ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 18

[Snoop Sister]

My understanding it's thats what happened. That dispells the theory this was a frenzied attack. The killer had to have enough forethought to lock the doors and ensure he wasent dripping blood throughout the house. I don't think they're going to find a bunchbof forensic evidence. Yesd a knife with a finger guard to ensure he didn't cut hands while stabbing. Locked doors didn't leave bloody footprints or doorknobs so roommates would notice. Locked doors. I don't think there will be any forensic evidence. If so it will be very little.

Do you have a link in reference that the killer locked the bedroom doors? I have seen that on posts here a few times that the killer did lock the bedroom doors. I am wondering where that came from and where was it reported and from whom In msm.

 

[layer]

And ~instantly~ walked it back. Definitely needs to be added to the public LE gaffes in this case. Deep sigh.

Sigh...
They seem to be doing more walking backwards than walking forwards.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

IMO,I think that LE believes, intuits or thinks this attack is targeted. Whether or not they can prove it in a court of law is another separate issue. Trust the police- it was probably a targeted attack-they just can’t come out and say why

And I think the exact opposite! IMHO, they started out thinking it was similar/something like that but now have realized through investigation that’s less & less likely.

I hope you’re right, though.

 

[EmmieA]

Sorry if I missed this in the last couple of hours.
Does anyone have the 12/1/22 press release from Moscow PD that I saw hours ago whereby they mentioned Bill Thompson?

I can't find that now and not at their site, only 11/30/22 with no mention of Bill Thompson. Also had the use of the word "covet".
Please re-post.
TIA

12/1 update mentioning BT is on their FB https://m.facebook.com/100082550200493/

EBM to fix typo

 

[layer]

Do you have a link in reference that the killer locked the bedroom doors? I have seen that on posts here a few times that the killer did lock the bedroom doors. I am wondering where that came from and where was it reported and from whom In msm.

Often speculated, never reported.

 

[WildWest]

I'm thinking it was a person who lived near by who was on a horrible drug rampage. What is that drug that totally makes you go nuts and turn into a savage...TCP? The house is surrounded by other student apartments where I'm sure there are parties, there was no sexual attack, nothing, as far as we know left behind to tie them to anyone they knew. This was far more than a jealous rage or a spurned boyfriend. And to think that alcohol and pot were the only substances some of the kids partook of, is just niave. I also think that calling a few friends to come over first wasn't because they were young and didn't know what to do. I'm sure they were shocked and scared, but my first instinct would be to call 911 as I was running out the door!! Kids don't hang around in a house with friends wounded bodies and blood everywhere. I think this is why LE has been so closed lip...the crime scene doesn't compute or make any sense. The perp will only be determined if someone comes forward. I pray it's soon. MO

Yes, I lean similar too, one the killer was on something beyond adrenalin to kill all 4, and also the kids must have been passed out beyond drunk or roofied.
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I CANNOT imagine someone killing all of them in their beds unless they were drugged.
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I understand there is no sexual assault according to LEO but that does not eliminate drugging to kill instead either. I'm just sick all those kids are gone. Just. Gone. No chance for a career, marriage, children, just gone.

 

[JohnBull]

I have wondered whether the first group of LE at the scene decided the murders were "overkill" and therefore the work of someone passionately angry with at least one of the victims. At that point, somebody may have decided "overkill = closeness to killer = targeted rather than random". Since they wanted to reassure the community, somebody rushed to tell the MSM there was "targeting".

All of the subsequent attempts to define and/or walk back "targeted" followed from that first assumption.

The above is all MOO, obviously; I have no inside knowledge of the events in Moscow, ID.

I suspect you're right. They found the victims stabbed multiple times and applied the time-tested paradigm to the case.

 

[Lillymac]

So you are thinking the perp was on some drug that caused them to go into some kind of rage/ rampage at the party
Evidence doesn’t support that at all
- the perp did not pick up a knife from the kitchen- they brought their own
- so far the perp has not been identified using fingerprints, so they they wore gloves or were carful, or just needs more time
- this perp was the only person at the party that took this drug? it wasn’t shared?

It isn’t naive to assume some kids just partake of alcohol and weed- that would be consistent to my own college experience, and also that conveyed to me by my own kids.
Kids that partake in other drugs while in college usually can’t keep it together to do well, some can’t handle their alcohol and weed in my experience.
From what we know about these kids- they did well in school and all had work experience and were currently employed- they didn’t just play in college.
K was graduating early- at 21. She likely took advanced courses in high school so she entered with college credits or took more than 15 hours per semester to pull that off.
What she couldn’t have done is pissed away courses, failed them and had to retake, changed majors a few times- or she would be on the 5 year plan

JMO/ MOO

I wasn't referring to the victims directly at all. As far as I know, there was no party there. I said there are other apartments, student housing all around them. Anyone could have come from one of those. Nor did I say that all students do more than alcohol/pot, but some do. I have 4 grandchildren at universities...Texas and Tennessee, and I am shocked at some of the things they have related to me. I am not an investigator, but some of what LE has released makes no sense to me. Just trying to think what would make someone go berserk and do this. Especially in a small, quiet, college town.

 

[WildWest]

Or did the killer move them to the same bed?

Oh no, could all 4 of them bleeding in the 2nd floor account for the red liquid dripping down the cement foundation omg?

 

[britinsussex]

Sorry if I missed this in the last couple of hours.
Does anyone have the 12/1/22 press release from Moscow PD that I saw hours ago whereby they mentioned Bill Thompson?

