ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 17

[NinthFloor]

From 8pm to 9pm Xana and Ethan were at a frat party. Still over two weeks later no one knows what happened between 9pm and 1:45am with them. Or if they do know LE is keeping it tight lipped. I imagine that the 22 FBI agents in Moscow are trying to account for every second of what occurred between that time.

IDK maybe I'm reaching, but could X&E just wanted to be alone and checked into a motel or gone to a secluded cabin, it is Idaho, looks like beautiful country. With the house 1122 being a beehive of activity, maybe it's not too much of a stretch to want to have some time without the housemates and friends dropping by. JMO

 

[Curiosa20]

Well, that's going to inspire a lot of confidence and peace. MOO

Actually it’s an honest answer and that in itself is reassuring for a person to know that they are not alone. It is normal to be scared in those circumstances. To deny or downplay would not be healthy or sincere, or responsible.

 

[Trouble1321075]

I don’t think LE cares about how long the public thinks it should take. Self preservation of any agency or institution has ruined many cases

I guess what I question is how much latitude the police should be given.

 

[layer]

I think it's safe to conclude at this point that the police is going to co tinue to take the mushroom approach (feed us crap and keep us in the dark) with the press and the public. What isn't clear is if they doing this to protect the integrity of their case or if it's being done to avoid having their competency scrutinized.

I really hope it's the former and the killer does not escape justice not because it's actually the latter leaving us in danger of a killer at large.

How long is it ok for the police to keep saying we have nothing to report but we are working it? A week, a month, a year, longer? It's so difficult because for all we know, the police know exactly who did this but are keeping their powder dry waiting for the killer to slip up and give them the evidence they need to make an arrest. It would be tragic if public impatience forced the police to tip their hand and a killer got away because of it.

I wish I knew the right thing to do but I really don't.

Can I steal this line?

the mushroom approach (feed us crap and keep us in the dark)

I think what is going on here is less incompetance and more competing interests.
I think some may not want to admit they jumped the gun on "target" so they just kind of shuffle around it.
I think some are saying whatever they can to avoid panic.
I think some are trying to CYA if the killer(s) turn out to be more random and strikes again.

And then some are just confused on which narrative they are supposed to be on.

 

[mayhem911]

Misinformation and speculation is plaguing this case from day 1 mainly because I don't think Moscow Idaho LE was ready for all the media attention, tv cameras and a quadruple stabbing homicide. It seemed to have overwhelmed them at first saying public was not at risk and later backtracked on the statement. Since then LE can barely speak about the case but hope it's for good reason because the clock continues to run still keeping faith we have suspect by Christmas.

 

[Saquish]

and its 3 a.m. and he just happens to be holding a 9" knife?....
No I do not think so. as far as we know, no words, no manifesto, no grafitti- just stab wounds.

yes, if you go to kill someone with a knife at 3 am then indeed you will be standing there at 3 am with a knife. I am confused

 

[Fascinated1]

IDK maybe I'm reaching, but could X&E just wanted to be alone and checked into a motel or gone to a secluded cabin, it is Idaho, looks like beautiful country. With the house 1122 being a beehive of activity, maybe it's not too much of a stretch to want to have some time without the housemates and friends dropping by. JMO

Maybe they were at the house (where the girls lived). No one was home and her dad said he was told
They were staying home watching a movie….

 

[britinsussex]

It will be 8pm Eastern US time.

Thank you so much!

 

[isabella88]

Actually it’s an honest answer and that in itself is reassuring for a person to know that they are not alone. It is normal to be scared in those circumstances. To deny or downplay would not be healthy or sincere, or responsible.

Truth!

 

[annpats]

IMO, "no threat" can only be confidently stated once perp is in custody. MOO

Absolutely! If I were living in Moscow, IS right now, I would be petrified.
Imagine hearing a noise in your house at night.....oh my.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

IDK maybe I'm reaching, but could X&E just wanted to be alone and checked into a motel or gone to a secluded cabin, it is Idaho, looks like beautiful country. With the house 1122 being a beehive of activity, maybe it's not too much of a stretch to want to have some time without the housemates and friends dropping by. JMO

Students are cheap. They aren't going to fork over money to do something in a hotel that they could do in a car for free.

 

[Trouble1321075]

Can I steal this line?

I think what is going on here is less incompetance and more competing interests.
I think some may not want to admit they jumped the gun on "target" so they just kind of shuffle around it.
I think some are saying whatever they can to avoid panic.
I think some are trying to CYA if the kille(s) turn out to be more random and strikes again.

And then some are just confused on which narrative they are supposed to be on.

It's not my line. Feel free. No copywrite on it

 

[layer]

There is a place with axe throwing. BTW, Interesting date on this article, too. 11/11/2022

Moscow Axe Throwing brings a new side of nightlife to Moscow

On a related note, I hope LE has verified that this knife is still in their inventory.

 

[10ofRods]

Burglars target houses all the time. They don't care who lives there. Imo.

Someone who kills the people in the house they burgle is called a murderer who steals from his victims.

If it's houses, plural, then that person is either a serial killer or spree killer (even if they tell themselves they're just going to go inside, have a look, and steal some stuff).

 

[annpats]

The amount of stress on the killer has to overwhelming. Unless it is a complete lone wolf, there will be those around that person who will notice they seem a little “off” in last couple weeks. Also, any suicides in that area should also be considered.

