ID - 4 University of Idaho Students Murdered - Moscow # 34

[flowershop]

Is that someone’s photo through a rear view mirror ? Looks like a face and a finger

I brought this up earlier and it is understood by many to be a cell phone taking a picture.

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[Diogenetic]

64.5% of students are from Idaho. source: https://www.uidaho.edu/-/media/UIda...hash=544E6B014CB935A9FCDC4DB5E7F8485827C1799D

Yes but Idaho is a big place. And a lot of the kids who lived-in Idaho would be traveling on vacation. they could go to school in Moscow, live outside of Boise, and be in Florida or Cabo for winter break. My point is that this is a lot of legwork and exculpating all potential visitors to that house could take a long time .

 

[Trouble1321075]

Agreed.

MOO-

It’s just so hard to tell if the addition of the added agents to the case is due to the giant influx of tips coming in, apparently 250% higher than weeks before.

Or if the addition could be due to added urgency to find the perpetrator due to new evidence discovered.

I am hopeful no matter the cause for the increase in agents, LE is hopefully onto something and will soon have what they need to make an arrest.

Moo

I think adding fresh eyes is always a good thing.

 

[Soulmagent]

Is that someone’s photo through a rear view mirror ? Looks like a face and a finger holding the mirror.

I thought i saw a face ,then I thought a saw another body part. Its a weird picture and hits me funny I even thought I saw a mask type of thing on the face . I had to stop looking at it.

 

[Diogenetic]

Former FBI Special Agent interviewed on Fox last night said that FBI field offices across the country and local Law enforcement across the country will conduct interviews with students who have left town for the winter break, if needed or requested by Moscow Police Department.

Link provided earlier by OP is -

I saw that and it is great info. Of course many times an attorney will tell you to not speak to FBI and hold off to speak to local law endowment. You have to keep in mind a misstatement to local law enforcement is much harder to establish as a crime, whereas misstatements to FBI are legally much higher legal/criminals jeopardy. If I were asked to speak to the FBI about for example an alibi of someone else, it is entirely possible my attorney might advise me to say I will speak to local law enforcement when I get back to Moscow. You cant be compelled to speak to the FBI, but if you screw up somehow the jeopardy is much worse than state or local authorities.

My point in the main though is that half these students, maybe 2/3 are probably out of town and this creates complexity and manpower issues

 

[EBW321]

MOO-

The one constant in this investigation is the police reiterate over and over they believe the house or one of the four victims was TARGETED.

The word targeted to me would reflect the attacks are premeditated / planned.

Which is why I’ve just been struggling with the idea of the white Elantra.

I just find it hard to believe anyone who planned to brutally murder 4 people and manage to get in and out with no witnesses (the public knows about)… would park the car in front or on the side or anywhere near the house. DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.

Again.. MOO

It doesn’t add up. For the life of me I couldn’t make sense of it.

Until… I thought about this…

We know LE requested surveillance from all local homes / buildings facing the girls house.

We know the car is of great importance because LE says it was seen in the immediate area.

What if they don’t have footage of the car outside the house that night… just near it.

Maybe all they have from THAT NIGHT is corroborating footage of the car in the immediate area on the other main roads near the house.

It’s much more likely the car was seen / discovered prior to the gas station footage release… on the neighbors cameras in the weeks and days prior ….. driving by or parked near the home… days they weren’t committing a horrific crime….on the days they were still contemplating it or planning it.

Just throwing out ideas.

 

[al66pine]

Wet Suits. Peeling Off & Agility?

And, wet suits not exactly the best when agility is needed, methinks.

@fridaybaker
Well, I'm not so sure about that. Remember Bond, James Bond? j/k [wink]

A search for images:
goldfinger movie bond removes wetsuit reveals tuxedo image

FWIW: MythBusters confirmed the myth that a scuba diver can wear a tuxedo underneath his drysuit, go underwater, resurface, strip off his scuba gear, and be able to present the tuxedo at a yacht party in the harbour as in James Bond Goldfinger.

 

[mayhem911]

Here it is guys at about the 1:47 mark you can see police responding over labor day weekend to the house because of a noise complaint. 2 guys answer the door and say that they don't know who lives there. Police eventually figure it out and contact Madison. LE has way more videotape on this case then they are choosing to release to us. Be patient they say they are getting to the bottom of it.

 

[EBW321]

Moo

I think adding fresh eyes is always a good thing.

You are 100% right about that!