I can't find that now and not at their site, only 11/30/22 with no mention of Bill Thompson. Also had the use of the word "covet".
Please re-post.
TIA

Moscow Idaho Police Department Press Release https://www.ci.moscow.id.us/DocumentCenter/View/24808/12-01-22-Moscow-Homicide-Update

 

[shane13]

12/1 update mentioning BT is on their FB https://m.facebook.com/100082550200493/

EBM to fix typo

Thank you kindly. [That's not on their regular site.]
BT cited there. What about what I saw hours ago about coveting the knife?

Sad that BT is cited that way. I think he's a real straight shooter and I tend to believe him.
JMO.

 

[EncyclopediaBrownJr]

One problem with the killer targeting K: Why would they plan on murdering her in the middle of the night in a house where 5-6-7 people lived? There’s a good chance they would either run into someone else up late (especially in college on a weekend) or someone would hear something. If they enter via the kitchen sliding door, they have to go through the living room which is risky because it’s a main gathering area. Unless they went in through Kaylee’s sliding door, which I guess is possible if this was planned.
So let’s say they went in through her bedroom sliding door but she’s not in her room. They find her in M’s room so now M has to die too. But then why go downstairs?

Another thought: I’ve been thinking about what ties the two rooms together (X/E and M/K) - because the killer felt the need to visit both rooms. Were X & M in the same sorority? That would be one tie. The restaurant they both worked at is another tie. I’m not sold on the sorority or restaurant having anything to do with the murders but who knows. I can’t help but think there’s a reason behind all this, I don’t think it’s random, especially considering the girls on the ground floor were spared (And I do think they were spared)

MOO

Maybe the killer blames X for something. One of the girls upstairs is the target but X is lumped in because of some perceived fault that has been laid upon her?

As for the order of killings, he comes into the 2nd floor door since it's conveniently unlocked and he's got cover from the trees in the back. He may have known the password to the front door but prefers the back because of concealment. He goes to X's bedroom first since she's on the same floor that he entered and he can ensure an unfettered retreat down the stairs if there's any problems on the 3rd floor. Maybe he knows Ethan is there because his vehicle is out front. Whether he's there or not probably doesn't change anything. He wants to guarantee himself a clean escape after taking out his target. MOO.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

It isn’t plausible that the perp could lock the 1st floor roommates into the 1st floor.
An interior door lock that separates the 1st floor from the 2nd would be on the other side of the door. It would lock people out of the 1st floor, not into the 1st floor.

Also, how did they get out to see the ‘unconcious’ person if they had to wait for someone to come unlock the door and no one in the house was alive?

JMO/ MOO

Wasn’t asking about if there was a ~locked~ door, just if there was a door.

Interior doors separating floors in single residence houses here aren’t unusual, especially in older houses. Shut off the second floor to keep the first floor cooler in the summer & vice versa. They can also help with noise.

I didn’t recall seeing a door separating the first & second floor in the real estate pics but also didn’t recall an angle that would have shown one.

Hence my inquiry. Still curious if any of the SM videos showed whether or not there was one.

 

[EmmieA]

Thank you kindly. [That's not on their regular site.]
BT cited there. What about what I saw hours ago about coveting the knife?

Sad that BT is cited that way. I think he's a real straight shooter and I tend to believe him.
JMO.

Something strange is going on behind the scenes for sure. It feels political to me, like the University is influencing this. Just my opinion!

 

[Ray_of_hope]

Recent article on CNN included a statement from one of the victims parents ”In the end, they all died together in the same bed”. I have linked the article below and included a screenshot (however, if I have done so incorrectly, please advise as I am having difficulty with certain formatting options on my device). Original Article

They died together in the same bed.
Did the killer find them in separate locations in the home then force them into the bed, then took their lives ?
Or were the victims already together in the bed when the killer entered the room ?

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I believe the CNN quote was in reference to Madison and Kaylee being in the same bed and was made by Madison's father.

 

[everybodhi]

I'm thinking it was a person who lived near by who was on a horrible drug rampage. What is that drug that totally makes you go nuts and turn into a savage...TCP? The house is surrounded by other student apartments where I'm sure there are parties, there was no sexual attack, nothing, as far as we know left behind to tie them to anyone they knew. This was far more than a jealous rage or a spurned boyfriend. And to think that alcohol and pot were the only substances some of the kids partook of, is just niave. I also think that calling a few friends to come over first wasn't because they were young and didn't know what to do. I'm sure they were shocked and scared, but my first instinct would be to call 911 as I was running out the door!! Kids don't hang around in a house with friends wounded bodies and blood everywhere. I think this is why LE has been so closed lip...the crime scene doesn't compute or make any sense. The perp will only be determined if someone comes forward. I pray it's soon. MO

TCP? I had to look it up, an analog of PCP but more potent.
Is TCP now a common street drug in Idaho?

 

[Lillymac]

Oh no, could all 4 of them bleeding in the 2nd floor account for the red liquid dripping down the cement foundation omg?

One can only imagine what went on in that house. And without being told anything by LE, imaginations run wild.

 

[shane13]

Something strange is going on behind the scenes for sure. It feels political to me, like the University is influencing this. Just my opinion!

I don't believe it's the Uni, but who MPD is working with.
JMO.

 

[shane13]

Now if someone could please tell me where it was that killer covets his knife that I saw hours ago?
TIA

 

[The Observer]

Oh no, could all 4 of them bleeding in the 2nd floor account for the red liquid dripping down the cement foundation omg?

LE has stated since the get go the two were found on the 2nd floor and 2 were found on the third floor. The 2 on the third floor K & M were in the same bed in the same room. They were killed together. Why would they be killed on the 2nd floor and then both dragged up to the third floor and put in bed together!? There's no way you don't rouse floor 1 by killing 4 people on floor 2. IMO.