ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 19

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Moscow Homicide Update
December 2, 2022

Update 1:45 p.m.: As detectives move forward with the homicide investigation, a private security company has been contracted to provide scene security to free up patrol resources. The scene remains under police control.


this should answer all questions re the "tech" looking guy..
Yes that makes sense that the scene will now have private security. You can hear the driver of the truck ask the officer "would you be willing to straighten the tape for me. Thanks man, appreciate it".
 
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I’m certainly no expert on unsolved murders so feel free to point out my erroneous thinking. Some of this may have been brought up before as I have not read nearly all the posts. Consider this scenario. What if the murders were a result of a rape attempt gone bad and not the original intent of the perp? A knife is often the weapon of choice during a rape attempt because it is terrifying and is quiet. What if the perp gained entry to the house and encountered two people in the same bed? At that time a knife is probably not going to control both and results in one or both being murdered. The perp may not have encountered the prime target and found two other people in a bed. The perp was unable to control either and both were murdered.

The perp may have been involved in earlier rapes, but this was the first time that the perp had to use the knife to silence the target(s). He (most probably was a male) had to “overkill” the subjects as he had never used a knife to injure or slay someone. A skilled knife user would know what lethal injuries were and not waste motions or locations. As a personal opinion I believe the perp probably had committed rapes before but had not actually murdered anyone.

This is all speculation and one can never fathom what sort of individual could do such a despicable deed. I cannot believe the pain and anguish the families of the deceased are experiencing.
 
ID gun laws?
so everybody over 18 can own a gun without a permit in Idaho? even if they're a student massacre type guy? or a former jailbird? or mentally ill?


oh!
Supplementing answers from others, @North_Idaho_Nony and @layer who referred to US fed law re mandatory background check of prospective handgun buyers, abbrev'ed (NICS).
Peripheral info, as we do not know if killer had gun at crime scene.

"Under the system, firearm dealers, manufacturers or importers who hold a Federal Firearms License (FFL) are required to undertake a NICS background check on prospective buyers before transferring a firearm. The NICS is not a gun registry,[1] but is a list of persons prohibited from owning or possessing a firearm."

This other article is about background checks for private sales of firearms in the United States.
Of course we (the public) do not know whether the killer had a handgun at the crime.
Nor do we know if killer bought gun in Idaho or another state.

Or if killer begged, borrowed, or stole a gun.

 
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Yes, I agree that the perp looks fairly normal, but maybe not for the same reasons... There are vanishingly few "monsters" living in society. In fact I'm not sure what behavior would qualify as a monster, so maybe it's my lack of imagination.

Well.

Some of my students know others who kill animals in the neighborhood (chickens, turkeys, goats) even though it is TOTALLY against the law where we live. Others have someone living in their home who is raping family members, but they are afraid to tell anyone - except in the most quiet of ways and certainly not directly to LE.

These people are indeed regarded as monsters by their relatives and friends who are in the know, but are unlikely to be the perp here (turn them in for what they are already doing, of course).

A young man in my county repeatedly ran women off the road, and either raped them or just injured them and their cars. He chose increasingly deserted and dangerous places to do this. He was out all night. He had a sibling and friends to whom he bragged (not with all the details, but enough). That's how he was caught. They knew he was a monster. This perp could be one of those - or he could be someone that would surprise nearly everyone.

I think the perp in this case will surprise his closest associates (whom he may have chosen in a certain way) but he is unlikely to be bragging about his criminal activity or recruiting criminal associates, if you know what I mean.

He's not that guy who approaches cars at the stoplight or yells frantic things at young women students or sexually assaults younger family members. IMO.

Think "doesn't torture and kill animals." HOWEVER, I will admit that I am following along with what LE has already said, in this regard. If I'm wrong (and this perp is your basic local sociopath) I still think he's very well hidden and that his family and friends/teachers will be shocked.
 
Guy in the flannel is in in his mid to late 30s from what I see, and clean cut, so likely not a witness or suspect (not in cuffs and they certainly wouldn't let a suspect carry a bag). Looks like Greg Maddux in his prime if any of you are old enough. Probably an agent of some sort, or the property manager.

My opinion.
I thought he looked much younger, maybe 20 to 25.
 