 

[Diogenetic]

s the jump in numbers of agents overnight was large… but if local LE requested more help or agents there requested more help to sort through evidence, tips.. etc.

Just a minor point, my sister in law is career DOJ. FBI has about 35,000 employees and less than 8,000 are agents. The rest are support staff or specialists of one kind or another (sister in law is not an agent, but an accountant of which there are a lot in FBI). We can be pretty sure the first tier of staff manning the tip line are not agents. and may of the hyper specialty specialists are not agents either. So the jump in numbers may well mostly not be agents, and some may be full time on the case and some not

 

[BondGirl007]

Moo-
I agree , it’s definitely a good thing to have as many FBI agents on the case as possible.. but an additional 20 is a lot.

MOO- is it possible they added this many more FBI to the case because they received information or discovered evidence that may link whoever is responsible of this crime to another crime? I just find it very odd they went from 42 agents to 62 agents over night due to the number of tips they need to go through.

MOO- Especially for an agency that usually works very little on adult homicide cases. (FBI

I haven’t worked out other reasons they’d add more FBI yet… I need to read more on general FBI homicide assistance protocols… but something is telling me… they didn’t assign 20 more agents overnight due to an increase in the number of tips coming in that need to be sorted through.

This was the first thing I found on when FBI assists local PD on homicide investigations… I found it interesting.

When Does the FBI Investigate Murder? - Jerri Williams

The FBI has no authority to interfere in a local murder case. However, there are circumstances where murder is a violation of federal law.

jerriwilliams.com

Moo-

I agree , it’s definitely a good thing to have as many FBI agents on the case as possible.. but an additional 20 is a lot.



MOO- is it possible they added this many more FBI to the case because they received information or discovered evidence that may link whoever is responsible of this crime to another crime? I just find it very odd they went from 42 agents to 62 agents over night due to the number of tips they need to go through.



MOO- Especially for an agency that usually works very little on adult homicide cases. (FBI does a lot of different work, majority of which is not murder investigations).



I haven’t worked out other reasons they’d add that many

When Does the FBI Investigate Murder? - Jerri Williams

The FBI has no authority to interfere in a local murder case. However, there are circumstances where murder is a violation of federal law.

jerriwilliams.com

So according to this article these are potential reasons in MOO that FBI is so heavily involved:

• A local or state police department requests that the FBI file for an Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution (UFAP) warrant to allow the Bureau to enter a local homicide case. The Bureau’s task is the apprehension of the interstate fugitive, not the investigation of the actual murder.
• The murders involve violent crimes against interstate travelers, such as serial killings.
• The purpose of the murder was to promote a criminal enterprise, such as in organized crime and drug trafficking.

Any others seem plausible ?

 

[WildWest]

Is that someone’s photo through a rear view mirror ? Looks like a face and a finger holding the mirror.

It's the gas station clerk taking a picture of the computer screen she was going through the stations surveirlance cameras computer on.

 

[EBW321]

Just a minor point, my sister in law is career DOJ. FBI has about 35,000 employees and less than 8,000 are agents. The rest are support staff or specialists of one kind or another (sister in law is not an agent, but an accountant of which there are a lot in FBI). We can be pretty sure the first tier of staff manning the tip line are not agents. and may of the hyper specialty specialists are not agents either. So the jump in numbers may well mostly not be agents, and some may be full time on the case and some not

you are probably right. It doesn’t specify “agents” just says FBI. Besides the 2 BAU which are specified.

You are most likely correct in saying the vast majority could be tech/forensic specialists/support analysts with only a handful of actual agents mixed in, if that.

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Here it is guys at about the 1:47 mark you can see police responding over labor day weekend to the house because of a noise complaint. 2 guys answer the door and say that they don't know who lives there. Police eventually figure it out and contact Madison. LE has way more videotape on this case then they are choosing to release to us. Be patient they say they are getting to the bottom of it.

Idaho murder victim's dad breaks silence on man in chilling new security footage

THE father of one of the Idaho murder victims has claimed a man who was heard in mysterious surveillance footage is not a suspect. Haunting video showed two university students walking in downtown …

www.the-sun.com

K's father says the person who is discussed in a conversation reportedly recorded between K & M that evening is not a suspect

 

[Diogenetic]

So according to this article these are potential reasons in MOO that FBI is so heavily involved:

• A local or state police department requests that the FBI file for an Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution (UFAP) warrant to allow the Bureau to enter a local homicide case. The Bureau’s task is the apprehension of the interstate fugitive, not the investigation of the actual murder.
• The murders involve violent crimes against interstate travelers, such as serial killings.
• The purpose of the murder was to promote a criminal enterprise, such as in organized crime and drug trafficking.

