ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 18

[Zella]

Recent article on CNN included a statement from one of the victims parents ”In the end, they all died together in the same bed”. I have linked the article below and included a screenshot (however, if I have done so incorrectly, please advise as I am having difficulty with certain formatting options on my device). Original Article

They died together in the same bed.
Did the killer find them in separate locations in the home then force them into the bed, then took their lives ?
Or were the victims already together in the bed when the killer entered the room ?

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I don't think he's saying all of them were together. I think he's just saying MM and KG since they were longtime friends and it isn't surprisingly really that they may have been spending the night in the same room. A lot of female friends that age do, especially after a night on the town and with one of them soon to move away. The cops have said multiple times 2 victims found on 2nd floor and 2 victims found on 3rd floor, so the other two victims weren't found with them.

Besides, the family has talked a lot about the close bond between those two in particular while acknowledging they were less familiar with the other victims. That's another reason I think why he chose to emphasize it--it is comforting to the family because of the bond between those two girls. MOO

 

[Lillymac]

Recent article on CNN included a statement from one of the victims parents ”In the end, they all died together in the same bed”. I have linked the article below and included a screenshot (however, if I have done so incorrectly, please advise as I am having difficulty with certain formatting options on my device). Original Article

They died together in the same bed.
Did the killer find them in separate locations in the home then force them into the bed, then took their lives ?
Or were the victims already together in the bed when the killer entered the room ?

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Or did the killer move them to the same bed?

 

[Nova]

Motive doesn’t have to be proved in a court of law. It can however, be used to help find a killer

And jurors rather consistently prefer some suggestion of motive, even though it isn't an element the prosecution must prove.

See Vincent Bugliosi's famous "Helter Skelter" motive for the Manson attacks. VB knew his jury wouldn't be satisfied without some explanation for the seemingly random killings by the Manson clan. VB may have been right, but I question anyone's ability to discern Manson's motivations.

 

[PorcelainCoveredInTinFoil]

They might have sprayed the house with some kind of forensics liquid. I believe that did that too a pole that was on Taylor street where they picked up a jacket. Does anyone know what this machine is?




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No clue on certainty of machine. But, best guess; pour a specific liquid in basin and wand dispenses steam of the liquid/sponge parts help diffuse the steam. The steam then adheres to something, say finger prints for example? I think in shows like Forensic Files and the like, when they do that using those boxes to reveal prints they use a chemical akin to super glue. But, again, I have no idea for certain. I'd have a suit similar DHoffman from Outbreak if those fumes were heated and freely dispensed in the air around me if that's what it does.

I've looked for similar machines on Google with no luck whatsoever. Did come across a neat photo of Shannon Hoon (Blind Melon) talking on phone in bed while reverse-image searching this machine. If that helps any with the results I found.

 

[layer]

Really ? My mistake , Ty for correcting me.

Don't feel bad, it's easy to get confused if you're not closely following these cases. There has been so much rampant speculation that the facts tend to get lost along the way.

 

[Lillymac]

Recent article on CNN included a statement from one of the victims parents ”In the end, they all died together in the same bed”. I have linked the article below and included a screenshot (however, if I have done so incorrectly, please advise as I am having difficulty with certain formatting options on my device). Original Article

They died together in the same bed.
Did the killer find them in separate locations in the home then force them into the bed, then took their lives ?
Or were the victims already together in the bed when the killer entered the room ?

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Or did the killer move them to the same bed?

 

[Carroll10]

My question is, why did law LE decide to release the details about a 6th person on the lease? Why not keep that information silent like just about everything else? Could it be strategic that they released this information? While I realize it takes time to collect evidence/information, I don’t think this is brand-new news to them with as many people as they have working on this. Why did they decide to release this at all? I feel like there’s a specific reason this was released.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Recent article on CNN included a statement from one of the victims parents ”In the end, they all died together in the same bed”. I have linked the article below and included a screenshot (however, if I have done so incorrectly, please advise as I am having difficulty with certain formatting options on my device). Original Article

They died together in the same bed.
Did the killer find them in separate locations in the home then force them into the bed, then took their lives ?
Or were the victims already together in the bed when the killer entered the room ?

