ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 29

[Bobby_digi]

That gas station not Sunset Mart?
1311 S Main St, Moscow, ID 83843, United States

2 mins away from 1122 King Road

 

[lucidium]

Sorry had to skip ahead a few pages, but had a thought about the Hyundai…

All my own speculation, and I do think LE have worded the call out to this car to make it sound like they don’t think they’re involved in order to lure them out, however what if they are indeed only potential witnesses and the reason they haven’t come forward is because the reason for being parked someone at that time of night involved infidelity and coming forward would put that to their significant other? Just thinking out loud here, but they couldn’t been parked in the car park behind the house with direct sight into the house possibly unbeknownst to them. Or they did indeed witness something but the potential fall out for admitting where they were is too big for them personally. We keep thinking with each day the driver doesn’t come forward, the more suspicious it looks in terms of being directly linked to the case, but maybe not.

Just a random thought because I do think from what LE has said that they believe there was more than 1 person in that car and I’m trying to think of ‘innocent’ reasons someone might be parked and remaining in their car late at night and not come forward - if they were parked that is, I realise we don’t know and this is all my own personal speculation. I’m not 100% on board with this myself, but just trying to throw out other possibilities as I haven’t seen anyone bring this up as a possibly explanation to the car situation (I also couldn’t missed it I’ll admit).

I've not heard anything from MPD that suggests they believe more than one person was in the car. Their statements are worded as if they do not know how many occupants were in the car. That seems likely to me.

I think there's a decent probability that the perpetrator was in the car they are seeking. I also think there's a decent probability that he wasn't. Don't see much point in speculating beyond that personally.

 

[Eagle2123]

Agree, and I don’t think it was speeding TOWARDS the house as some are speculating, bc he wouldn’t want to draw unnecessary attention to himself. After the killings, he was likely totally pumped up on adrenaline and didn’t even realize.

Agree. And possibly perp was injured? Causing a higher rate of speed? Get home and get it taken care of?

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Agree, and I don’t think it was speeding TOWARDS the house as some are speculating, bc he wouldn’t want to draw unnecessary attention to himself. After the killings, he was likely totally pumped up on adrenaline and didn’t even realize.

Agreed. I think the killer went to the house around 3:15am (based on M&K making phone calls until shortly before 3am), committed the murders, and then left around 3:40am. Given the police have said the murders likely took place between 3 and 4am, the 3:45am sighting of the Elantra on the gas station camera most likely shows the perpetrator speeding away from the scene of crime (not going to the house). MOO.

 

[SadSadPanda]

Just now seeing the news about the gas station sighting. IMO the fact that the Elantra was seen driving by “real quick” at 3:45am removes any doubt in my mind about the driver being a suspect. If police find the car, they’ll find the killer. MOO.

I'm struggling with the whole "Elantra" part of this...based on the photos posted on Fox, the rear window where it slants up looks too far back, and the front end has too much overlap past the front wheel well to be an Elantra as stated. Just my two cents, but this car in the gas station video could be ANY white car going past at that time of the morning, there's nothing necessarily to tie it to any of this, and I'll admit to it could be a bad/motion picture, but it doesn't appear to be an Elantra to me. So either LE was possibly mistaken in looking for an Elantra, or this car is not the missing piece of this puzzle.

I also don't buy there being multiple killers. That involves too many people and too many mouths and too much wanting to "claim" it (possibly similar to a terror attack, if it was in fact argument-motivated) that it shouldn't take this long to put the pieces together. Unless there's several people out there currently sweating it out and waiting to be caught...the whole process doesn't make sense to me. Of course, all my opinion...

 

[SteveP]

I've been hearing this kind of talk since day 2 of the case and we're still basically nowhere.

Respectfully, WE have no idea where LE is in the investigation, as it should be. JMO

 

[citizen_sleuth]

Just to clarify, I don't believe the police have made any statement saying that the car in the footage is the Elantra they are looking for.

Police don’t have a license plate for the Elantra, so even they don’t know which exact car they’re looking for. Plus, how likely is that multiple white Elantras would be speeding through Moscow at 3:45am? IMO, not very likely.

 

[Auntie Cipation]

To be fair, I think people are putting too much emphasis on what the coroner said.The coroner has no idea because she is not a medical examiner. She's there to basically confirm whether the victims had pulse or not. She also said the victims were "likely" found asleep and "some" (implying more than one) had defensive wounds. Both Xana and Kaylee's father suggested that something went down on the second floor and it wasn't as "clean" for the killer as the upstairs murders.

I'd also add that the FOX news footage of the living room also holds significance. The cops were looking and stepping over something there that far exceeds a simple inspection of the house to me. They also took a DNA swab of the thing they were stepping over.

I don't know, I could be entirely wrong about all of this, but it seems to me that at least something went down in that living room.

Yes, I hold the opinion that people are taking the "asleep when attacked" too literally.

To me it only means they were asleep (or at least in bed) when the killer entered the house.

Whether anyone heard anything and got up to investigate, or fought back, or turned over from their sleeping position, etc, isn't know, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out just because of the "but they were asleep" assertion.