Any others seem plausible ?

How about the local department knew they needed hep and just used one of the above pro forma filing reasons to get it? It doesn't have to actually be one of those reasons for the local department to use them to satisfy the legal requirement to have feds come in and help. Some departments do not want help, but there is every reason to believe that these locals and the states wanted specialized help; and to get it would have had to assert the possibility if one of those reasons to get the FBI in there legally.

 

[BondGirl007]

My COO is 46 years old. He partied at that house. His son partied at that house up until last year. His son was good friends with the victims. I’ve seen him in some of the pictures posted on line. Sad, sad situation!

What is COO?

 

[EBW321]

So according to this article these are potential reasons in MOO that FBI is so heavily involved:

• A local or state police department requests that the FBI file for an Unlawful Flight to Avoid Prosecution (UFAP) warrant to allow the Bureau to enter a local homicide case. The Bureau’s task is the apprehension of the interstate fugitive, not the investigation of the actual murder.
• The murders involve violent crimes against interstate travelers, such as serial killings.
• The purpose of the murder was to promote a criminal enterprise, such as in organized crime and drug trafficking.

Any others seem plausible ?

MOO-

The one that seemed the most plausible was possibility of a serial killer…

However since posting this I will say I have been told that if local PD or agents already on the case have extensive evidence to go through / footage to watch etc. it’s not uncommon to send more agents down if requested.

Someone else mentioned they would also be used to track down students throughout the state who didn’t come back after thanksgiving break to get their official statements.

So I’m going to hold off on any serial killer possibilities for tonight.

At first it sounded like it was leaning in that direction until I discovered it was not unusual for this case to need more agents given the circumstances.

 

[BondGirl007]

How about the local department knew they needed hep and just used one of the above pro forma filing reasons to get it? It doesn't have to actually be one of those reasons for the local department to use them to satisfy the legal requirement to have feds come in and help. Some departments do not want help, but there is every reason to believe that these locals and the states wanted specialized help; and to get it would have had to assert the possibility if one of those reasons to get the FBI in there legally.

I think in most cases they would ask State for help. Surprised they are getting so many resources....not that the murder of four students isn't terrible but sadly groups of 3 or 4 people are murdered all the time in America.

 

[al66pine]

64.5% of students are from Idaho. source: https://www.uidaho.edu/-/media/UIda...hash=544E6B014CB935A9FCDC4DB5E7F8485827C1799D

@Wallendo Thx for your post w this info. Interesting that the in-state student % is so high.
But that does not necessarily translate to easy & convenient for LE to arrange interviews and travel to students who are not in the Moscow area (at least til classes resume). It's a big state.

One thing in LE's favor for those interviews, a lot of the state's population is concentrated in cities along interstate hiways in southern ID.
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File:Idaho population map.png - Wikimedia Commons

FWIW: "With an area of 83,570 square miles (216,400 km2), Idaho is the 14th largest state by land area, but with a population of approximately 1.8 million, it ranks as the 13th least populous and the 7th least densely populated of the 50 U.S. states."

Idaho - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fridaybaker]

Idaho murder victim's dad breaks silence on man in chilling new security footage

THE father of one of the Idaho murder victims has claimed a man who was heard in mysterious surveillance footage is not a suspect. Haunting video showed two university students walking in downtown …

www.the-sun.com

K's father says the person who is discussed in a conversation reportedly recorded between K & M that evening is not a suspect

I see this a lot here. However, what SG says about who is and who isn’t a suspect is irrelevant-it’s what LE says that matters, which is what they keep reiterating -to stick to information given by them.

The key issue, to me, is whether or not the mention of Adam has anything to do with the murders. Many think it doesn’t, but I don’t know how anyone would know that. I think it’s entirely possible that it doesn’t, and entirely possible that it does.

I guess if one already has formed an opinion between two options, one being a stranger killer and one being a known killer, you could place this “Adam mention” into one of those theories. I’m keeping an open mind, though, especially as pieces of information about that night and events and people related to the victims continue to become known.

I think it’s certainly possible that telling Adam -whoever he is, and we don’t even know that for sure- “everything” might have put someone on the spot. Might have triggered someone who was already frustrated, angry, jealous….