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No where in article does it say they ALL died in the same bed.

Mr Gonclaves said his daughter, Kaylee, and her best friend since 6th grade, Madison, died in the same room and the same bed, they died together.

This is how misinformation spreads.

 

[layer]

Or did the killer move them to the same bed?

Officials say 4 U of Idaho fatal stabbing victims were likely asleep when they were killed

 

[AngTxGal]

Recent article on CNN included a statement from one of the victims parents ”In the end, they all died together in the same bed”. I have linked the article below and included a screenshot (however, if I have done so incorrectly, please advise as I am having difficulty with certain formatting options on my device). Original Article

They died together in the same bed.
Did the killer find them in separate locations in the home then force them into the bed, then took their lives ?
Or were the victims already together in the bed when the killer entered the room ?

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A the time K’s father is speaking of K and M, he is not speaking about E and X as being part of the ‘they’ he is talking about
Is there any evidence all four were found in the same bed- No
Early reports said 2 victims were on 2nd floor, and 2 victims were on the 3rd floor
We have to distinguish the Where as it could have different meanings 1) where lived 2) where murdered 3) where body found
If the perp put all four in the same room while they were alive- that is four people to kill one by one with a knife while fighting off the others. Doesn’t seem plausible.
If the early statement meant they were murdered 2 on 2nd and 2 on 3rd floor, but found 4 on 2nd and 0 on third- it didn’t say that. It also implies dragging dead bodies down stairs.
If this statement means they were killed 2 on 2nd and 2 on 3rd but 4 moved to the third floor- that means dragging two dead bodies Up stairs. So, How then did the survivors see a victim on the 2nd floor if all four were on the 3rd floor?

So four in one room doesn’t gel with any of the other statements made from what I can see.
I conclude-
Victims were staying in, murdered, and found 2 on 2nd and 2 on 3rd

I swear sometimes these scenarios were taken from the analytical portion of the SAT or GRE
JMO/ MOO

 

[WildWest]

I don't think he's saying all of them were together. I think he's just saying MM and KG since they were longtime friends and it isn't surprisingly really that they may have been spending the night in the same room. A lot of female friends that age do, especially after a night on the town and with one of them soon to move away. The cops have said multiple times 2 victims found on 2nd floor and 2 victims found on 3rd floor, so the other two victims weren't found with them.

Besides, the family has talked a lot about the close bond between those two in particular while acknowledging they were less familiar with the other victims. That's another reason I think why he chose to emphasize it--it is comforting to the family because of the bond between those two girls. MOO

Agreed, me too with long time friends and my aunts that are 8 and 11 years older than me in my 50's, I would sleep in the same bed with them at any given time comfortably. Werent those two girls brides maids in another sisters wedding and all siblings were close? Edited for grammer.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Was there an interior door on 2nd floor at stairs leading to 1st floor? If so, did killer lock it to prevent 1st floor roommates from interior access to 2nd floor. Also, if there was a door, then perhaps killer did not go to first floor because killer did not assume there were 1-2 alive roommates on the first floor?

BBM

I think that’s an intriguing & potentially important question I’ve not seen answered.

I know someone who was in the house a couple of years back who doesn’t remember one, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Has anyone seen evidence of one on any of the SM videos? Thanks!

 

[AngTxGal]

I'm thinking it was a person who lived near by who was on a horrible drug rampage. What is that drug that totally makes you go nuts and turn into a savage...TCP? The house is surrounded by other student apartments where I'm sure there are parties, there was no sexual attack, nothing, as far as we know left behind to tie them to anyone they knew. This was far more than a jealous rage or a spurned boyfriend. And to think that alcohol and pot were the only substances some of the kids partook of, is just niave. I also think that calling a few friends to come over first wasn't because they were young and didn't know what to do. I'm sure they were shocked and scared, but my first instinct would be to call 911 as I was running out the door!! Kids don't hang around in a house with friends wounded bodies and blood everywhere. I think this is why LE has been so closed lip...the crime scene doesn't compute or make any sense. The perp will only be determined if someone comes forward. I pray it's soon. MO

So you are thinking the perp was on some drug that caused them to go into some kind of rage/ rampage at the party
Evidence doesn’t support that at all
- the perp did not pick up a knife from the kitchen- they brought their own
- so far the perp has not been identified using fingerprints, so they they wore gloves or were carful, or just needs more time
- this perp was the only person at the party that took this drug? it wasn’t shared?