I've just come across a story from Massachusetts, where a young man is being sought in the murder of an elderly couple, who were "bludgeoned and stabbed to death" according to Plymouth County District Attorney Tim Cruz. I'm not in any way suggesting there is a tie-in to this case; but apparently a catalyst for this terrible crime had to do with a barking dog... just sharing because in all of the theorizing here, well, yes, someone might just "lose it" over something so seemingly trivial. MOO
 
How would he know where spy cameras are? By definition, they are hidden. Many people have them.

Anyway, if you are considering cameras, get at least one that doesn't really look much like a camera (no green light while filming), hide at least one, etc. Some are very small and would be very hard to find (inserted between books on a shelf, hidden in a photo frame, etc). Even better, have a system that uploads automatically to the Cloud so that the last image it captures is the face/body of the perp. I realize this isn't possible for everyone - but universities should, perhaps, consider it.
oh, sorry! I forget that every thought I have isn't automatically communicated to make my posts make sense. I think he had probably found a way into the house to 'visit' in his planning stage. easy enough while they were in class or work or even at night, apparently. they could have been placed and retrieved, although that's just a floating thought, I'd have to research it, but I think it could be done. I think that he was quite organized, and my theory is that the 'sloppy' remarks from le were to goad him to respond.
 
It's none of our business, and her parents/family are the source of the information. I am guessing LE has her complete work history - we don't need to know it or sleuth it, IMO.
Well we know that Xana and Maddie worked at the Mad Greek, so what is the problem with knowing where K worked? It could be important in relation to the stalker or anything. What a strange mindset to be trying to solve a crime but not want to understand the different individual victim's lives. Also, the same with E, did he have a job?
 
Well.

Some of my students know others who kill animals in the neighborhood (chickens, turkeys, goats) even though it is TOTALLY against the law where we live. Others have someone living in their home who is raping family members, but they are afraid to tell anyone - except in the most quiet of ways and certainly not directly to LE.

These people are indeed regarded as monsters by their relatives and friends who are in the know, but are unlikely to be the perp here (turn them in for what they are already doing, of course).

A young man in my county repeatedly ran women off the road, and either raped them or just injured them and their cars. He chose increasingly deserted and dangerous places to do this. He was out all night. He had a sibling and friends to whom he bragged (not with all the details, but enough). That's how he was caught. They knew he was a monster. This perp could be one of those - or he could be someone that would surprise nearly everyone.

I think the perp in this case will surprise his closest associates (whom he may have chosen in a certain way) but he is unlikely to be bragging about his criminal activity or recruiting criminal associates, if you know what I mean.

He's not that guy who approaches cars at the stoplight or yells frantic things at young women students or sexually assaults younger family members. IMO.

Think "doesn't torture and kill animals." HOWEVER, I will admit that I am following along with what LE has already said, in this regard. If I'm wrong (and this perp is your basic local sociopath) I still think he's very well hidden and that his family and friends/teachers will be shocked.

Thank you, that explanation is very helpful, and I agree with your assessment.

Also, I'm saddened by those stories of your community.
 
I've just come across a story from Massachusetts, where a young man is being sought in the murder of an elderly couple, who were "bludgeoned and stabbed to death" according to Plymouth County District Attorney Tim Cruz. I'm not in any way suggesting there is a tie-in to this case; but apparently a catalyst for this terrible crime had to do with a barking dog... just sharing because in all of the theorizing here, well, yes, someone might just "lose it" over something so seemingly trivial. MOO
Of course someone could lose it over something so trivial. however, in this case, there is no suspect, and it appears that the crime scene was quite tidy on the way in and out. If, as one expert suggested in an interview posted in these threads previously, there was no dna/fingerprint and the well-planned crime seems highly planned/organized, then it's less suggestive of just losing it. imo, in order to present a valid scenario, the totality of the circumstances/evidence must be considered. at this point, based on the totality, it does not appear to be a 'just losing it' scenario imo.

here is the link I mentioned above:
 
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21 to purchase from an FFL (federal law)...18 to purchase from an in-state private party (if your state allows it) Possession is up to state law. ID is also a constitutional carry state.
 
Has anyone explored anything about twins sharing identical dna? Does this occur with triplets too?
they weren't identical triplets. they were fraternal triplets. one is female. different dna.

 
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