I do agree, although I think if the killer can handle the stress of sneaking into the house, carrying out the 4 kills and escaping with no trace, he must be almost a professional hitman, or something of that ilk. Such a high-level of confidence.

That's why I don't think he'll crack. Psychologically, he'll be able to handle the aftermath.

In fact, for him, it may be relief now he has done the deed.

MOO.

 

[Down To Earth]

First-time-poster here. Not really a true crime junkie or armchair sleuth. Haven't been this interested in an unsolved crime since the initial mystery of the Boston Marathon bombings many years back. Saw the documentary on Patton Oswald's deceased wife awhile back, which left me with a poor impression of amateur sleuthing as something possibly addictive, but something about this Idaho case has drawn me here. Thank you to everyone who has shared information, data, personal experience, etc... This is a really neat community, and the moderators are doing a great job - thanks mods!

I've read through almost every post here about this case, and my personal suspicions have never wandered toward a strong feeling that I really have a sense of who may have done this crime. I think there just isn't enough information available to the general public to get a good sense of what transpired. Take for instance the food truck video. We see a handful of people and anyone can wildly speculate anything about anyone present in that clip. But if instead of that Twitch clip we were presented with a 30-minute clip from the neighbor's Ring camera or a 10-minute clip from the Corner Club I'm sure we would have wildly different suspicions. I just am not seeing enough actual evidence to begin to piece any significant part of this together. The suspect could be a 16-year-old girl or a group of middle-aged men or a serial killer or anything imaginable. No concrete idea from my perspective.

A lot of the same ideas are being treaded on, so I'll try to think of something new to add. Just quickly: Does the use of a knife instead of a gun say anything about the killer's income status or ability to procure a gun? Does not using a gun say anything about the suspicion that there may be a hunting or military background? What does it say about the suspicion that it may be an incel, which we typically have seen use guns and with little or no regard for their own personal outcome?

I have a million other little details bugging me, too many to write into one post. So I'll leave this one as-is for now. Man, this is a disturbing mind-bender and my condolences to any friends or family of the deceased and anyone who has been personally affected. Nothing but love and peace your way from here.

 

[stygianowl]

Idaho college murders: Slain student's father says she had stalker

Murdered University of Idaho student Kaylee Goncalves told her dad and friends she had a stalker — but authorities have been unable to verify the reports.

www.foxnews.com

Ok, so Kaylee's father says now that he heard about a stalker. But my understanding is that her sister said she knew nothing about that. Please correct me if I am wrong!

The headline of the Fox News article is wildly misleading, to be charitable. This is what they turned into "slain student's father says she had stalker":

"Did [Kaylee] ever talk to you about a potential stalker or somebody that made her uncomfortable?" ABC News reporter Kayna Whitworth asked Kaylee's father, Steven Goncalves, in an interview. "She did," he replied.

NB "or somebody that made her uncomfortable". And while we're at it, "potential" before "stalker".

 

[Strong1]

I think it's safe to conclude at this point that the police is going to co tinue to take the mushroom approach (feed us crap and keep us in the dark) with the press and the public. What isn't clear is if they doing this to protect the integrity of their case or if it's being done to avoid having their competency scrutinized.

I really hope it's the former and the killer does not escape justice not because it's actually the latter leaving us in danger of a killer at large.

How long is it ok for the police to keep saying we have nothing to report but we are working it? A week, a month, a year, longer? It's so difficult because for all we know, the police know exactly who did this but are keeping their powder dry waiting for the killer to slip up and give them the evidence they need to make an arrest. It would be tragic if public impatience forced the police to tip their hand and a killer got away because of it.

I wish I knew the right thing to do but I really don't.

I understand the frustration with the fact that LE isn't releasing much at this point. But, in all reality they don't have release anything. To be honest in the way the law works today, the simplest little mistake can set a criminal free. it could anything from a piece of evidence logged incorrectly, to a search warrant being worded wrong, to a witness not properly being questioned, and so on. So I have no problem with them taking the time to get it right.
The other issue I can see is like what happened to a neighbor of the victims after some Reddit members decided the he was the killer, and they did that with the little bit of info LE released. A rush to judgement with out any facts. I do believe they need to be careful and protect integrity of the case. So this idea that since they are not releasing info that they are either not doing their jobs or are involved in some mysterious cover up is unwarranted. I believe they are doing their jobs and are working hard to solve these murders and until somone can show me any different, I will continue to believe that.

 

[MsMarple]

In Memory of Xana, Madison, Kaylee and Ethan

Join the Vandal family as we hold a worldwide vigil for four students killed November 13, 2022.

www.uidaho.edu

A candlelight vigil is planned for Wednesday, Nov. 30, to honor the memory of Ethan, Xana, Madison and Kaylee.

Moscow, Idaho: The university will host a vigil at 5 p.m. Pacific time, Wednesday, Nov. 30, in the ASUI-Kibbie Activity Center. It will also be livestreamed on uidaho.edu/live. Candles are not allowed in the Kibbie Dome. You can download a candle app for Android and Apple phones. Doors will open at 4:15 p.m. Offices on the Moscow campus can close at 4:30 p.m. to accommodate attendance. The U of I Clear Bag Policy will be in effect. Free parking will be available after 3 p.m.

 

[Saquish]

Isn’t it odd that the university is not being investigated? If this was a private business the feds would be tearing it apart. The university is the home of so many different people with diverse backgrounds and capabilities. But LE is not talking about the campus that I know of.