MOO

 

[BondGirl007]

So you're saying the video footage is of the car heading west on Troy Rd. and about to run left onto Styner?

I don't know the specific roads....but the vehicle turned off the road gas station is on and turned onto “side street” to quote the video.

 

[femto]

so if he's heading east on highway 8 and apparently turns into a mcdonalds or strip mall, why do you think he does that? Is it because he's so amped up he needs to get ahold of himself?

Probably because he wants to get out of the area as fast as possible as not to get spotted? The area around the house seems pretty lively even at 3:00 AM, so I would guess to reason he didn't want his car to be seen in the area when the murders happened.

 

[MassGuy]

Just now seeing the news about the gas station sighting. IMO the fact that the Elantra was seen driving by “real quick” at 3:45am removes any doubt in my mind about the driver being a suspect. If police find the car, they’ll find the killer. MOO.

Totally agree. The timing is absolutely perfect. The driver of that car is almost certainly the killer.

 

[Past Mortem]

I've not heard anything from MPD that suggests they believe more than one person was in the car. Their statements are worded as if they do not know how many occupants were in the car. That seems likely to me.

I think there's a decent probability that the perpetrator was in the car they are seeking. I also think there's a decent probability that he wasn't. Don't see much point in speculating beyond that personally.

Personally, I think it’s worth considering from a sleuthing point of view because everyone is so caught up with the car being the possible perp and pointing to the fact that they haven’t come forward makes them more guilty. I’m just offering food for thought in terms of another explanation as to why the person/s might have been in the area yet still not have come forward that maybe some haven’t considered.

Agree LE haven’t confirmed number of occupants but that goes to my point - it’s a possibility. Take it as you want.

 

[SadSadPanda]

These are the first two pics, both from Fox News ironically, that shup up if you Google search "idaho murders white car". They're two different cars. I think the gas station video is not related/coincidental evidence of a white car driving by at roughly the same time. That's it...

 

[lucidium]

Police don’t have a license plate for the Elantra, so even they don’t know which exact car they’re looking for. Plus, how likely is that multiple white Elantras would be speeding through Moscow at 3:45am? IMO, not very likely.

Whether the car in the video is an Elantra is disputed. I'm not going to weigh in on that from a photo of a single frame of video.

I'm also going to need more evidence that it was "speeding" driving "real quick." No offense to the person who made that claim - I'm sure they believe it - but they've only seen video. How easy/difficult is it to tell what speed a car is traveling at on surveillance video? She could very well be correct, but I've learned to be skeptical of initial claims.

* I've only seen the one Fox article posted earlier. If I've missed something please tell me.

 

[tokyorose]

white sedan

How many people are there in the PNW stabbing people with hunting knives and driving white sedans?

 

[PitkinGirl]

Whether the car in the video is an Elantra is disputed. I'm not going to weigh in on that from a photo of a single frame of video.

I'm also going to need more evidence that it was "speeding" driving "real quick." No offense to the person who made that claim - I'm sure they believe it - but they've only seen video. How easy/difficult is it to tell what speed a car is traveling at on surveillance video? She could very well be correct, but I've learned to be skeptical of initial claims.

* I've only seen the one Fox article posted earlier. If I've missed something please tell me.

Just for information, the speed limit in front of that station is 25 mph.

 

[samanthadaniels1995]

Some people have implied the Coroner would not have known about the bodies, but I believe the autopsy reports / analysis were delivered to her - and she signed off on their release (probably to LE).

So, she had full access.

MOO.

The coroner is a licensed MD and specialized forensics and other specialists may be involved but certainly they have additional legal qualifications to document the manner of the death. The forensic pathologist may perform the autopsy but both work together on cases and consult. The coroner are representatives with knowledge of the necessary documation for the public record but certainly, they are more than qualified to assess and document the circumstances as a collaboration with a team. The coroner is not a paper signer ignorant of their medical expertise.

 

[kittythehare]

This is speculation. MPD has never stated or implied that the car had no plates.

"Detectives are interested in speaking with the occupant(s) of a white 2011-2013 Hyundai Elantra, with an unknown license plate," the Moscow Police Department said Wednesday. Detectives believe the occupant or occupants may have "critical information to share" regarding the slayings, police said.

Police looking for Hyundai Elantra in connection with murdered Idaho college students

Police said "tips and leads" have indicated that the person or persons in the vehicle might have "critical information" about the slayings.

www.cbsnews.com

This is 6 days old, not new.

 

[VaBorn]

Probably because he wants to get out of the area as fast as possible as not to get spotted? The area around the house seems pretty lively even at 3:00 AM, so I would guess to reason he didn't want his car to be seen in the area when the murders happened.

Perhaps he’s familiar w the strip mall, whether it has cameras/security. Place to change clothes, clean up, dump items in commercial trash bin? Just throwing out possibilities.

 

[BondGirl007]

Just for information, the speed limit in front of that station is 25 mph.

she watched hours of footage so she would be able to compare to normal rate of speed.