think it might take some time.

Does anyone know if the US and Canada share DNA databases? I tried searching for that answer today and couldn't come up with anything.

Criminal or regular open source? There is a difference.

For Gedmatch, an open-source community database, there is no country limitation, one can upload DNA processed in at least five major commercial companies, maybe even more, from any country. So Canadian DNAs are there, too, provided their Canadian owners run them through DNA companies that work with Gedmatch, downloaded and opened for LE comparison (“opted in”).

About CODIS. Here I think is everything we need to know and more

CODIS and NDIS Fact Sheet | Federal Bureau of Investigation

A compilation of frequently-asked questions about the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS) and the National DNA Index System (NDIS).

www.fbi.gov

The article mentions the procedure for DNA matching request from the Interpol, and vise versa, the Interpol can request comparison of their DNA with Codis database, but it is an official process. Interpol, has 195 members, including US and Canada. So me not knowing how it works, but knowing there is collaboration between CODIS and Interpol database, I would think, Canadian DNA is not off-limits, because Interpol can ask its members DNA databases for comparison. It is the principle of cooperation in apprehending dangerous criminals, and I can’t imagine how it can be otherwise. I wonder if there is a faster communication between Canada and US, but not in the loop to know.

 

[kbckcern22]

Just chiming in to say, lets find the bad guy!!!! These parents, siblings, loved ones have been through hell. Before Christmas, I’d love for them to know the is behind bars! This is my Christmas miracle I am praying for.

 

[seemstome]

If there was a big noisy party going on in the field near the home at the same time as the murders (revealed by the police blotter info) that may explain why the surviving roommates did not hear anything. As well as why the murdered roommates did not hear anyone entering their home.
Also, maybe the call about the noisy event was placed by the killer to distract the police.
Also, maybe some or all of the roommates briefly attended the field party and were
Roofied? JMO