It isn’t naive to assume some kids just partake of alcohol and weed- that would be consistent to my own college experience, and also that conveyed to me by my own kids.
Kids that partake in other drugs while in college usually can’t keep it together to do well, some can’t handle their alcohol and weed in my experience.
From what we know about these kids- they did well in school and all had work experience and were currently employed- they didn’t just play in college.
K was graduating early- at 21. She likely took advanced courses in high school so she entered with college credits or took more than 15 hours per semester to pull that off.
What she couldn’t have done is pissed away courses, failed them and had to retake, changed majors a few times- or she would be on the 5 year plan

JMO/ MOO

 

[layer]

BBM

I think that’s an intriguing & potentially important question I’ve not seen answered.

I know someone who was in the house a couple of years back who doesn’t remember one, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Has anyone seen evidence of one on any of the SM videos? Thanks!

The real estate photos showed no door there.

 

[North_Idaho_Nony]

Yes. Communications Director Aaron Snell said it in an interview with Fox I believe

And ~instantly~ walked it back. Definitely needs to be added to the public LE gaffes in this case. Deep sigh.

 

[AngTxGal]

BBM

I think that’s an intriguing & potentially important question I’ve not seen answered.

I know someone who was in the house a couple of years back who doesn’t remember one, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Has anyone seen evidence of one on any of the SM videos? Thanks!

It isn’t plausible that the perp could lock the 1st floor roommates into the 1st floor.
An interior door lock that separates the 1st floor from the 2nd would be on the other side of the door. It would lock people out of the 1st floor, not into the 1st floor.

Also, how did they get out to see the ‘unconcious’ person if they had to wait for someone to come unlock the door and no one in the house was alive?

JMO/ MOO

 

[layer]

Why would the community be even more terrified if a profile were released? I'm not sure they can get any more terrified, but if they can, what on earth could be in the profile?

I'll take a stab at this...
If the profile is really general, which they usually are, neighbors could start looking at each other suspiciously. Thousands of useless tips could flood LE, making it virtually impossible to follow up on potentially useful ones. Things could get crazy.

ETA: Bad choice of words...

 

[EmmieA]

One problem with the killer targeting K: Why would they plan on murdering her in the middle of the night in a house where 5-6-7 people lived? There’s a good chance they would either run into someone else up late (especially in college on a weekend) or someone would hear something. If they enter via the kitchen sliding door, they have to go through the living room which is risky because it’s a main gathering area. Unless they went in through Kaylee’s sliding door, which I guess is possible if this was planned.
So let’s say they went in through her bedroom sliding door but she’s not in her room. They find her in M’s room so now M has to die too. But then why go downstairs?

Another thought: I’ve been thinking about what ties the two rooms together (X/E and M/K) - because the killer felt the need to visit both rooms. Were X & M in the same sorority? That would be one tie. The restaurant they both worked at is another tie. I’m not sold on the sorority or restaurant having anything to do with the murders but who knows. I can’t help but think there’s a reason behind all this, I don’t think it’s random, especially considering the girls on the ground floor were spared (And I do think they were spared)

MOO

 

[nightrider17]

Do you think K's father is trying to send a message to the perpetrator because he suspects someone in particular. MOO

 

[shane13]

Sorry if I missed this in the last couple of hours.
Does anyone have the 12/1/22 press release from Moscow PD that I saw hours ago whereby they mentioned Bill Thompson?

I can't find that now and not at their site, only 11/30/22 with no mention of Bill Thompson. Also had the use of the word "covet".
Please re-post.
TIA